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Posted August 19, 2023
Watching people play on twitch. Not sure its going to be that good but I really need to get back into my 2nd playthrough. 1st playthrough I used a ranger, and it took from 2002 to 2012 to finish it.

Need to speed run it so that I can export a character to BG2 finally.
Posted August 19, 2023
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timppu: Yeah but Valve/Steam doesn't support it as a DRM-free product, in case you have problems running it e.g. without the client. That is the biggie for me.

In addition to that, it is of course nice to have offline installers and being able to download with a mere web browser, or gogrepoc.py.
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paladin181: My point was to simply make it known if it wasn't. The Steam version is DRM-Free, too. It also supports cloud saves without signing up for a 3rd party account, which GOG does not, and has Steam workshop access (for the mods that are there and no where else). In this case, the Steam product is definitively superior to GOG.
Still the arguably inferior version with all these platform-specific dependencies in regards to even the simplest things such as downloading, installing and patching/updating which all has to be done through a client.

If you care about actually owning a digital platform-agnostic copy of Baldur's Gate 3 that can be downloaded, installed and patched/updated without a client, GOG obviously still has the edge over other versions by providing offline installer packages.
Posted August 19, 2023
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LesTyebe: . . to break my fundamental game purchasing ruleset.

1. Never pay full price.
2. Never buy anywhere near launch.
3. Never buy anything at or near maximum radius of it's positive or negative hype bubble.
I dont really get that last rule, but the first two usually make sense, especially if its clear you wont play this game too often anyway.

But I watched multiple Youtubers playing BG3 (not the complete game of course) and I decided I liked what I see well enough to purchase it now and not later.

Of course ironically if I had bought the game immediately I could already play it. Right now the downloads are inoperable though.

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csanjuro: the only game I paid full price was Fallout: New Vegas

but it's was worth it every penny
Cool. Thats subjective though. Personally, I have no interest in playing Fallout. The whole setting repels me.

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kai2: PS -- I find the "outcry" against BG3 from a number of developers to make me want to play it -- and support Larian -- even more.
Yeah that one was the weirdest thing ever. They might as well have waved flags "hey for your information we are a-holes".

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Breja: 1. The price is ridiculously high for me. It's more than I ever paid for a game, even a physical edition on release.
... wha ? The price is completely normal for a new release game.

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Zimerius: it is a challenge not to give in to a hype of this magnitude :p
Not for me.

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paladin181: The Steam version is DRM-Free, too. It also supports cloud saves
Yeez it supports me storing private data on the internet ? Yeah thats totally a thing I want to do. Never ever.
Posted August 19, 2023
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kai2: PS -- I find the "outcry" against BG3 from a number of developers to make me want to play it -- and support Larian -- even more.
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Geromino: Yeah that one was the weirdest thing ever. They might as well have waved flags "hey for your information we are a-holes".
Because the whole "outcry" was an obvious hoax. No one in sane mind will deliberately damage their own reputation, unless someone has something to gain from this.
Posted August 19, 2023
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Breja: 1. The price is ridiculously high for me. It's more than I ever paid for a game, even a physical edition on release.
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Geromino: ... wha ? The price is completely normal for a new release game.
For a PC game? Hardly.

Edit: Ok, maybe it is now for really big games, (it's been a long time since I bought anything big on release), after all inflation is a bitch. Still, it's more than I ever paid, and given what and how many games I can buy way cheaper, it's still a crazy price for me.
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Posted August 19, 2023
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timppu: The odd thing is that earlier I somehow completely mixed BG3 in my mind to the BG1 Enhanced Edition DLC "Siege of Dragonspear" which by the reviews is pretty sloppily made and tries to push the woke ideology, so I've decided to give it a hard pass.
Have played neither Siege of Dragonspear nor Baldur's Gate 3, but from what I've read I'd say BG3 is more "woke", or at least vastly more sexualised, since ALL of your companions seem to be hitting on your character, and they're all bisexual (or pansexual?).
Might still eventually buy it (but not at the current price), because the coop might be interesting, but really find this focus on sex and romancing your companions misguided. I didn't mind the romances in Baldur's Gate 2, but in hindsight it started a negative trend.
Posted August 19, 2023
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Geromino: Yeah that one was the weirdest thing ever. They might as well have waved flags "hey for your information we are a-holes".
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AWG43: Because the whole "outcry" was an obvious hoax. No one in sane mind will deliberately damage their own reputation, unless someone has something to gain from this.
Well, I don't believe it was a hoax.

I believe most developers are firmly locked in the current corporate paradigm that encourages poorly-made, cookie-cutter, half-finished output... at full price (or higher). And many of these developers have been convinced -- due to their own hubris and "corporate shackles" (or corporate threats) -- that this corporate paradigm is reality. BG3 hurt their egos... and they must attack it as an outlier.

Will Larian continue on this path? CDPR seemed that it was taking this journey... but then it didn't. I guess we'll see...?
Posted August 19, 2023
Bioware also was once like this.

Then they decided they wanted to do a story heavy MMORPG ...
Posted August 19, 2023
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Geromino: Then they decided they wanted to do a story heavy MMORPG ...
While only the people at the higher levels within Bioware itself really know, It seems more likely that the downfall of Bioware was more the result of gettting EA'd than making the Star Wars MMORPG because the old Bioware still produced both The Dragon Age and Mass Effect series within the same time frame as that MMORPG. It was not until after EA purchased Bioware that things like the rushed DAO 2, the departure of the founders and other things (beginning with the letter "A") best left unnamed occured.
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Posted August 20, 2023
Bioware was sold to EA because they wanted to create Star Wars: The Old Repulic and didnt have the necessary finances.

Unfortunately it turned out it was a pact with the devil.

Even Dragon Age: Origins got damaged a lot by the deal already, since EA demanded a console version, demanded multiplayer cut, etc. The worst was that they cut content from the game and made it "freely downloadable DLC" so they could get your personal information.
Posted August 20, 2023
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timppu: Yeah but Valve/Steam doesn't support it as a DRM-free product, in case you have problems running it e.g. without the client. That is the biggie for me.

In addition to that, it is of course nice to have offline installers and being able to download with a mere web browser, or gogrepoc.py.
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paladin181: My point was to simply make it known if it wasn't. The Steam version is DRM-Free, too. It also supports cloud saves without signing up for a 3rd party account, which GOG does not, and has Steam workshop access (for the mods that are there and no where else). In this case, the Steam product is definitively superior to GOG.
GoG version of Baldur's Gate 3 also does not require a third party account, I don't have a Larian account and I simply skipped the signup process. I could play co-op without a Larian account as well. At this time my cloud saves are working via GoG Galaxy, but it's not a feature I neccesarily use. As far as I know the products are identical on both Steam and GoG.
Posted August 20, 2023
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Lethalvriend: GoG version of Baldur's Gate 3 also does not require a third party account, I don't have a Larian account and I simply skipped the signup process. I could play co-op without a Larian account as well. At this time my cloud saves are working via GoG Galaxy, but it's not a feature I neccesarily use. As far as I know the products are identical on both Steam and GoG.
GOG does not support cloud saves apparently. If yours are working, I'd love to know how, because the option is grayed out on my Galaxy panel. At this time, I have been informed that beause Larian is supporting "Cross Saves" (whastever the Hell that means) that GOG will not implement Galaxy cloud saves. Since I've no intrerest in signing up for yet another account that serves no practical purpose beyond datamining, I can say that not buying a game that ddoesn't support cloud saves is a good choice. As this is a feature I'm leaning heavily on in my current gaming environment, it is essential to me that cloud saves work on games.
Posted August 21, 2023
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Mafwek: Dying Earth?
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WinterSnowfall: Indeed. Well, actually read the entire "Tales of the Dying Earth" omnibus.

The gist behind it is that wizards prepare for various situations by meticulously memorizing the right set of spells, as in there's some amount of planning to identify your challenges and the tools you'll need for a job.

That makes a lot of sense for pen & paper D&D, but in an RPG perhaps less so, as it means you can only cast a spell once. That leads to a number of things like tons of variations of what is essentially a healing spell.

As I said before, not really a fan of the ruleset in computer games, and whenever I play anything D&D I will, at most, go for a paladin, but never a full spell-caster because of the above. I tried a druid once in NWN2 and it wasn't fun at all.

Edit: Apparently the 5th edition D&D is more lenient in some aspects of spell-casting with a "relaxed Vancian" system. I may give BG3 a go at some point, see if it's any better then.
Well, since I played a crapton of BG2, NWN 2 and Pathfinder Kingmaker, mostly as spellcaster, I don't quite share your aversion to vancian magic:D I never touched it in Ordinator though, so it's not that I am based towards it.
Posted August 21, 2023
and the worse part,

everyone is acting like this is the best release of the century,

mediocre reviews,

That is what we as 'gamers', either self-proclaimed or by aptitude, grew accustomed too.... mediocrity.

but... i'm a mediocre guy

who needs the best if his life can only be described as average....

by someone with a good heart.

No, it is better to let this one go

right?!
Posted August 21, 2023
Nobody is forcing you to play it if you dont want to.
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