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Posted August 30, 2016
Becoming a slightly different beast.

<span class="bold">Armello</span>, the digital tabletop/role-playing/strategy game, has now been updated and renamed to Armello - DRM Free Edition. It includes the latest fixes and updates, plus all these lovely animals who will eagerly stab each other with pointy things in order to become rulers of the land. Oh, and it's 25% off for six days!

This edition is a complete strategic experience and will keep receiving updates that are unrelated to DLCs or online features.

Here's what League of Geeks have to say about it (full version <span class="bold">here</span>):

"We want to ensure that whatever platforms Armello is on, we're providing the best experience that we possibly can. As Armello moves more and more into online services (like Steam inventory and more multiplayer features) and as we begin to roll out our plans for DLC, we've been working closely with GOG on an edition of Armello specific to GOG. [..]
We've had fantastic meetings with GOG about the future of Armello on the platform and although there's no way for us to provide DLC for DRM-Free users or to attempt to retain parity with the Steam version of Armello, Armello DRM-Free Edition will see features that best suit a DRM Free experience. [...]."

Get ready to join this new era of colorful animosity with <span class="bold">Armello DRM-Free Edition</span>, exclusively on GOG.com.
The 25% discount will last until September 5, 9:59 PM UTC.


https://www.youtube.com/embed/o4e5s28x7Ps
Post edited August 31, 2016 by maladr0Id
Posted August 31, 2016
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IAmSinistar: Basically they are hoping to turn this into a kind of tiny MMO with probably a gazillion micropurchase options (new hat!). And I hope it's the profound failure it deserves to be.
The sad thing is, looking at the success of all those other crappy micro-transaction games, this probably is the best way for them to make a lot of money. :/
Posted August 31, 2016
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CharlesGrey: The sad thing is, looking at the success of all those other crappy micro-transaction games, this probably is the best way for them to make a lot of money. :/
Agreed. The plethora of stupid-but-profitable microtransactional apps out there shows that this is the current gold rush. Though they may have missed their window, since the game is no longer new and thus doesn't have the same cachet as the next hot thing.
Posted August 31, 2016
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CharlesGrey: The sad thing is, looking at the success of all those other crappy micro-transaction games, this probably is the best way for them to make a lot of money. :/
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IAmSinistar: Agreed. The plethora of stupid-but-profitable microtransactional apps out there shows that this is the current gold rush. Though they may have missed their window, since the game is no longer new and thus doesn't have the same cachet as the next hot thing.
Who the hell plays this micro-transaction stuff, anyway? Kids?
I don't know. I'm really curious. If anyone has solid data concerning this new trend, please inform me. I'd like to see some study about this but I've never managed to find one.
Posted August 31, 2016
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barleyguy: I really believe the proper response for GOG is to stop selling this game, and possibly offer refunds to people who no longer want this game on their shelf.
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AgentBirdnest: Agreed. But it still wouldn't be enough, because plenty of people bought the game on GOG before this announcement. I think the devs/GOG really should do a reverse-Connect thing, and give the people who bought it here a Steam key.
If someone is given a refund, they have the option to use that money to buy the game on Steam. I don't think GOG should ever get in the business of providing Steam keys, even in a situation like this.
Posted August 31, 2016
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karnak1: Who the hell plays this micro-transaction stuff, anyway? Kids?
I don't know. I'm really curious. If anyone has solid data concerning this new trend, please inform me. I'd like to see some study about this but I've never managed to find one.
Yes, a lot of it is the "not my money" bracket of kids with allowances, who don't grasp the value of money and see it simply as a minor thing standing in the way of 30 seconds of pleasure in owning some new trivial thing. However, I would guess there are a fair number of adults with equally poor value judgement and impulse control contributing to the trend.

The only IAPs I make are buying new levels, such as in Monument Valley. Basically proper content DLC.
Posted August 31, 2016
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karnak1: Who the hell plays this micro-transaction stuff, anyway? Kids?
I don't know. I'm really curious. If anyone has solid data concerning this new trend, please inform me. I'd like to see some study about this but I've never managed to find one.
Minors ( with their parents' credit cards ), "casual gamers", people with more money than sense... ? Personally I'm OK with DLC, as long as it has a reasonable price/value ratio. But in-app transactions would completely ruin the game experience for me. ( "You've discovered an epic treasure chest! Please enter your credit card data to proceed." )

In any case, most GOG users probably don't qualify for their new target audience, hence why we're no longer of interest to the devs.
Posted August 31, 2016
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karnak1: Who the hell plays this micro-transaction stuff, anyway? Kids?
I don't know. I'm really curious. If anyone has solid data concerning this new trend, please inform me. I'd like to see some study about this but I've never managed to find one.
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IAmSinistar: Yes, a lot of it is the "not my money" bracket of kids with allowances, who don't grasp the value of money and see it simply as a minor thing standing in the way of 30 seconds of pleasure in owning some new trivial thing. However, I would guess there are a fair number of adults with equally poor value judgement and impulse control contributing to the trend.
Lucky kids! :/
Back when I was a child I had to play only pirated games, because my parents wouldn't give me $$$ to buy them.

Thanks for the info, IAmSinistar and CharlesGrey
Post edited August 31, 2016 by karnak1
Posted August 31, 2016
Edit: Glorious double post! Thanks GOG forum. :P
Post edited August 31, 2016 by CharlesGrey
Posted August 31, 2016
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real.geizterfahr: DRM free is worth shit if you end up with another Omerta or Van Helsing Final Cut. GOG needs to learn how to handle new games.
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karnak1: Honestly, man, I don't think GOG learns to handle jack-shit. This Armello story has just proven again that it's the devs who are to blame, not GOG.
It's always the dev's fault. But it's GOG's users who end up with an abandoned game on GOG. And thus it's GOG's problem! I doubt that the vast majority of GOG's users are idealistic people who fight "the DRM free war" and just want to support GOG. I guess most people are just here to buy games. And they'll spend their money elsewhere if GOG isn't able to deliver complete and patched games.

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karnak1: If people like you want fresh new games and don't care about DRM why are you here? Just purchase everything on Steam and that's it!
That's exactly what I'm doing. I just purchase my new games on Steam. Why I'm here? Well... Maybe I'm here to let GOG know, why someone who spent €310,86 (according to Orders & Settings page) in 2015 here, doesn't buy any games here anymore!? I only spent €11,98 in 2016 on GOG - and that was for gifts on the 2nd of February! It's called "Feedback". I don't just leave. I let GOG know WHY I leave. If they mange to fix this problem, I'll gladly return and buy my games here again.

And yes, they CAN fix it. Not with a shotgun, but with a contract! Let devs sign that they fucking HAVE TO deliver available patches, content updates and DLC. If they don't want to sign that they're not going to leave GOG customers with an abandoned version of their game, it might even be better to "miss out" on their game.
Posted August 31, 2016
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As a side note, I guess people can now legitimately say that GOG sells abandonware, though of a slightly different sort than the term usually applies to.
Posted August 31, 2016
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barleyguy: If someone is given a refund, they have the option to use that money to buy the game on Steam. I don't think GOG should ever get in the business of providing Steam keys, even in a situation like this.
Ah, sorry, my bad. My eyes seemed to skip over the "refunds" part in your previous post. [/embarrassed]
Anyway, I agree that refunds should be given. :-)
Post edited August 31, 2016 by AgentBirdnest
Posted August 31, 2016
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real.geizterfahr: I didn't feel like playing the Final Cut anymore.
So what happened? Did the game become sour or something? Is it too old a game now? You can only play games when they are brand-new?

All that vitriole over Final Cut... yet it did arrive to GOG, albeit delayed. So you were not stuck with anything, especially as the publisher was willing to provide you a Steam key if you really were in a hurry to play the Final Cut version.

Anyway, I guess we won't be seeing you anymore in the GOG forums, right? I heard GOG forums suck too.

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real.geizterfahr: Lesson learned -> Don't buy "promises" on GOG.
Even though GOG actually fulfilled the promise in that case.

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real.geizterfahr: GOG has this problem for quite a while now and they still didn't learn how to force devs to patch their fucking games here too.
So how do they "force" developers to do that? It is idiotic to suggest GOG should come up with some nonsense clauses like "if a Steam update doesn't come to GOG during the same day, then the publisher will lose any profits from their games sold on GOG" or some such bs. NO PUBLISHER WOULD ACCEPT SUCH A CLAUSE, PERIOD. You'd have to be very stupid to think they would.

Also, you make it sound like most GOG games are missing updates or DLCs, which is complete bullshit of course. Yes quite often they come later than in Steam, so if getting them ASAP is of utter importance to you, then I guess Steam it is. I am not as impatient, I play games at my own time.

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real.geizterfahr: They'll either learn how to fix this, or they'll lose more customers (people already went nuts and asked to get their money back because of a two day delay of No Man's Sky patches!).
Actually, most wanted their money back even after the patches, the two day delay was mostly an excuse.

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real.geizterfahr: DRM free is worth shit if you end up with another Omerta or Van Helsing Final Cut.
Funny, I do have DRM-free Final Cut in my GOG account right now. So I didn't "end up" with anything.

I also think you put far too much blame on GOG on this one. It is the publishers you should be blaming.

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real.geizterfahr: And thus it's GOG's problem! I doubt that the vast majority of GOG's users are idealistic people who fight "the DRM free war" and just want to support GOG.
Now you are being a bit of an asshole with that statement.

Look, I get it, you don't care about DRM. Good for you.

But claiming that those who do are some kind of "idealistic people who fight the war" or "a religious nutcase who buys games here to support GOG and the DRM free bullshit revolution" is just bullshit. I buy DRM-free games because they are of much more value to me than games which will disappear when the store/service disappeares.

I hope that is now clear to you.
Post edited August 31, 2016 by timppu
Posted August 31, 2016
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what the hell happened again here ? (sorry, i just read the article and react to it, though i yet didnt read all the 11 pages of posts before, sorry)

some shady stuff already happened before on gog (like strike suit zero dissapearing/changing/coming back, like van hellsing final cut, and other surprising "incidents")

but what the hell is it about here ? devs from armello think their dlc won't sell on gog communauty ? hell, there are already quite a few indies and ancient AAA games with separate purchasable DLCs in the catalog, hell even SOUNDTRACKS (the kind of things we were used to expect as goodies included in the package for us)

And so far it seems those DLCs, deluxe editions and separate soundtracks still get bought here.

Regarding armello online/multiplayer functionalities, i can understand, because the steamworks framework is very different from a drm-free environnement, regarding the features and possibilities and especially the interconnection with one's steam account to unified API.
so, GOG customers using armello cant expect getting such features yet (would require galaxy to grow, improve and step out of beta)

But DLCs adding CONTENT ? (like new rulesets, characters, powers, cards and such) HELL WTF ! I yet cant figure ANYTHING that wouldnt be technically possible despite being in DRM environment. Other games do offer DLCs that add such content, here...

So, i'm sorry but i'll assume that Armello's devs are taking the darkside road, thinking DRM-Free = risk and loss sales, and/or worse, those folks from Armello are slowly becoming as outrageous and despicable as those from Gremlin Inc (most of the BS were deleted or censored by now, but from what i could have heard from a comrade, and read myself, the attitude of Gremlin Inc's devs towards GOG/other DRM-free communauties and customers were just making me nauseous... try to search for lost undeleted trails about it for a good laugh)

I really would like either a GOG spokeperson or an Armello dev's spokeperson coming here and disclose openly and honnestly the real reasons behind this nonsense situation... because keeping themselves mouth shut will only leave us thinking about the worst scenarios (or scenarii if you insist)

I'm kind of dissapointed to say the least, and i'm becoming more and more suspicious and defiant from now on...
Posted August 31, 2016
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IAmSinistar: As a side note, I guess people can now legitimately say that GOG sells abandonware, though of a slightly different sort than the term usually applies to.
I doubt this is the first, don't deep silver do the same, release their games here then abandons them.
Posted August 31, 2016
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just read the link someone posted... DLC content 4 new heroes and 4 rings... Seriously ? aside frorm the price (10$ being a bit overpricy), this is the kind of content that DOESNT justify the need to be only within a DRM environment...

Such content could technically be possible to add to base game despite being drm free; i dont see the "benefit" of steam for such additions to the game

Verdict: Full Bullshit'o'meter !

Enjoy your diner with folks from Gremlins Inc. studio

By now, one of the FEW gestures Armello devs/publishers could do to demonstrate real good faith (and not just typical bollocks PR language) would be to provide a steam key for the game FOR FREE to ALL the PREVIOUS customers on gog of the old version (i mean not the new "officially crippled" one released today)

That, or you could come and explain with more disclosure... Because right now you look very shady !
Post edited August 31, 2016 by Djaron
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