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Get ready, because Meridian4 brings in some amazing titles! Molten Horn and Oxygen Cocktail are soon to join our catalog!

Molten Horn
It’s a turn-based strategy rogue-like game with tactical elements. Each playthrough presents a unique challenge due to randomly generated levels and enemies. You can use your combat skills and environment to succeed, and upgrade your abilities or assemble a team of adventurers. Death is permanent – so only the most skilled and strategic players will triumph.

Oxygen Cocktail
With this game, you’ll get to experience an unforgettable adventure, set in an open-world visual novel that combines adventure and storytelling seamlessly. You’ll play as a child spending summer in a quaint village with your parents, as you explore and uncover hidden secrets. Along the way, you'll meet captivating characters with distinct personalities and stories. By helping them, you'll make friends and solve problems, revealing the mysteries of the surrounding environment.

Get ready to take a dive into the world of Meridian4!
molten horn needs a non-crt setting to make it less painful to look at, nostalgia or not.

the other one has pixel art, completely clashing 3d character portraits and the most generic font available. not a good overall look.
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Dohi64: the other one has pixel art, completely clashing 3d character portraits and the most generic font available. not a good overall look.
Also, those portraits look totally AI generated.
high rated
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Dohi64: snip
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phaolo: snip
It is AI generated garbage, yes. Here's a post by the dev talking about it:
https://medium.com/@gridmaniac/when-ai-takes-you-back-to-childhood-bf75aa33af17

GOG, AI content generators are highly unethical. And it's a new generation of asset flips.
Honestly the game shouldn't be sold here.
I was just about to write this, unfortunately the Oxygen Cocktail portraits do look like they are generated by an AI, you see them everywhere online these days. It's heartening to see that I'm not the only one who has noticed this, it means that they are still far from being able to replace humans.

Thanks for the confirmation milkyhighway.
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Dohi64: molten horn needs a non-crt setting to make it less painful to look at, nostalgia or not.
The CRT warping effect is also over the top, isn't it? A little warping may be ok, but not to the point where it almost looks like a sphere!
still no GROM or Cold Zero?
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milkyhighway: [...]
GOG, AI content generators are highly unethical.
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Interesting.

What is unetical about it? is it because it is a different form of "slave" labour? Is it the sweat shop 3d country situations that many AI have been used for training? is it because there is no clear legal defeinition on who owns copyrighted material generated by AI?

or any other reason?
'Awesome' is one word for it.

Sometimes it feels like we're subjects in some weird experiment.
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maxpoweruser: Sometimes it feels like we're subjects in some weird experiment.
Maybe we are. That's my very same thought after checking that strangely feminine looking dude with the "soup strainer" on the trailer. I mean the %&$ man?! ;P
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milkyhighway: [...]
GOG, AI content generators are highly unethical.
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amok: Interesting.

What is unetical about it? is it because it is a different form of "slave" labour? Is it the sweat shop 3d country situations that many AI have been used for training? is it because there is no clear legal defeinition on who owns copyrighted material generated by AI?

or any other reason?
AIs don't need to be paid and artists are starving.
Everything's Awesome!!! Now I must toil. Toodles.
While I do agree that in this case those portraits really don't fit with the game's art style otherwise, I'd much rather have AI generated art than resources that could be put into actual game design and coding redirected to purchase art or hire artists, or worse, have games not be done at all because the devs don't have art skills and can't afford to purchase or hire. I mean, the alternative in those cases is using free/generic art found here and there, which still doesn't pay artists, still takes dev's time to track down, and is likely to make the game look the same as who knows how many others.

As for artists starving, so do many other people, and that's a problem of how human society is built and maintained, the finance-based system and the now ever more artificially-maintained need to "earn a living". We should work on breaking out of that vicious cycle instead of propping it up.
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amok: snip
Sorry in advance for the mega reply! This is a big topic but I'll do my best.

I was mainly referring to the fact that AI content generators are built from databases full of copyrighted work, which the companies:
- did not pay to license
- did not seek permission to use (especially for paid models like Midjourney)
- do not provide renumeration to the original creators (especially the paid models)
- do not provide credit to the original creators

Effectively, they are copyright laundering, and providing bootlegged content/paid plagiarism.

Not that providing renumeration/credit/seeking permission in retrospect would fix the issue. They need to wipe their current models and rebuild them legally and ethically. But oh... they won't do that, because then the content produced would be lacking.

See, these programs don't just *magically* produce their content out of nowhere.

It all came from somewhere, and that "somewhere" was the entirety of the internet.
Which (contrary to popular belief) is NOT public domain.

For most countries, copyright applies to any created work from the moment it is created, regardless of whether the work is registered with a copyright office or not, and regardless of whether the creator seeks to make money off it or not. Everything on the internet is copyrighted by default (unless it's public domain/under a similar license, or created in a country that doesn't have copyright law, or ineligible for copyrighting due to lack of human authorship/creativity)

It is straight up illegal to take copyrighted content and make money off it without licensing it first. Which is what the paid content generators are doing (like Midjourney).
And the companies behind the free and open-source content generators will sell the tech down the line for profit (so even if it's not generating profit from users right now, it's tech they will eventually make money from)

Ah, so cheap for them, they can make billions on their tech, all without having to invest in pesky licensing fees or following copyright law!

There are also major ethical issues about the instant and easy ability to plagiarise a living working creator by training a model on their work, then pass it off as your own (or impersonate a creator by using their name). They just released mass plagiarism software to the masses open-source.

Creators are pulling their content from the internet in droves. After all, why create or share anything if your work will instantly get stolen and laundered?

This has also led to mass displacement of the creative workforce. Freelancers are losing clients, their income source. People are getting fired from in-house jobs because the company is going to use AI now. Some in-house workers get to keep their jobs, but are ordered by their company to train AI on the work they produce. Meanwhile freelancers are being told their services aren't needed because the company went ahead and trained an AI on their work.

There's also the issue that people are passing off generated content as their own work, which it is not. I mean, we don't say that someone who commissions a person to make something is now "the creator"...

And absolutely, the use of developing country workers to sift through traumatic content in those databases (and for slave wages!) is disgusting and unethical as well.

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To finish up, here are some great vids:

"AI art is going to have consequences" by T B Skyen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIni6Eeg9rE

"The End of Art" by Steven Zapata
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjSxFAGP9Ss

They both focus on "AI art", but the ethical arguments are universal and apply to things like ChatGPT too.
Both are chaptered, so you can jump to arguments you want to hear about. But they're worth listening to in full.

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Thanks for making it this far, and for reading. Hope it was of some use ^^;
Post edited May 13, 2023 by milkyhighway
The aesthetic of Molten Horn seems all wrong.