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I noticed when playing old dvd movies on my 4k tv with a blu ray player the dvd upscale is amazing like really nice and gets rid of lines and all the other all other issues when stretching out the image to higher resolutions. my question here is I know there is some of you who rip movies or are knowledgeable about this and can maybe help me out on this, so I want to rip some cartoon movies from dvd but when I do they don't look as nice on pc as they do on the blu ray players up scaling thing.

if you can help me with maybe a software or hardware thing then that would be amazing! thank for any help in advance!
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UnrealQuakie: I noticed when playing old dvd movies on my 4k tv with a blu ray player the dvd upscale is amazing like really nice and gets rid of lines and all the other all other issues when stretching out the image to higher resolutions. my question here is I know there is some of you who rip movies or are knowledgeable about this and can maybe help me out on this, so I want to rip some cartoon movies from dvd but when I do they don't look as nice on pc as they do on the blu ray players up scaling thing.

if you can help me with maybe a software or hardware thing then that would be amazing! thank for any help in advance!
it's actually a problem with the resolution of your source. The blu-ray player may not be upscaling the output which results in none of those problems. On PC, you are probably stretching the image to the full screen. You will NEVER get a DVD source to look as good as a blu-ray rip of the same item. It can be made to look decent with the right avisynth script but a blu-ray source of the same material from a master of at least blu-ray resolution will have details that the DVD will not. Depending on when the DVD was made, you can have a host of problems present that may need avisynth filters to remove at best or mitigate at worst. I have worked with making a VHS source watchable (succeded there for the most part) and I have seen "SD remaster" (upscaled materials from a DVD resolution source) animation in a 1080i and 1080p format that I haven't touched. I have tried doing stuff that was matered for LD but put on DVD and it was very poor at best (masters were old, LD is not DVD, film damage in all shapes plus B&W=bad results.)

contact me via PM and let me know what you have that you are trying to copy to PC so I can try with stuff I have which may be the same age.
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wizisi2k: You will NEVER get a DVD source to look as good as a blu-ray rip of the same item. It can be made to look decent with the right avisynth script but a blu-ray source of the same material from a master of at least blu-ray resolution will have details that the DVD will not.
Read his post again. There is no BluRay source involved, only a BluRay player. He is not asking how to make a DVD look as good as a BluRay.
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wizisi2k: You will NEVER get a DVD source to look as good as a blu-ray rip of the same item. It can be made to look decent with the right avisynth script but a blu-ray source of the same material from a master of at least blu-ray resolution will have details that the DVD will not.
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Wishbone: Read his post again. There is no BluRay source involved, only a BluRay player. He is not asking how to make a DVD look as good as a BluRay.
I might not have worded it as well but yeah I am looking for something that makes dvd's look as good on an hd tv but for computers, My blu ray player has an upscale thing that works wonders but yet to find a pc equivalent.

maybe pc's just never got into it as much cause those external players people are fine with but I pretty much use my pc for EVERYTHING :)
Post edited July 06, 2017 by UnrealQuakie
You could Google upscaling for and [url=http://thor.mirtna.org/tutorial-vlc.html]VLC.
Or you could use FFMPEG to actually upscale the file itself after ripping.
That would mean another round of encoding though.
My only suggestion is, if you are not already using it, is the VLC player. http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-windows.html

VLC's "up-scaling" is software based so it won't compare to the chip based up-scaling of your tv / Bluray player but it works better than other PC video players I've tried IMHO. If you already use it try right clicking the screen, select Video, select Post processing and "Best". That seems to help on some videos.

Also turning off the "full screen" option and setting aspect ration to the DVD aspect ratio might help with PC playback as that displays the video at it's original res.

Anyway, you can't really add quality to DVD's but you can enhance the playback to some degree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pn4F6cid1Mg
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UnrealQuakie: I noticed when playing old dvd movies on my 4k tv with a blu ray player the dvd upscale is amazing like really nice and gets rid of lines and all the other all other issues when stretching out the image to higher resolutions. my question here is I know there is some of you who rip movies or are knowledgeable about this and can maybe help me out on this, so I want to rip some cartoon movies from dvd but when I do they don't look as nice on pc as they do on the blu ray players up scaling thing.

if you can help me with maybe a software or hardware thing then that would be amazing! thank for any help in advance!
Firstly I am ripping directly from DVD by VidCoder with my ideal settings . While I am doubling the resolution of it . Then I have a MeGUI script . I compiled bunch of plugins and ideal values for my videos . Problem is I am on different PC now . So I can't access them . But I am sure you can easily find them from Google . Keep in mind for this job best programs are VidCoder and MeGUI .

Here is an example video :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVHD3CYoNKQ

I upscaled this one from a 360p video . DVDs are 480p . Even better from this source :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axQHFzBdMIk

Also I have this one from last year but this script and plugins from last year and it's far from ideal .
Post edited July 06, 2017 by Skysect
That reminds me that I should try (again) to rip my Robocop (extended) DVD into some nice video file that I can watch without a DVD player.

I already tried it years ago with some instructions on the net but didn't succeed for some reason. I don't even recall what it was, maybe I got confused because the same DVD has two different versions on the same DVD, the normal version and the extended version with the extra scenes, and you select from the menu which you want to watch. I just wanted to rip the extended version but couldn't figure out which vob files or whatever I should pick, IIRC...

I was kinda expecting it would be like "press a RIP button on application A, and then maybe CONVERT TO AVI on application B", but it didn't seem quite as straightforward.


tl;dr: Free applications for ripping a DVD to a good quality video file easily? Could be in the original format (mkv? bigger size?), or then maybe transform it to some better compressed format which still looks good (size maybe 1.5 GB?).

EDIT: Maybe I try the suggestions here:

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/2696/how-to-rip-dvds-with-vlc/

They make it sound very easy, but I don't know why it wasn't that easy for me earlier.
Post edited July 06, 2017 by timppu
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UnrealQuakie: I noticed when playing old dvd movies on my 4k tv with a blu ray player the dvd upscale is amazing like really nice and gets rid of lines and all the other all other issues when stretching out the image to higher resolutions. my question here is I know there is some of you who rip movies or are knowledgeable about this and can maybe help me out on this, so I want to rip some cartoon movies from dvd but when I do they don't look as nice on pc as they do on the blu ray players up scaling thing.

if you can help me with maybe a software or hardware thing then that would be amazing! thank for any help in advance!
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Skysect: Firstly I am ripping directly from DVD by VidCoder with my ideal settings . While I am doubling the resolution of it . Then I have a MeGUI script . I compiled bunch of plugins and ideal values for my videos . Problem is I am on different PC now . So I can't access them . But I am sure you can easily find them from Google . Keep in mind for this job best programs are VidCoder and MeGUI .

Here is an example video :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVHD3CYoNKQ

I upscaled this one from a 360p video . DVDs are 480p . Even better from this source :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axQHFzBdMIk

Also I have this one from last year but this script and plugins from last year and it's far from ideal .
I use makemkv cause it rips the exact image from the disc into an mkv, some dvd's look really good when putting it on even 4k but some suffer and looking for filters or something to make it look a little bit better I will show you these caps here showing one that looks good and the other suffering from this issue. not sure if what i am showing here can be fixed without losing quality cause I seen some of those fixed videos and they look like something soft is smeared on the image to soften it up to smooth the quality, not sure :/

good image is golden boy vhs transfer to DVD from discotek and bad one is comic party from discotek this is a direct rip of the dvd with no image lose or anything, and is playing on a 1080p studio grade monitor from dell. but when I put the comic party on a player for the tv it looks like a whole different thing like the golden boy does in quality.
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Smannesman: You could Google upscaling for and [url=http://thor.mirtna.org/tutorial-vlc.html]VLC.
Or you could use FFMPEG to actually upscale the file itself after ripping.
That would mean another round of encoding though.
I use mpc hc latest version and Makemkv to rip my movies. cause handbreak confuses the hell out of me and all the stuff I do on it makes it looks horrible as hell and cant get the exact picture perfect image like the blu ray or dvd I am ripping.

but I am doing a lot of research on these things and my god man it's insane! I can tell this is not for new people but more aimed at people who know a lot about dvd copy and file stuff.
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Post edited July 06, 2017 by UnrealQuakie
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Skysect: Firstly I am ripping directly from DVD by VidCoder with my ideal settings . While I am doubling the resolution of it . Then I have a MeGUI script . I compiled bunch of plugins and ideal values for my videos . Problem is I am on different PC now . So I can't access them . But I am sure you can easily find them from Google . Keep in mind for this job best programs are VidCoder and MeGUI .

Here is an example video :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVHD3CYoNKQ

I upscaled this one from a 360p video . DVDs are 480p . Even better from this source :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axQHFzBdMIk

Also I have this one from last year but this script and plugins from last year and it's far from ideal .
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UnrealQuakie: I use makemkv cause it rips the exact image from the disc into an mkv, some dvd's look really good when putting it on even 4k but some suffer and looking for filters or something to make it look a little bit better I will show you these caps here showing one that looks good and the other suffering from this issue. not sure if what i am showing here can be fixed without losing quality cause I seen some of those fixed videos and they look like something soft is smeared on the image to soften it up to smooth the quality, not sure :/

good image is golden boy vhs transfer to DVD from discotek and bad one is comic party from discotek this is a direct rip of the dvd with no image lose or anything, and is playing on a 1080p studio grade monitor from dell. but when I put the comic party on a player for the tv it looks like a whole different thing like the golden boy does in quality.
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Smannesman: You could Google upscaling for and [url=http://thor.mirtna.org/tutorial-vlc.html]VLC.
Or you could use FFMPEG to actually upscale the file itself after ripping.
That would mean another round of encoding though.
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UnrealQuakie: I use mpc hc latest version and Makemkv to rip my movies. cause handbreak confuses the hell out of me and all the stuff I do on it makes it looks horrible as hell and cant get the exact picture perfect image like the blu ray or dvd I am ripping.

but I am doing a lot of research on these things and my god man it's insane! I can tell this is not for new people but more aimed at people who know a lot about dvd copy and file stuff.
There are bunch of issues in your screenshots . Like ghosting

[url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghosting_(television]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghosting_(television[/url]) .

You could check aWarpSharp plugin and others . there is a lots of helpful threads on videohelp.com . and other forums like that . search for upscale anime or cartoon with megui .
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Skysect: You could check aWarpSharp plugin and others . there is a lots of helpful threads on videohelp.com . and other forums like that . search for upscale anime or cartoon with megui .
The image with the girl with red hair is the main issue I am dealing with the one with the multiple girls is fine I love the quality its great on my monitor with no issue but my god that red hair one is horrendous.

I did a fast google on that awarpsharp thing and I am looking around but if you can help me is there a plugin for mpc-hc for it??? cause VLC has odd audio hickups on my pc and this player does not :)
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Post edited July 07, 2017 by UnrealQuakie
Your Blu-ray player might have some proprietary upscaling implemented which on the PC might not be available. There are lots of technologies and types of chips that can do it, since you didn't say what type of Bluray player you have, I can't even guess what's involved. From your screenshots it looks like some sort of anti-aliasing is applied after the upscaling (maybe you can adjust this somewhere on the PC player?).
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UnrealQuakie: the quality its great on my monitor with no issue but my god that red hair one is horrendous.
It looks fine to me overall..
But I can't imagine what upscale quality your BD player manages to obtain O_o
I'm usually not very fond of (simple) upscaling as it greatly increases the source size just to apply some kind of anti-aliasing that software could obtain anyway while playing.
Post edited July 07, 2017 by phaolo
What are your encoding and ripping settings specifically? What is the DVD format (NTSC/PAL)

Did you apply IVTC?
Did you resize only with Spline36 ?
Is your encoder x264 10bit?
What is CF or bitrate? CF 16-19 and Bitrate 3000-4000 is optimal

If none of the above questions make any sense to you then ripping Anime is gonna be a really hard first entry into the field of DVD ripping. But if you are serious, you should get the tools I list and learn them by trial and error.

Generally speaking, you wanna start with a full ripped 1 file MPEG2 source file on your HDD, it needs to be the full MPEG2 bitrate, lossless 1:1 , make sure to apply IVTC if needed and check for interlace during RIP, otherwise the "source" file will loot really strange. I'd wager your ripping tool did not do this based on the screenshots. Make sure your ripping tool knows what a NTSC and PAL source is.
You want to use x264 to encode it in 264 in 2 pass 10bit with CF 16 to 19 and bitrate around 3500
You want to use AVS to resize with Spline36

Now to be honest, I don't specifically know which tool to use to really "rip" a DVD nowadays, I'd use anyDVD mainly because I am lazy nowadays. But nothing beats a custom x264 encoding and resizing with AVS, getting those tools to work right is a science, but once you got it.. well, then you got it, and more rips are just copy paste and changing a bat file...

Blurays like nearly every other hardware use a rescaling chip, some offshoot of Spline36 and probably even content aware stuff. You can achieve the same, it's just more complicated, most "automated" ripping tools will never allow you to get the quality you want with Anime.

The 3 primary points to look at for IQ with anime
IVTC YES/NO | NTSC or PAL
10bit, 2 pass, CF16-19 x264 encode
Resize with Spline36

ps.: If you want to skip all that, and just watch the MPEG2 source like your bluray player does it, you should look into MPC HC + MADVR and look into the upscaling settings for MadVR specifically. (it's got nothing to do with THAT VR) with the correct settings your anime can look tremendous, and MadVR does have Spline upscaling. It's really performance heavy though
Post edited July 07, 2017 by eRe4s3r
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UnrealQuakie: the quality its great on my monitor with no issue but my god that red hair one is horrendous.
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phaolo: It looks fine to me overall..
But I can't imagine what upscale quality your BD player manages to obtain O_o
I'm usually not very fond of (simple) upscaling as it greatly increases the source size just to apply some kind of anti-aliasing that software could obtain anyway while playing.
I use this drive currently http://www.lg.com/us/burners-drives/lg-WH16NS40-internal-blu-ray-dvd-drive
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eRe4s3r: What are your encoding and ripping settings specifically? What is the DVD format (NTSC/PAL)

Did you apply IVTC?
Did you resize only with Spline36 ?
Is your encoder x264 10bit?
What is CF or bitrate? CF 16-19 and Bitrate 3000-4000 is optimal

If none of the above questions make any sense to you then ripping Anime is gonna be a really hard first entry into the field of DVD ripping. But if you are serious, you should get the tools I list and learn them by trial and error.

Generally speaking, you wanna start with a full ripped 1 file MPEG2 source file on your HDD, it needs to be the full MPEG2 bitrate, lossless 1:1 , make sure to apply IVTC if needed and check for interlace during RIP, otherwise the "source" file will loot really strange. I'd wager your ripping tool did not do this based on the screenshots. Make sure your ripping tool knows what a NTSC and PAL source is.
You want to use x264 to encode it in 264 in 2 pass 10bit with CF 16 to 19 and bitrate around 3500
You want to use AVS to resize with Spline36

Now to be honest, I don't specifically know which tool to use to really "rip" a DVD nowadays, I'd use anyDVD mainly because I am lazy nowadays. But nothing beats a custom x264 encoding and resizing with AVS, getting those tools to work right is a science, but once you got it.. well, then you got it, and more rips are just copy paste and changing a bat file...

Blurays like nearly every other hardware use a rescaling chip, some offshoot of Spline36 and probably even content aware stuff. You can achieve the same, it's just more complicated, most "automated" ripping tools will never allow you to get the quality you want with Anime.

The 3 primary points to look at for IQ with anime
IVTC YES/NO | NTSC or PAL
10bit, 2 pass, CF16-19 x264 encode
Resize with Spline36

ps.: If you want to skip all that, and just watch the MPEG2 source like your bluray player does it, you should look into MPC HC + MADVR and look into the upscaling settings for MadVR specifically. (it's got nothing to do with THAT VR) with the correct settings your anime can look tremendous, and MadVR does have Spline upscaling. It's really performance heavy though
I rip my stuff with Makemkv http://www.makemkv.com/
I love this program and seems to rip my blu rays and some dvd's fine but I can't change the ripping process it's just a one click start kind of thing. but maybe you know of something else that does not lose filesize and quality but increases it for some things like this problem? all my stuff is from canada so ntsc.

I am going to look into that thing you are talking about madVR for mpc hc, My pc is an 8core 1800x amd with 32gb ram with a gtx 1080 so I am solid for handling anything thrown at it for a long long whille. if you know of any download links for getting this thing cause I never have luck getting to find this stuff that would be great.
Post edited July 07, 2017 by UnrealQuakie