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As much as fetish inserts are repulsive in any RPG, including tabletop (dear god, some people should be eternally forbidden from being a DM), Larian got what they wanted in the end.

A metric fuckton of attention.
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Catac1ysm: Some content should not be present in everyday life in any form! What is the difference between zoophilia and pedophilia? Damn, you really don’t understand that these are mental disorders and this needs to be treated, and not shown in games?
In Larian's defense, this bear is wild-shaped and consenting. At least if a zoophile were to seduce a wild bear, they'd get exactly what they deserve.

Still, first impressions should be made smartly and kinky animal sex isn't that.
There is actually a chance for the wild-shaped druid to fail a concentration check and fly into a frenzy during the "tussle", plays out something like this.
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Breja: Huh?
Check the character creator ;)

I presume it's the 'they/them' crowd since that bunch is only one currently the rage in social media.
I assume that as well, at least when it comes to the Larian Forums and spreaking out against any of this
madness. *shrugs*

As i wrote, i totally dig the freedom they gave the player in customzing the character
even more so i totally support the lewd shenanigans you can go after in the game
otherwise i wouldn t call myself General Lewd Ghosty from time to time.

I DO draw the line though, when language is changed, to support delusions and denial tendencies
regarding the physical truth we re ALL bound too. Let alone being overly soft, when using the right language is critical.

*shrugs* the sad part on this, is that any compromise is shut down so swiftly by Larians forums.
So now i just cross my fingers Larian would not find themself in the same trap as the devs of Ion Fury
or as JKR and all the others that did pander to the insane social media crowd, at some point this will gonna get really ugly.

Even though i ll not support Larian with my money anymore, because of their decision to use social media speak
in Baldurs Gate 3.

A metric fuckton of attention.
Fair point, but attentions and "talk" on social media doesn t translate into sold copys 1 to 1
on the contrary i do claim. Why? Look at comics, movie industry, the movies had a LOT of attention too
in the last few years, turns out certain stuff doesn t "sell" aye? Same goes for games.
Post edited July 10, 2023 by GHOSTMD
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rtcvb32: Well we know with Cyberpunk 2077 it has a long history of the last 5 games it had in the series of being kid friendly before suddenly coming out being Rated M....

Oh wait, no it didn't.
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eric5h5: Good job entirely ignoring context and making a straw-man argument. The claim was that BG 3 cannot have visible genitals at all, otherwise it can't be sold in stores. Which is objectively false as I demonstrated. Don't bother with goal-post-moving shenanigans, they don't work. (And what's with "kid friendly"; Baldur's Gate was never that and was rated T. Kid-friendly is E or maybe E 10+.)
That's not what i got out of it. The impression i got, was that Cyberpunk 2077 and BG3 have the same basic rating as such anyone complaining were hypocrites. But that's not what i was going at. I was going after expectations for said titles/series/companies.

D&D and the series has to this point been available to basically everyone. That is until now. Glancing at ESRB and whatnot, it's Teen; And personally it should likely stay there; Much like movies that mostly were PG-13 for the longest time because it had the highest chance of return because it had the largest audience.

Going back to what i mentioned with Monopoly, you don't expect the board game to suddenly contain dildos, and having to explain things or starting to go through everything isn't what we want. And we know just because something is rated sometimes you'll ignore the rating because you have expectations of the title(s) and companies. (Much like i had the expectation that anything 'Disney' was family friendly and safe for kids. But no more it seems)

I suppose in a perfect world everything would be noticed, everything would be properly rated, and everyone would follow the rules.
Post edited July 10, 2023 by rtcvb32
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Breja: Why do I feel like you wouldn't be asking the same if the thread was about how super exicted the OP is about the bear-lectric boogaloo.
That could be a fair point if the argument wasn't a balance fallacy (false equivalence), as my point wasn't only about assuming an idea of the whole from one of its parts, but also about taking things out of context for the sake of a given discourse (I'll mention again that the sex scene seems to be taken as silly and ridiculous by the panel), and raising an outcry about the horrors of altering D&D and about pandering and also about the overall game's quality, in a reductionist fashion.

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Breja: That's what promotional material is for - for people to judge whether they want to buy the game. If we're to assume our impressions irrelevant untill proven by first hand experience with the game, what's the point of all these streams, trailers and stuff?
Nobody is questioning building your own opinions based of promotional materials, the issue might be cherrypicking one or a few of elements with a clear intent of miss-representation and of giving them more weight than they probably have for no apparent reason than to incite a flame war at best, or than to attempt to shape a creative output in the name of an illusive universal righteousness, an absurd idea of political and moral neutrality (because otherwise it's blatant pandering), and the premise of immutable art, at worst (or vice versa).
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LegoDnD: In Larian's defense, this bear is wild-shaped and consenting. At least if a zoophile were to seduce a wild bear, they'd get exactly what they deserve.
We are talking about mental disorders and deviant behavior. This is not the norm in any way. The presence of such content in games is a corruption of society. Some people get turned on by eating poop, but this is no reason to talk about the sexual preferences of such people and add it to the games. It's a disease.
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Catac1ysm: We are talking about mental disorders and deviant behavior. This is not the norm in any way. The presence of such content in games is a corruption of society. Some people get turned on by eating poop, but this is no reason to talk about the sexual preferences of such people and add it to the games. It's a disease.
Well, you call it mental deviancy, the BBC* calls it the Harkness Test: If it is of age, of intelligence, and can consent, who are we to question the matter of it? Not to mention "I roll to seduce the dragon" has transcended being a joke of D&D zines into the pop culture since at least the 2000s. (Shrek)


*See also Paramount/CBS (Trek) and most science fiction writers, some more troubled than others. Piers Anthony.
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Darvond: Well, you call it mental deviancy, the BBC* calls it the Harkness Test
Watch less TV, think more.
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pds41: It's very simple.

You can't legally play the game without buying it. Not everyone has a spare £50 to spaff on a game just to confirm our valid opinions formed from reading and understanding the pre-release materials.

If those pre-release materials don't reflect the game that is released, then that's a developer/publisher problem, not an us problem.
That's odd, what's this thing starts with D, ends with Emo? (Also lacking for that, thousands of video previews?)
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Catac1ysm: Watch less TV, think more.
A) Torchwood was back in 2006, back when Television still had something resembling appeal/value.

B) I rarely watch a modicum of older shows anyway. Lupin III, Gundam 79, Antiques Roadshow. Deviancy doesn't all just come from television, it can also come from consuming too much monosodium glutamate. Although Japanese Boxes can do it just the same given enough time.

Oh, and I guess we'll just have to get rid of all that filthy spirit guide/animal folklore and whitewash all the ancient stories of witching familiars too, along with native people's totems. Oh, we'll definitely have to get rid of the ancient Egyptian pantheon, Greek mythology, and the Sumerian records too. Oops, and the Vedas too.

And that's not even delving into attractions to rocks, robots, or plants.

Enjoying your slippery slope fallacy yet? All those things I mentioned had some kind of depiction of an animal person or animal headed person, sometimes full on transformations. After all, what is a werewolf, but a humanoid wolf? That kind of story had to come from somewhere too.
Post edited July 10, 2023 by Darvond
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Catac1ysm: Watch less TV, think more.
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Darvond: A) Torchwood was back in 2006, back when Television still had something resembling appeal/value.

B) I rarely watch a modicum of older shows anyway. Lupin III, Gundam 79, Antiques Roadshow. Deviancy doesn't all just come from television, it can also come from consuming too much monosodium glutamate. Although Japanese Boxes can do it just the same given enough time.

Oh, and I guess we'll just have to get rid of all that filthy spirit guide/animal folklore and whitewash all the ancient stories of witching familiars too, along with native people's totems. Oh, we'll definitely have to get rid of the ancient Egyptian pantheon, Greek mythology, and the Sumerian records too. Oops, and the Vedas too.

And that's not even delving into attractions to rocks, robots, or plants.

Enjoying your slippery slope fallacy yet? All those things I mentioned had some kind of depiction of an animal person or animal headed person, sometimes full on transformations. After all, what is a werewolf, but a humanoid wolf? That kind of story had to come from somewhere too.
What kind of nonsense are you talking about? How is the werewolf related to human-animal sex?
Why do you personally defend these deviations? You don't like women, but prefer animals? I'm sorry, but you're in trouble.
Edit: sorry, nevermind.
Post edited July 10, 2023 by Breja
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Breja: Huh?
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GHOSTMD: Check the character creator ;)
Which, to be fair, virtually all of the people playing will never see or be aware of in the first place, because they leave it on Male or switch the selection one position to Female, and carry on.
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pds41: It's very simple.

You can't legally play the game without buying it. Not everyone has a spare £50 to spaff on a game just to confirm our valid opinions formed from reading and understanding the pre-release materials.

If those pre-release materials don't reflect the game that is released, then that's a developer/publisher problem, not an us problem.
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Darvond: That's odd, what's this thing starts with D, ends with Emo? (Also lacking for that, thousands of video previews?)
Context is important when replying to posts. We are talking about Baldur's Gate III. If you can point me in the direction of a playable demo of Baldur's Gate III which includes the content that this thread is about so I can validate my decision to not purchase the game, then great. However, my understanding is that there is no playable demo.

You will also have read that I said "Reading and understanding the pre-release materials". The "understanding" part includes videos, which you don't typically read. This allows me to make a decision without paying for the game.
Post edited July 10, 2023 by pds41