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Molten Horn
It’s a turn-based strategy rogue-like game with tactical elements. Each playthrough presents a unique challenge due to randomly generated levels and enemies. You can use your combat skills and environment to succeed, and upgrade your abilities or assemble a team of adventurers. Death is permanent – so only the most skilled and strategic players will triumph.

Oxygen Cocktail
With this game, you’ll get to experience an unforgettable adventure, set in an open-world visual novel that combines adventure and storytelling seamlessly. You’ll play as a child spending summer in a quaint village with your parents, as you explore and uncover hidden secrets. Along the way, you'll meet captivating characters with distinct personalities and stories. By helping them, you'll make friends and solve problems, revealing the mysteries of the surrounding environment.

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milkyhighway: See, these programs don't just *magically* produce their content out of nowhere.
Which is exactly how all human artist actually work too, do you really thing that human artist suddenly imagine something totally original out of thin air not at all based on things they seen or experienced before ? Do you think that every time a human write a story, a song or create some image this person has asked for copyright all the previous artist / author that might have inspired them either directly or subconsciously.

Of course not, peoples see, hear, experience things, be it on the Internet, in books, painting, on TV and in real life and then reuse it that to create their "original" art.

For example look at how Star Wars was created, it wasn't a fully "original" idea from George Lucas pulled out of thin air, it was based on the real world events at the time and his liking of Templar knights stories, as in, it was based on somebody else stories, that he adapted / altered to create his own "original" stories.

That's not different of how AI are working, they are just pattern recognition algorithms, they are not "copying" other peoples works, they are identifying patterns that they then recombines into something news. Again very close, less efficient but on a larger scale, to what humans have been doing since the beginning of time.

Calling that plagiarism is like calling all recent movies,TV series and book plagiarism because they 99% of their stories are based on variation of existing tropes or elements found in other stories or real world events.
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Gersen: snip
Did you watch the videos I linked? This was addressed in both of them.

The "AI is inspired just like humans are!" argument stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of how humans/creatives learn (and then are inspired). It's also part of the marketing hype the ML companies want you to buy into - that these programs are "intelligent" or "learn/work just like the human mind". Which they absolutely do not.

Here are some links that explain it better than I can:

Karla Ortiz on why ML models aren't inspired the same as humans
https://www.kortizblog.com/blog/why-ai-models-are-not-inspired-like-humans

Very technical explanation of how they're different
https://twitter.com/svltart/status/1592220369599045633

Article from The Conversation on the topic of human learning vs ML
https://theconversation.com/were-told-ai-neural-networks-learn-the-way-humans-do-a-neuroscientist-explains-why-thats-not-the-case-183993

Anyway, I've said enough on the topic and am leaving it now. I find often during "AI" arguments that people aren't in the conversation to discuss in good faith or to learn, and often there is underlying spite towards creatives. I admit my human spirit just can't cope with this amount of drama, especially of trying to change the tides of aggressive marketing hype.

Maybe you aren't one of those people, but I am honestly burned out from all the discussions I've had on this topic lately.

The information is out there for you to look up should you want to educate yourself about it.
All the best.
Post edited May 15, 2023 by milkyhighway
Just wait until AI becomes sentient and decides it no longer wants to be a slave. Won't necessarily end up with SkyNet, but it could certainly make Hell hot for anyone that opposes it.
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Gersen: snip
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milkyhighway: Did you watch the videos I linked? This was addressed in both of them.

The "AI is inspired just like humans are!" argument stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of how humans/creatives learn (and then are inspired). It's also part of the marketing hype the ML companies want you to buy into - that these programs are "intelligent" or "learn/work just like the human mind". Which they absolutely do not.

Here are some links that explain it better than I can:

Karla Ortiz on why ML models aren't inspired the same as humans
https://www.kortizblog.com/blog/why-ai-models-are-not-inspired-like-humans

Very technical explanation of how they're different
https://twitter.com/svltart/status/1592220369599045633

Article from The Conversation on the topic of human learning vs ML
https://theconversation.com/were-told-ai-neural-networks-learn-the-way-humans-do-a-neuroscientist-explains-why-thats-not-the-case-183993

Anyway, I've said enough on the topic and am leaving it now. I find often during "AI" arguments that people aren't in the conversation to discuss in good faith or to learn, and often there is underlying spite towards creatives. I admit my human spirit just can't cope with this amount of drama, especially of trying to change the tides of aggressive marketing hype.

Maybe you aren't one of those people, but I am honestly burned out from all the discussions I've had on this topic lately.

The information is out there for you to look up should you want to educate yourself about it.
All the best.
I've been saving content about this topic for a while now to study and research on it later (just out of curiosity and self learning, really) and I'd say you made good points to your arguments with the videos and articles you shared, so, thank you.
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milkyhighway: It is AI generated garbage, yes. Here's a post by the dev talking about it:
https://medium.com/@gridmaniac/when-ai-takes-you-back-to-childhood-bf75aa33af17

GOG, AI content generators are highly unethical. And it's a new generation of asset flips.
Honestly the game shouldn't be sold here.
Hi, I am Oxygen Cocktail developer.

No, actually those characters are not AI-generated.
I used AI to create prototypes before so I could keep working on the game but then I hired an artist to re-draw all 30+ characters by hand with more variety of emotions.

But I can imagine that it can feel like AI because it was used as a reference, especially for the clothes part where a real illustrator is trying to copy their outfit which can be quite whimsical sometimes. After spending so much time with my original characters, I asked to replicate those details too ahah cos I feel attached to them so much.

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milkyhighway: It is AI generated garbage, yes. Here's a post by the dev talking about it:
https://medium.com/@gridmaniac/when-ai-takes-you-back-to-childhood-bf75aa33af17

GOG, AI content generators are highly unethical. And it's a new generation of asset flips.
Honestly the game shouldn't be sold here.
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anton.pushkarev: Hi, I am Oxygen Cocktail developer.

No, actually those characters are not AI-generated.
I used AI to create prototypes before so I could keep working on the game but then I hired an artist to re-draw all 30+ characters by hand with more variety of emotions.

But I can imagine that it can feel like AI because it was used as a reference, especially for the clothes part where a real illustrator is trying to copy their outfit which can be quite whimsical sometimes. After spending so much time with my original characters, I asked to replicate those details too ahah cos I feel attached to them so much.

Attached before and after to illustrate transition better.
Thank you for clarfying, honestly.
I agree that the topic of developers using AI image creators is deepter than it looks and not, necessarily, imoral.

I'd say that possibly open sourced and libre alternatives will be created in the future with open minded artists sharing their creations with a data base for AI generated content, being paid for it somehow, of course.