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Becoming a slightly different beast.

<span class="bold">Armello</span>, the digital tabletop/role-playing/strategy game, has now been updated and renamed to Armello - DRM Free Edition. It includes the latest fixes and updates, plus all these lovely animals who will eagerly stab each other with pointy things in order to become rulers of the land. Oh, and it's 25% off for six days!

This edition is a complete strategic experience and will keep receiving updates that are unrelated to DLCs or online features.

Here's what League of Geeks have to say about it (full version <span class="bold">here</span>):

"We want to ensure that whatever platforms Armello is on, we're providing the best experience that we possibly can. As Armello moves more and more into online services (like Steam inventory and more multiplayer features) and as we begin to roll out our plans for DLC, we've been working closely with GOG on an edition of Armello specific to GOG. [..]
We've had fantastic meetings with GOG about the future of Armello on the platform and although there's no way for us to provide DLC for DRM-Free users or to attempt to retain parity with the Steam version of Armello, Armello DRM-Free Edition will see features that best suit a DRM Free experience. [...]."

Get ready to join this new era of colorful animosity with <span class="bold">Armello DRM-Free Edition</span>, exclusively on GOG.com.
The 25% discount will last until September 5, 9:59 PM UTC.


https://www.youtube.com/embed/o4e5s28x7Ps
Post edited August 31, 2016 by maladr0Id
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metricfun: (though I'm not sure the warning is easy enough to see in the description, but if they have enough unhappy buyers they'll probably change the location on the gamecard).
It's the very first thing in the description, and it's bolded. Only way to make it more visible would be using colour letters (which are never used in GOG gamecards), all caps (which is seen as bad form), or put it in the freaking name of the game (which won't be done for obvious reasons.)

I think they did a fair effort to warn their customers here. Especially since the "DRM free edition" reference will draw attention to the fact there is a difference, and thus encourage people to actually read the gamecard.
So has it been like what a week ? since a official reply from gog or log on this ? is this how things get done from now ?


go radio silence ....
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GOG.com: We've had fantastic meetings with GOG about the future of Armello on the platform and although there's no way for us to provide DLC for DRM-Free users or to attempt to retain parity with the Steam version of Armello, Armello DRM-Free Edition will see features that best suit a DRM Free experience. [...]."
I'm surprised more people haven't commented on the last bit.

Honestly, I could give a crap about the microtransactions, skins and paid-for cards.

If one of the "features that best suit a DRM Free experience" is a single player campaign I'd jump back on their bandwagon in a heartbeat.
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liquidsnakehpks: So has it been like what a week ? since a official reply from gog or log on this ? is this how things get done from now ?

go radio silence ....
They did stated that you can get a refund for this game for any reason.
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liquidsnakehpks: So has it been like what a week ? since a official reply from gog or log on this ? is this how things get done from now ?

go radio silence ....
there could a contract in place that stipulates not talking business specifics with customers about this particular arrangement.
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liquidsnakehpks: So has it been like what a week ? since a official reply from gog or log on this ? is this how things get done from now ?

go radio silence ....
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fortune_p_dawg: there could a contract in place that stipulates not talking business specifics with customers about this particular arrangement.
God forbid they signed some kinda exclusive deal that they cant back out of
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fortune_p_dawg: there could a contract in place that stipulates not talking business specifics with customers about this particular arrangement.
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liquidsnakehpks: God forbid they signed some kinda exclusive deal that they cant back out of
well, they may have, the only people who know for sure are gog and log. and sometimes parts of those deals include non-disclosure agreements, hence the non-response. not saying i agree with that kind of thing or anything, just saying that id bet stuff like that is pretty common in the gaming industry even amongst smaller outfits like gog and log.

and yes, i'll very much be avoiding anything that might come down the pipe from this dev.
Post edited September 16, 2016 by fortune_p_dawg
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fortune_p_dawg: ... the only people who know for sure are gog and log.
Exclusive footage from their latest business meeting!
brothers and sisters!

keep those votes coming on the wishlist.

it might not "help" at all. but at least it'll display how we feel in a visible way that has a number attached. [we are in the minority, of course, but there's nearly 700 of us so far.]

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/remove_armello_drm_free_edition_from_the_catalog_please
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lostwolfe: please reconsider your stance and fix this mess.
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Vainamoinen: Uhm, why would they reconsider if GOG removed their game from the catalog... sounds more like extortion to me.

A clear warning that the game won't receive DLC right on the product page is enough for me.
while it may be enough for you, it's not enough for me, i'm afraid.

this is not the product that had been advertised for a very long time. now, admittedly, as i mentioned, log has been /very/ bad about that kind of thing, anyway, but removing the game from the store [unless they actually take the time to fix the problem: offer the whole product] - would have repercussions for log. less money. and maybe that's the only way that they will "listen."

[not that they are, anyway.]
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lostwolfe: [...] i understand that you are probably reading this thread, [...]
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HypersomniacLive: Pretty sure they're not, never were, and never will. They locked the relevant thread on Steam shrugging their shoulders, and saying "tough luck, get a refund on GOG if you're so inclined, we couldn't care less".
sounds about right, sadly.
Post edited September 20, 2016 by lostwolfe
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lostwolfe: brothers and sisters!

keep those votes coming on the wishlist.

it might not "help" at all. but at least it'll display how we feel in a visible way that has a number attached. [we are in the minority, of course, but there's nearly 700 of us so far.]

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/remove_armello_drm_free_edition_from_the_catalog_please
I think its far more productive to make a WL voting about getting the other DLCs here or a less lazy version instead of the removel of a completely functional version (I guess) of the game some ppl might like or at least prefer to no version.
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skeletonbow: What does bother me however, is not the fact that they made a "light" or "reduced" version of the game and decided to sell it here, but the fact that they (or whoever made the decision) decided that the label that should be used to describe this "dumbed down" version should be "DRM-free Edition". It's almost insulting to what the concept and ideology of what "DRM-free" means to some people, hijacking the term and what it actually means and using it as a substitute catch phrase to mean "dumbed down" twisted with a positive spin.
i wish i could +1 this more than once. well said.

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lostwolfe: brothers and sisters!

keep those votes coming on the wishlist.

it might not "help" at all. but at least it'll display how we feel in a visible way that has a number attached. [we are in the minority, of course, but there's nearly 700 of us so far.]

https://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/remove_armello_drm_free_edition_from_the_catalog_please
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anothername: I think its far more productive to make a WL voting about getting the other DLCs here or a less lazy version instead of the removel of a completely functional version (I guess) of the game some ppl might like or at least prefer to no version.
this is one of my two preferred solutions:

either we manage to vote it off the island [not really likely, but eh. at least there are numbers showing we're not happy]

or

it is presented in it's proper form [not likely at all, since the developer has shrugged and abandoned ship.]

i would STRONGLY prefer option 2. i might even give log money for that.

but since they're not interested...
Post edited September 20, 2016 by lostwolfe
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lostwolfe: while it may be enough for you, it's not enough for me, i'm afraid.
Thanks for using the proper first person singular here. I'll say, your whole pluralis sociativus vibe with all the "we" and especially that desperate boycott organisation attempt with the "brothers and sisters" address above creeps me out. The wishlist isn't the place to organize protest. And reposting the link every other day doesn't summon more people to this hasty hyperbolic cause – it invalidates the cause as it distorts the actual interest in it.

If GOG becomes the platform where developers get booed off stage, the only thing they're going to sell for the years to come are indie games from devs who didn't afford an artist and, of course, Witcher DLC. Frankly, they've been just that for the past months already.

Man, I wish more gamers were diplomats instead of 24/7 mindless protesters. As if LoG would reconsider DRMfDLC after being "voted off" the platform. They'll never make the mistake of publishing via GOG ever again, and so will other devs.
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Vainamoinen: If GOG becomes the platform where developers get booed off stage, the only thing they're going to sell for the years to come are indie games from devs who didn't afford an artist and, of course, Witcher DLC. Frankly, they've been just that for the past months already.

Man, I wish more gamers were diplomats instead of 24/7 mindless protesters. As if LoG would reconsider DRMfDLC after being "voted off" the platform. They'll never make the mistake of publishing via GOG ever again, and so will other devs.
On the other hand, accepting this kind of thing is still likely to ultimately lead to developers deciding not to release their games here, because fewer people will be willing to buy the crippleware versions here and that in turn will lead to developers being less likely to release their games here, on the basis that "GOG versions don't sell enough to be worth it".

In fact this is even worse, because it'll be detrimental to other games here too - people won't want to take the risk of buying a game here and then finding out later that it's not going to be fully supported (and we already see this happening now... if this keeps happening it's going to become even more of a problem).

Personally, between having developers decide not to release their games here because of their own unwillingness to properly support GOG & treat GOG users fairly, and having developers decide not to release their games here because of other developers' unwillingness to properly support GOG & treat GOG users fairly resulting in poor sales, I'd prefer the former.
Post edited September 20, 2016 by adamhm
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adamhm: On the other hand, accepting this kind of thing is still likely to ultimately lead to developers deciding not to release their games here, because fewer people will be willing to buy the crippleware versions here and that in turn will lead to developers being less likely to release their games here, on the basis that "GOG versions don't sell enough to be worth it".
I see your point, of course. Either way, this whole thing is a PR nightmare for GOG and doesn't bode well for future games. In how far an inferior version of Armello on GOG is detrimental to GOG and LoG's reputation remains debatable. To my knowledge, e.g. Daedalic hasn't felt the crushing pain of diminished GOG sales just because their Dark Eye games don't feature their native language voice files on GOG.

All that wasn't part of lonewolfe's argument, however. We're supposed to believe that kicking up a lot of stink and getting Armello removed from GOG would cost LoG a whole lot of money so they would "learn their lesson". But that's, of course, ridiculous bullshit. Armello is on Steam, PSN, Xbox Live, iOS, and Android. The GOG version literally makes them a penny out of their paycheck. Heck, if they're getting kicked, you could possibly hear their sigh of relief with windows closed. Maybe they're begging GOG for it right now. That would be just about the greatest excuse to e.g. their backers for not keeping Kickstarter promises.

The reason why they should deliver DLC to GOG customers isn't and will never be a financial one. It's a moral one. Naturally. And LoG can't be pressured to see moral reason. Reasonable debate has ended for the time, sadly. After this kind of outrage, LoG can not possibly step back in and say "well, OK, we will sell that DLC on GOG, just because you were outraged that much", because, what message would that send?

In other words, the nature of this organized protest absolutely strengthens LoG's resolve to "not be interested" in DRM free DLC for Armello. I'm not proposing to cuddle developers just because they're willing to deliver the most elementary of DLC updates to their games cross-platform, but there's a definite limit to the ostracism/outrage a developer should reasonably face when pulling off this kind of shenannigan.
Post edited September 20, 2016 by Vainamoinen