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If only he was a previously Star Wars fan... ;)

Seriously though, I get why he was pissed but that's not the way to take revenge at someone that took your story. But what I don't understand is that since such buildings is a major fire-hazzard... and yet the government hasn't made it illegal to not have external fire-escapes (At least I couldn't see one and most people were caught by the smoke in the stairs).

I blame the government for not having enforced external fire escapes on such buildings (unless it was / it had one...).
Post edited July 19, 2019 by sanscript
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mrcrispy83: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-49027178

What a horrible tragedy.
It is sad, and my prayers are with them and those they left behind.

I find it ODD, though, that 2 died on the first floor(couldn't they have gotten out easily?) and a whopping 20 died in what one assumes would be a contained area AWAY from the fires(3rd floor and higher stairwell). :\

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MadalinStroe: How did so many people die? Did they wait to be rescued, only to die due to carbon monoxide poisoning? This is horrible!
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Pheace: It feels so weird there is already a full wiki page on this but this is from that page

The fire began with an explosion[14] at around 10:30 a.m. local time[1] (01:30 UTC) when the perpetrator walked into Studio 1 and lit the building on fire with 40 litres (8.8 imp gal; 11 US gal) of gasoline. The gasoline was carried on a trolley after being transferred from two 20-litre cans near the building. He is reported to have been shouting "Die!" (死ね) as he carried out the attack. The perpetrator also poured gasoline over some people, causing them to run out into the street in flames.[15]

As the fire grew by the entrance, people were trapped inside the building. Nineteen dead bodies were found on the third floor by the stairs to the roof attempting to escape.[2] The perpetrator fled the scene but was chased by a Kyoto Animation employee and soon collapsed on the street, where he was apprehended by the police.[7] Multiple unused knives were found lying by the scene.
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Pheace: Apparently he purposely doused the stairways to block people getting out and the windows in the building were, at least initially, locked 'to prevent suicides'.
If he doused the stairs one would assume he would have done it at ground level or close to it...so how did those 19-20 people die so high up in the stairwells? Were the roof doors locked as well? If so, that would explain it.

(And how did he douse the stairs and no one tried to stop him? :\)

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sanscript: If only he was a previously Star Wars fan... ;)

Seriously though, I get why he was pissed but that's not the way to take revenge at someone that took your story. But what I don't understand is that since such buildings is a major fire-hazzard... and yet the government hasn't made it illegal to not have external fire-escapes (At least I couldn't see one and most people were caught by the smoke in the stairs).

I blame the government for not having enforced external fire escapes on such buildings (unless it was / it had one...).
They likey have room/space issues as their buildings are usually tightly packed together.....but it would've likely helped.

Also does anyone else get YT office vibes from this? It reminds me of that woman from YT who sh*t up their HQ that one time, for some reason.
Post edited July 20, 2019 by GameRager
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Pheace: Apparently this was a very good studio with great working conditions. Doesn't sound like they deserved this.
God, even a studio making lousy movies does not dersrve this.

Sad to say, I knew something like this would happen. The amunt of insanity and anger i see on movie forums by over the top fans has been growing lately.
Update: CEO of the company says they lost all physical and digital work of years of anime they worked on. not a single backup was made as they had all saved in house on hard drives and computers. so that means all those shows they made from day one till now, the originals are ALL GONE! Clannad and everything.... I am amazed they did not back this stuff up safely and now a big part of anime history is gone.

https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2019/07/20/kyoani-ceo-weve-lost-everything-both-paper-digital/
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DreamedArtist: Update: CEO of the company says they lost all physical and digital work of years of anime they worked on. not a single backup was made as they had all saved in house on hard drives and computers. so that means all those shows they made from day one till now, the originals are ALL GONE! Clannad and everything.... I am amazed they did not back this stuff up safely and now a big part of anime history is gone.

https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2019/07/20/kyoani-ceo-weve-lost-everything-both-paper-digital/
I'm always amazed by why studios don't back up their source code and source material in general. They invested tons of time and manpower (money) into it, why not treat it like the valuable resource they've actually produced?

Not to bash the studio, it's, of course, another tragedy upon the tragedy.
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DreamedArtist: Update: CEO of the company says they lost all physical and digital work of years of anime they worked on. not a single backup was made as they had all saved in house on hard drives and computers. so that means all those shows they made from day one till now, the originals are ALL GONE! Clannad and everything.... I am amazed they did not back this stuff up safely and now a big part of anime history is gone.

https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2019/07/20/kyoani-ceo-weve-lost-everything-both-paper-digital/
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DadJoke007: I'm always amazed by why studios don't back up their source code and source material in general. They invested tons of time and manpower (money) into it, why not treat it like the valuable resource they've actually produced?

Not to bash the studio, it's, of course, another tragedy upon the tragedy.
a lot of Japanese companies are very slow to keep up on protecting there content. maybe it's cause they never expect stuff like this to happen but they should have stored all and back up all digital content at another place and not leave it at the studio. bad move long term. What sucks now is you wont ever see re issues of shows or reprints of old ones due to this. so my physical blu ray copies of Clannad and some others are gonna be rare pieces due to this accident.
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DreamedArtist: Update: CEO of the company says they lost all physical and digital work of years of anime they worked on. not a single backup was made as they had all saved in house on hard drives and computers. so that means all those shows they made from day one till now, the originals are ALL GONE! Clannad and everything.... I am amazed they did not back this stuff up safely and now a big part of anime history is gone.

https://www.sankakucomplex.com/2019/07/20/kyoani-ceo-weve-lost-everything-both-paper-digital/
Not to be mean(and ppl will likely low rate for this), but if they didn't make backups and store such offsite then it's their fault for being dumb(the company, NOT the people who died).

Things like this are why i'm GLAD we have some people/sites backing up old media(legal or not legal to do so) for future generations because apparently companies are too dumb to do it themselves(or too cheap). :\
The death toll rises as some wounded pass away.
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DreamedArtist: ...so that means all those shows they made from day one till now, the originals are ALL GONE!...
I am ashamed to say that historical loss almost sounds more painful to me than all lives lost. Almost.
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DreamedArtist: ...so that means all those shows they made from day one till now, the originals are ALL GONE!...
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Mafwek: I am ashamed to say that historical loss almost sounds more painful to me than all lives lost. Almost.
This is just common sense to think like this. Sure, it's sad that people died and others are wounded or grieving, but sadly anime/etc producers are a dime a dozen and the loss of the work they made is worth more culturally(as it cannot be replaced 100%) than the people behind it in many cases.
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GameRager: This is just common sense to think like this. Sure, it's sad that people died and others are wounded or grieving, but sadly anime/etc producers are a dime a dozen and the loss of the work they made is worth more culturally(as it cannot be replaced 100%) than the people behind it in many cases.
No, not even in Japan, society which doesn't allow for much individuality (or as much as the West?), loss of single human life can't ever be replaced. You can make new drawings and come pretty close to original, you can't replace someone's loved one.

That's all I am going to say.
At least piracy would preserve some of their creations.

Anyhow, this asshole deserves the death penalty. He cannot be permitted to engage in slaughter again, a prison is meant to rehabilitate sane people back into society. This person simply isn't fit for civilization.
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GameRager: This is just common sense to think like this. Sure, it's sad that people died and others are wounded or grieving, but sadly anime/etc producers are a dime a dozen and the loss of the work they made is worth more culturally(as it cannot be replaced 100%) than the people behind it in many cases.
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Mafwek: No, not even in Japan, society which doesn't allow for much individuality (or as much as the West?), loss of single human life can't ever be replaced. You can make new drawings and come pretty close to original, you can't replace someone's loved one.

That's all I am going to say.
True, if there was a choice between saving one of those humans or saving all the anime that got lost the choice would be obvious. The culture that was destroyed is sad for sure, but all those parents who lost a son or a daughter, or all those kids who're not going to see their mom or dad anymore, that's a tragedy.
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GameRager: This is just common sense to think like this. Sure, it's sad that people died and others are wounded or grieving, but sadly anime/etc producers are a dime a dozen and the loss of the work they made is worth more culturally(as it cannot be replaced 100%) than the people behind it in many cases.
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Mafwek: No, not even in Japan, society which doesn't allow for much individuality (or as much as the West?), loss of single human life can't ever be replaced. You can make new drawings and come pretty close to original, you can't replace someone's loved one.

That's all I am going to say.
I'm sorry btw if what I said bothered you, but it's true to an extent(eve if we choose not to believe it)

By that I mean people(to corps/people in general who are not related or close to them) are usually more "replaceable" when it comes to society as a whole than some stuff(like famous pieces of history or culture) is/are.

Even with big business people are usually seen as replaceable cogs by the very high ups rather than people.

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Sabin_Stargem: At least piracy would preserve some of their creations.

Anyhow, this asshole deserves the death penalty. He cannot be permitted to engage in slaughter again, a prison is meant to rehabilitate sane people back into society. This person simply isn't fit for civilization.
Afaik they don't hand that penalty out to many in that country.

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Mafwek: No, not even in Japan, society which doesn't allow for much individuality (or as much as the West?), loss of single human life can't ever be replaced. You can make new drawings and come pretty close to original, you can't replace someone's loved one.

That's all I am going to say.
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DadJoke007: True, if there was a choice between saving one of those humans or saving all the anime that got lost the choice would be obvious. The culture that was destroyed is sad for sure, but all those parents who lost a son or a daughter, or all those kids who're not going to see their mom or dad anymore, that's a tragedy.
What if the stuff being lost was truly important and one had to choose between the two...like say in an outlandish example one thing was the cure for a major diasease that wasn't backed up or easy to replicate vs. saving a handful of people? Which would you choose to save if you could only save one? The few people or the potentially large numbers that cure/research could save in the future?
Post edited July 21, 2019 by GameRager