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Post edited August 14, 2023 by LesTyebe
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LesTyebe: For now, I will wait. And since you're here, a variation of the (can we have?) (we have at home) meme:
I decided to buy Baldur's Gate 3 already now at full price, to show my appreciation for the company who made it, And also because I believe I will enjoy playing it.

The reason for my appreciation comes from all those Youtube-reviews and news how many other (AAA) developers are miffed because BG3 raises the bar an expectations for RPGs and AAA-games in general, and even has the Auda City not to include microtransactions and lots of skin DLCs and stuff and even have gall to offer it DRM-free on GOG.com.

So the developers/publishers of BG3 have demonstrated they are one of the pro-consumer good guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWdZhKFtxKg

The odd thing is that earlier I somehow completely mixed BG3 in my mind to the BG1 Enhanced Edition DLC "Siege of Dragonspear" which by the reviews is pretty sloppily made and tries to push the woke ideology, so I've decided to give it a hard pass.

Somehow I earlier had the wrong idea that BG3 would be made by the same people/company as the BG2 enhanced edition hence my interest to BG3 was low... but apparently I was wrong. Larian Studios =/= Beamdog, I need to write it down somewhere...
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timppu: "Siege of Dragonspear" which by the reviews is pretty sloppily made and tries to push the woke ideology, so I've decided to give it a hard pass.
Might have been the intention of those reviews.
I had a look at SteamDB a couple of hours ago and dayummmm, Baldur's Gate 3 in second place on most played games list, with around half million players. This is almost Elden Ring launch level...

I thought the hype was more a niche thing on GOG forums but holy crap, a peak of 875k players and growing every day.
I have pretty much the same rules, and I'm not really tempted to break them at all.
1. The price is ridiculously high for me. It's more than I ever paid for a game, even a physical edition on release. And during the next big sale I could buy probably something like ten games from my wishlist for that money. Maybe more.
2. It's still being constantly updated, which means to me that it's not really finished, despite all the years of early access.
3. I didn't like the original Baldur's Gate games (heresy, I know), and while I liked the first Divinity Original Sin a lot, I didn't like D:OS2 at all. So a BG sequel that everyone compares to D:OS2 doesn't sound like a smart buy for me.
4. Hype usually has the opposite effect on me, and pushes me away from things being hyped.
5. I have a ton of games to play. I still haven't finished Bard's Tale 4 (great game), I'm trying to 100% Lego Indiana Jones (which looks like it will take me forever), and when those are done, I still have a backlog I probably won't be able to finish this year even if I buy nothing more.
6. I've zero interest in bear sex, or in fact in any romantic liasons Larian apparently decided to heavily focus on instead of something like providing better character customisation.
7. If I were to spend such insane amount of money on a single game, I'd probably buy God of War Ragnarok. Which I won't, but still.
Post edited August 15, 2023 by Breja
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paladin181: You want to get a feel for BG3? Play DOS2. The games feel entirely similar, because modern Larian.
I'd even argue that if one wants to play a spellcaster, then DOS2 is the better choice, simply because of how D&D handles casting (namely, the Vancian system).

I've read the novella that inspired it all and indeed from a narrative point of view it does make some sense to nerf wizards by having them memorize the spells they intend to use, but in a day and age where MP are ubiquitous, such a system feels antiquated and convoluted.

Again, my qualms are with how D&D handles spellcasting, not with BG3. I had the same problem getting into NWN2.
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paladin181: You want to get a feel for BG3? Play DOS2. The games feel entirely similar, because modern Larian.
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WinterSnowfall: I'd even argue that if one wants to play a spellcaster, then DOS2 is the better choice, simply because of how D&D handles casting (namely, the Vancian system).

I've read the novella that inspired it all and indeed from a narrative point of view it does make some sense to nerf wizards by having them memorize the spells they intend to use, but in a day and age where MP are ubiquitous, such a system feels antiquated and convoluted.

Again, my qualms are with how D&D handles spellcasting, not with BG3. I had the same problem getting into NWN2.
I never much liked the way it works in D&D, but I still have to admit it works way better in a tabletop game than in a computer game. In tabletop it forces you to be creative with what spells you have, and you can be very creative because there are no limitations on how you can interact with the world. It can produce unique, memorable situations and a fun playstyle for a player who likes having to think out of the box. In a computer game it's mostly just an annoying limitation with no upside.
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Cadaver747: I_was_going_to_say_what_I_think_about_BG3_game
Like so?


Edit. Tested for effect. Thanks for advice.
Post edited August 14, 2023 by LesTyebe
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timppu: "Siege of Dragonspear" which by the reviews is pretty sloppily made and tries to push the woke ideology, so I've decided to give it a hard pass.
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LesTyebe: Might have been the intention of those reviews.
Apparently they succeeded then.

What was their motive?
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LesTyebe: Like so?
I'm not a fan of DnD and its ruleset. In my opinion, Neverwinter Nights had the best one. Also, I wasn't happy with the Divinity: Original Sin game. It bored me to death, and I tried to love the game with all my heart. I still haven't finished Baldur's Gate 2: The Throne of Bhaal - currently at the moment of assassination of Yaga-Shura.

But I just can't stop playing Baldur's Gate 3. It has nothing to do with the Original Sin game except for the engine. I just can't get enough of the game. For me, it's the best indication of a good game.

Yet there are some minor bugs. For instance, some items are glued to textures and can't be taken. Some are even stuck to the ceiling instead of falling down (e.g., spider egg sacks after destruction). Inventory might stop working correctly when you change the character. Camp stock doesn't separate food automatically (there is no proper food container there, and there is no food type to filter those out). Sometimes dialogue lines end prematurely (it could be just one word at the end or the whole sentence). Companion Approval|Disapproval notifications might blink for a millisecond to acknowledge them properly.

The game has one of the most unfriendly interfaces, but it's manageable. My Rogue character can't spot traps because of the 5E ruleset. For spotting traps, Rogues must have high WIS (can be mitigated by feats to some degree). And I absolutely love to speak with the dead and converse with animals, among other things.

What I didn't understand so far is why Magic Users are so ineffective, and why Short Rest is not enough to refill spells. Also, I don't like that my 10 STR Rogue can't jump normally, and I specifically invested in Athletics for just that. It doesn't affect jumping distance at all, and I think it's against the 5E rules.

Some say that battles are not fun, maybe it's true, but I personally love them.

As for the graphics, dialogues, character design, story, atmosphere, and music - I think it's one of the best games, 9.5 out of 10 for me. Also, I set everything to Ultra, and it runs pretty well on an old Nvidia GTX 1060. Is it because of the optimization of the old engine? I have no idea, the important part is that it plays smoothly.

I don't want to spoil anything related to the story, but know this: devs did a good job for evil options. I think some of the decisions might put Sarevok himself to shame.
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paladin181: You want to get a feel for BG3? Play DOS2. The games feel entirely similar, because modern Larian.
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WinterSnowfall: I'd even argue that if one wants to play a spellcaster, then DOS2 is the better choice, simply because of how D&D handles casting (namely, the Vancian system).

I've read the novella that inspired it all and indeed from a narrative point of view it does make some sense to nerf wizards by having them memorize the spells they intend to use, but in a day and age where MP are ubiquitous, such a system feels antiquated and convoluted.

Again, my qualms are with how D&D handles spellcasting, not with BG3. I had the same problem getting into NWN2.
5th Edition actually changes the way it works.

For Clerics and Wizards, you prepare spells as you would in previous editions, except that I don't think the level of the spell matters for preparation purposes, so you could, in theory, spend all your preparation slots on the same level. Then, once you have those spells prepared, you cast them the same way that Sorcerers did back in 3e (and still do, except that metamagic is a Sorcerer-specific ability).

So, essentially, all casters are spontaneous casters, but some can change which spells they have available each day.

There's also a rule that allows you to use a higher level slot to cast a lower level spell, and many spells are more powerful when used this way. (For example, Cure Wounds restores more HP when a higher level slot is used.) On the other hand, note that spells generally do not scale with caster level any more. If you want your Fireball to do more damage, leveling up isn't enough any more; you have to use a higher level slot.
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timppu: ... and even have gall to offer it DRM-free on GOG.com.
And on Steam