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Posted August 14, 2023
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timppu: motive?
This is a good question, and I only know my own motives, but one propaganda technique is a presentation of "Watch out for those trying to use media to gain political influence" while attempting to use media to gain political influence.

To phrase it differently, "Watch out for their indoctrination, have some of mine instead".
Posted August 14, 2023
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timppu: ... and even have gall to offer it DRM-free on GOG.com.
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paladin181: And on Steam
Yeah but Valve/Steam doesn't support it as a DRM-free product, in case you have problems running it e.g. without the client. That is the biggie for me.

In addition to that, it is of course nice to have offline installers and being able to download with a mere web browser, or gogrepoc.py.
Posted August 14, 2023
If you want it, get it. If you want to break your own rules, go for it. They sound like good rules but nobody is judging you :)

The "We have X at home" meme is fairly accurate for modern video games though. How many truly innovative games are released every year? Very few. And usually it's not your mother saying it, it's your subconscious trying to get past your suppressed memory of buying a game to play later and never getting round to it!
Post edited August 14, 2023 by lupineshadow
Posted August 14, 2023
Ok
Post edited August 14, 2023 by cross3yed0ni
Posted August 16, 2023
Even more than Larian's game, I'm intrigued by the game developers -- some well-known names -- "attacking" BG3 for creating standards that cannot easily be reached in the current "development space."

It's crazy that some longtime developers are arguing for lowered standards, smaller games, and -- in a round-about way -- incomplete experiences.

If Larian has become the current figurehead for a large, completed game released with player input and without microtransactions, I'll support that (even if I personally think they fumbled the last days of pre-release with an emphasis on sex).

For that alone I'll vow to purchase BG3... but again... when the price fits my budget. And with the current state of the economy, that might take awhile. For now I'm taking a trip into either Bard's Tale IV or Avernum. ;)
Posted August 16, 2023
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kai2: If Larian has become the current figurehead for a large, completed game released with player input and without microtransactions
I don't think there's any question they are that now. It was CDPR, but they fumbled, hopefully they recover. But many games are designed with profit in mind 1st and the game's design is only in service of that.

BG3 was clearly made with the game's design in mind 1st, and then from that making a profit.

It's also amazing they did it with only 400 people. Diablo 4 credited like 9000 people.
Post edited August 16, 2023 by EverNightX
Posted August 16, 2023
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lupineshadow: your mother
Uhh. . . no, your mother.

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lupineshadow: subconscious trying to get past your suppressed memory of buying a game to play later and never getting round to it
It's not subconcious. I am quite aware that I already own more games (2000+ across all platforms?) than can be reasonably played. I keep buying because I find the idea of practically endless options comforting.
Posted August 18, 2023
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LesTyebe:
After playing a bit more, I'd advise you to wait for a full patch before you buy the game (hotfix don't count). Or maybe to wait for a small discount, whichever is the first.
Posted August 18, 2023
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LesTyebe: . . to break my fundamental game purchasing ruleset.

1. Never pay full price.
2. Never buy anywhere near launch.
3. Never buy anything at or near maximum radius of it's positive or negative hype bubble.
Seems reasonable.

I'd add

4) Never pay over $20 for any game
5) Preferably a year (or two) after release, when bugs are patched and DLC is included in GOTY or GOLD edition

If you're still on the fence just remember...

You can fuck bears...
Posted August 18, 2023
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kai2: Having watched enough on the release to both quell my fears and solidify that this is indeed a "buy," I'm still waiting awhile because I just have too many games in my backlog (a number of my wishlist entries discounted at a fraction of BG3's price) and few extra dollars that I feel comfortable spending on games ATM. But I'll certainly pick BG3 up in time.

PS -- I find the "outcry" against BG3 from a number of developers to make me want to play it -- and support Larian -- even more.
Having read story points, I can safely say this is never touch from me. But I'm also happy it has garnered so much success from players and outcry from developers.
Posted August 19, 2023
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Cadaver747: After playing a bit more, I'd advise you to wait for a full patch wait
It seems that my speculation in original post about less need for patching due to 3 years of early release was not accurate.

Probably a good time to get into the Pillars of Eternity and /or Pathfinder series. Or Divinity. Or Tyranny.
Posted August 19, 2023
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WinterSnowfall: I've read the novella that inspired it all...
Dying Earth?
Posted August 19, 2023
lol!

it is a challenge not to give in to a hype of this magnitude :p

We shall persevere!!

Or at least play pathfinder
Posted August 19, 2023
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Mafwek: Dying Earth?
Indeed. Well, actually read the entire "Tales of the Dying Earth" omnibus.

The gist behind it is that wizards prepare for various situations by meticulously memorizing the right set of spells, as in there's some amount of planning to identify your challenges and the tools you'll need for a job.

That makes a lot of sense for pen & paper D&D, but in an RPG perhaps less so, as it means you can only cast a spell once. That leads to a number of things like tons of variations of what is essentially a healing spell.

As I said before, not really a fan of the ruleset in computer games, and whenever I play anything D&D I will, at most, go for a paladin, but never a full spell-caster because of the above. I tried a druid once in NWN2 and it wasn't fun at all.

Edit: Apparently the 5th edition D&D is more lenient in some aspects of spell-casting with a "relaxed Vancian" system. I may give BG3 a go at some point, see if it's any better then.
Post edited August 19, 2023 by WinterSnowfall
Posted August 19, 2023
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timppu: Yeah but Valve/Steam doesn't support it as a DRM-free product, in case you have problems running it e.g. without the client. That is the biggie for me.

In addition to that, it is of course nice to have offline installers and being able to download with a mere web browser, or gogrepoc.py.
My point was to simply make it known if it wasn't. The Steam version is DRM-Free, too. It also supports cloud saves without signing up for a 3rd party account, which GOG does not, and has Steam workshop access (for the mods that are there and no where else). In this case, the Steam product is definitively superior to GOG.
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