Hah, so the beamdog con artists did add something then (other than a section which doesn't fit with the rest), a load of bugs! Rock on, pay them more money! Can't wait for them to remove NWN next and break that as well.

Note, if you want the baldurs gate experience: bg1+2 plus big world setup (it's a tool which sets up a load of mods in a variably configurable way, tactics is my favourite). With this you can play the story end to end (i.e. They leave BG and get captured), but with additional side quests, npcs, cut content etc. Be prepared to spend a few months with it though. And then try soloing it.

99 percent of the complaints were never about the trans character. It was about the rotten writing. Making the BG2 villain a complete moron. Changing existing character's personality because the writer found them to be "sexist", and the massive amount of lore-breaking.

Even trans gamers hated it.

https://forums.beamdog.com/discussion/50420/my-thoughts-on-mizhena-as-a-transgender-person-myself/p3
This guy gets it.

Baldur's Gate has always had rotten writing.
"My dad just died."
"Awww yasss we're goin on an adventure!!!1! *~sparkles~* squeeee!"

The problem with Dragonspear is not that it's bad, it's bad in a way distinct from the original.

This.

I played it. I enjoyed it. It was fun to do something new in the BG universe.

actually, most reviews who do not focus on the "OMG!!!! they did a single bad NPC!!11!! and politics!!11!!" but rather focus on the actual game and gameplay gives it quite decent reviews - scores from the mid 60's to high 80's.

99% percent of your posts serve no other purpose than spreading gamergate nonsense.

You know you're dishonest. You've just decided to lie for the 'good cause'.

Cool to see so many smart people posting. As for the buying even thou "double Price" it's not expensive and: i did not do much research before i bought it. The money i payed won't get me much from elsewhere. I like Baldurs gate and i like to see by my selves. If they have destroyed it, they prob. don't deserve the money. But hey i wanna see by my selves. I have these old games on CD so i can go to that if i need to. They didn't get rich on me. And tnx for all those good replays
It's like they post the greates PC games through all time. I might agree with some of them but miss lots of good (better) games. These are the meaning of some...

No I actually looked at the Beamdog forums when the whole mess was going on. And you might know that the CEO of Beamdog actually made a statement about the "gamergaters" being a loud MINORITY. That the trans stuff drowned out the many valid complaints. So no. I didn't lie. Nor am I a member of Gamergate. Never was.
Sure the first BG game was pretty basic as far as the story went. BG2 though? That one was a fine piece of writing. Dragonspear added plot holes to the BG2 story. That is why it is extra bad. It broke the Forgotten Realms lore a LOT as well. Plus it was railroaded. That makes it extra bad. The author didn't understand or respect the source-material.

It's like an empty husk - devoid of soul and personality. Just like the company that made it. One can't exactly expect quality content when the goal is some easy money off the back of the good name of Baldur's Gate. It's just sad to see historic game after historic game getting twisted inside out by these people, with the originals removed from the marketplace and replaced with inferior and twice as expensive products.

Thankfully I got all the games before these guys got their filthy hands on them -- unfortunately others aren't so lucky.

And then there's you. o.O

Makes total sense. Apparently the trans character was written so "rotten" that "even" trans gamers hated her, but none of those people, not the trans and not the "evens", seems to have contributed to the complaints much, because "99 percent" didn't complain about the trans character.

I.e. you're trying your damndest to justify the criticism and the hate but try to tell us it hasn't taken place. That would be hilarious if people weren't so stupid as to take this kind of "logic" at face value.


Here's a detailed, quoted, sourced take on the issue by a trans woman. Good luck showing the hate.
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/269735/Opinion_The_Siege_of_Dragonspear_drama_and_the_video_game_community.php

You're also intelligent enough to understand that the ideological basis of gamergate was supplied almost exclusively by non-gamers that did not count themselves to be part of the movement, and it really doesn't matter jack shit whether you yourself counted yourself to be among the ranks of the people who spread and continue to spread the same tiring old alt-right conspiracy shit that you do.

Gamergate had it's assholes... but it had well-intentioned people as well.

What you are doing is essentially like saying that because 'SJW's are neo-Marxist children throwing tantrums over 'micro-aggressions' all liberals are just as bad.

I've never seen Stig79 to say anything 'radically extreme'... unlike your rabid self. Show us on the doll where Gamergate touched you.
FFS man, have you actually played Siege of Dragonspear? It is an atrocious shitstain on the legacy of Baldur's Gate even if that character is completely ignored!

The only thing I found remotely memorable about the game and enjoyed was how it tied up the loose end of the Icewind Dale series' villain.

So much this. I honestly can't think of a more linear western RPG in my life. Icewind Dale is the closest example I can think of and it at least made up for that linearity with high production values and great writing. I was honestly shocked to learn that IWD had a pretty tight budget for it's time considering all the quality that went into it.

And even they had to believe in the conspiracy theories that the Breitbart nazi peddled ([1] yes, nazi, stereotypical opportunist nazi in fact; [2] he's on infowars to peddle supplements right now. A fitting end to that fuckwit) to throw themselves into those trenches (as "neutrals" of course. Ha. Ha.).

I've tried to debate actual journalistic integrity and ethics with a three digit number of them (having narrowly avoided a journalistic career, thank god), and few would, because it has never been their actual focus, the smear job was, they were drunk with the collective power of the swarm to ruin and destroy, always and forever. It still is what the leftovers do today.

Yes, I've actually met well-intentioned people who leaned in the gamergate direction as well. Who debated in good faith. Who eventually denounced the movement because they had to denounce the fundament on which it was built, as the only possible way to keep up debating in good faith. They take a good look at the roots and stem of the movement, then understand that common ground is to be found off site.

And where did I say it wasn't? Fact is I can't verify that at all when the very people pitching that exact theory also continuously vomit the conspiracy nonsense of the alt-right into this forum. And that connection and causality is not in dispute, Mr. Maga hat.