See, I tried to find info about X670 and everyone seems to be saying that it's not actually coming, and that the only reason we hear about it is because someone misprinted X670 somewhere. Supposedly we would've heard much more about it by now if it were actually coming. That's the impression I get, and honestly it makes sense. I mean 5000 series is right around the corner, and if board vendors had such boards, they would already start showing up on the stores' catalogs along with the CPUs. And it's not like the current chipsets are old, they started unveiling them last winter right? Less than a year ago.

I really doubt that there is X670 now. Maybe, a very big maybe, there's a Zen 3+ refresh and a new chipset in the coming year from now (since I assume it'll be at least 2 years before we see a new gen chip from AMD). There's already been X370, X470, X570, not to mention the cheaper B chipsets. One more would probably be excessive, given that we're already getting the final CPUs for AM4 socket.. Still not 100% decided but I will probably get the 5900X. I'll probably also get a 5600X (and a board) for my little sister.

Ok I just went ahead and bought two of those Tomahawks. And some RAM. And a new case. And a little M.2 NVMe drive. And a new GPU, and some fans..

Guess I'm pretty much just waiting for the CPUs to hit the stores now.

Let me know how it performs. I'm on a B450 MSI board, and I love it. It's a mini ITX form factor. I don't have any reason to upgrade the motherboard at this time, but it's something I've considered.

I'll decide between big navi and ampere based on their value proposition. I just hope big navi is competitive so that the prices drop further. I am currently using a 1660 ti based laptop with a ryzen 7 cpu.

I hope AMD gets their gpu driver issues sorted out and they can slay the three headed dragon this year.

With Intel likely to make a foray into the GPU market and Imagination set to make an eventual return to desktops, things are looking up for consumers on the graphics front. A competitive PC market is a win for end users.

What do you mean driver issues? I personally never owned an AMD GPU after the AMD HD6950 2gb, Only issue I had was the lag mouse on the top right corner of the screen issue that was a thing for a while I believe.

Are the drivers bad for the graphics side of things? Please give me all the details, I would love to know everything.

RDNA (Navi) cards had "some" driver issues for a while, most users reported crashing, screen flickering and black screen. Some were quickly fixed but others issues stayed for months.

Please note that AMD only showed benchmarks without raytracing and with their (6900XTXXXLwhatever its name) card overclocked.

That OC card with a 5950x will be beastly for 3d applications.

I don't care for raytracing lol. Not gonna let one little lighting feature that eats your fps to determine raw fps performance per dollar to rule it. so far I need to find out if driver support is gonna be good or not, that is the big thing.

And DLSS is cheating, I find it to be a thing for devs who rush there games and cant optimize it to run right will for sure run with DLSS as a thing to make it run with high fps at 4k or whatever.

I use a 2080ti and this will be a major jump for 4k gaming for me but DLSS and raytracing does not sell me on it :(

They do have one RT benchmark on their website which shows a ~14x increase in raytracing performance over software. Grain of salt of course, since it isn't a real world application but the raw power seems to be there and the infinity cache ought to be marvelous for raytracing's memory needs.

The overclocking is a bit of a misnomer though. We've had AIB leaks with higher clocks, up to 2.4Ghz. SAM and Rage being added is a more valid complaint also, since...

Ampere is effectively overclocked out of the box, it has almost literally no overclocking headroom and its power profile is both very high in absolute terms and has it adding 100W for the last 10% performance- which is a typical overclock power curve rather than a typical release card power curve.

I just repeat myself: We better wait for proper, independent tests.

Interesting that if you have a 5xx series motherboard and 5xxx series processor you can gain a bit more speed. Just a few percent but still.

The AMD graphics drivers still have issues. As I said earlier in the thread, my system has reset because the drivers (and BIOS) come set incorrectly and you have to manually adjust them.

In my case, I had to install "Normal" BIOS over top of the "High Performance" BIOS on the gpu, as well as set a custom fan curve which I might no longer need since my graphics card has stopped overheating since replacing the BIOS.

Also note that with freesync enabled, my monitor flickers very frequently, but I deal with it because I hate screen tearing. Considering turning it off though, if I'm being honest.

There are other issues, including some older games just refusing to work. For example, Harbinger will load and play, but there are gigantic greenscreen boxes over every interactable on the screen.

I'd say in this case there's a 99.5% chance that the game itself is broken. Fwiw there are reports of people having visual glitches on NVidia hardware as well as under wine (in 2010! "transparency effects seem to be replaced by green boxes").

There's a number of things that affect how exactly it manifests e.g. when a game uses uninitialized or freed memory. So changing your GPU driver or OS or just about anything else in the system may change the end result for the better or worse, but in the end it's the game, and it boils down to luck.

In terms of raw performance, AMD is looking pretty good. However, we'll have to see how good the ray-tracing performance is in the real world. Nvidia also has the DLSS trump card.
DLSS looks better than native in certain instances. It's not cheating, it's being efficient. Nevertheless, I am optimistic about AMD being competitive on the gpu front again.. But wait...AMD has fidelity fx and you can't get Ampere as of now.

AMD and nVidia have achitectures better suited for different kind of trace collisions so depending on how a game is coded it is going to favor one instead of another.