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CymTyr: I know nothing about intel cpu's otherwise I'd offer to help system build. Sorry : /
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dtgreene: I'm looking to build a new AMD based system with a Ryzen 3400G anyway.

(Note that I got an Intel CPU because, at the time, Intel was better than AMD; my previous computer before that was an AMD Athlon XP (IIRC) because Intel's Pentium 4 was not that good. (Note that the Athlon XP was so old that it lacked long mode, and therefore could not run 64-bit code at all.)

Actually, there is one characteristic of that old AMD computer that I really liked, and would be nice to have on my new computer when I built it; the computer was really quiet while idle. In fact, the fans might not have been running at all while idle, and there was no overheating issue. (The fans would come on when needed, of course.) (I note that this computer was a prebuilt, but I think it actually didn't come with an OS.)
Let me know if you want some help system building when you're ready. I have chat turned off, but could add you as a friend and turn it back on for friends only.
-Cym
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Gede: I imagine it will be unlikely we will see new AM4 motherboards. How noticeable are the fans on the X570?

An 8 core 64W 5700 makes sense, so I suppose I'll wait for the AMD response to Rocket Lake. Then I'll consider my options. I suspect that prices will be important now that performance is similar.

As for the graphics card, I'm on the AMD camp (OSS drivers). However, the new cards are expensive and the older cards may be less reliable. Perhaps it will be wiser to wait and see if AMD releases newer mid-tier cards. They are fighting team green on the high ground, and at the same time they have team blue nibbling at their feet on the lower ground. AMD has to act to secure the high volume market and lowering the prices of their older chips may not be enough.
At least I'm really looking for that AV1 hardware support, lower power consumption and higher computing power of their RDNA2. Oh, and gaming performance also, I guess.
Definitely wait on a GPU until both companies release their full line-up. Now that they are both close in performance the competition will be fierce. Right now they are making limited quantities of high-end cards that are easily sold out to the "i want the best new tech" guys and scammers so they have no reason to lower prices.

But as soon as they reveal lower models and increase production they will start competing in prices as well. This generation is a great time to get a good value out of your money because finally there is big competition.

I only have a humble 1050Ti but boy did that card made good on its money. I bought it for 150 at the start of that generation of cards and is still at the same price or more and is just a small low noise little one fan card that helps with airflow in your PC case and consumes so little power that you don't even need extra power supply. It is just plug and play.
And yeah if you don't care about over 1080p gaming on modern titles then it can do the job great.
I made good on my money last time around so i am definitely looking to make good on them this time too.
I would strongly encourage people to wait before buying AMD graphics cards. The 5700 XT I have is still causing CTD's depending on what I'm doing. I never had this problem with my GTX 1060 nvidia card.
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CymTyr: I would strongly encourage people to wait before buying AMD graphics cards. The 5700 XT I have is still causing CTD's depending on what I'm doing. I never had this problem with my GTX 1060 nvidia card.
CTD?
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CymTyr: I would strongly encourage people to wait before buying AMD graphics cards. The 5700 XT I have is still causing CTD's depending on what I'm doing. I never had this problem with my GTX 1060 nvidia card.
I concur. Waiting for independent reviews to confirm performance numbers and stability. Anyone would rather have a card that offers a stable 120 fps instead of something that fluctuates between 90 and 144 fps, no?

That being said, should AMD's rx 6000 deliver on its promises then I am going completely team red this year.

As I have a huge backlog of games, I won't be jumping on a new purchase right away. Shall wait till the first or second quarter, and I expect supply and demand woes to get resolved by then.

Experience has taught me that being an early adopter does not always pay rich dividends. I'd also avoid getting Nvidia's mid tier and lower cards for now. Reckon that the VRAM on offer does not make it future proof, bandwidth notwithstanding. 10 gb may prove to be too less for gaming at resolutions beyond 4K.
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Phasmid: Completely wrong for Ryzen, RAM speed makes a big difference mostly due to Infinity Fabric clock being tied to RAM frequency (up to ~3600Mhz RAM/ 1800Mhz IF). Especially so if the chip involved is an APU. Doesn't make much difference for Intel though, something like 2-3% so may not be worth it.

Supposedly IF speed was going to be decoupled from RAM for 5000 series per some new BIOS entries, but everything I've seen suggests it hasn't been.
yea like how in Total War Warhammer the difference between 2133 and 3600XMP was like 4 to 7 fps and maybe 1 or 2 errors

of course total war is a notorious bad engine

still YOU would really need that infinity fabric to go aaaallll the way

( snickers )

go go go go for that 100 point point increase in i use dedicated video makers to measure my cool sea pee you
I guess the brightwit above would never notice a 30% difference in perf.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/jqm8d8/performance_gains_from_memory_oc_on_3900x5900x/
Post edited November 09, 2020 by clarry
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Radiance1979: yea like how in Total War Warhammer the difference between 2133 and 3600XMP was like 4 to 7 fps and maybe 1 or 2 errors
Now try that with integrated graphics and you may have a pleasent susprise...
Some games really depend on the speed of memory or fast memory access.
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Radiance1979: yea like how in Total War Warhammer the difference between 2133 and 3600XMP was like 4 to 7 fps and maybe 1 or 2 errors
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Dark_art_: Now try that with integrated graphics and you may have a pleasent susprise...
Some games really depend on the speed of memory or fast memory access.
Integrated graphics? i have integrated graphics you know, never tried it so far, might as well give it a shot and pull the cords from the 2060super i'm using as a dedicated card, still i'm with intel atm... big bad intel that took away support for speeds higher then 26666 mhz for the 10600k not to mention the B board i'm using which prevents the any form of overclocking outside gpu overclocking

but on topic

playing a title such as total war warhammer with integrated graphics seems a bit.... you know, lets only try that in the most dire of circumstances, like i'm totally aiming myself at a game with minimum requirements so the IG seems like a valid sane choice for me atm ( if i forget that a 2060 super in idle almost does not consume any power but that is not on topic )

I can certainly belief that in certain situations higher memory speed will bring many benefits but not in the previously discussed territory of benchmarks that are almost standard done on machines equipped with top tier equipment

its almost disgusting to see vloggers such as Linus or Jays multiple cents spending entire episodes on the valhalla that is called overclocking
Post edited November 09, 2020 by Radiance1979
just ripped the 2060 from my pc, installed the latest intel display drivers, really i was already happy that the system would boot, had the intel program search for supported games, turned out warhammer 2 is among those and booted the game up, changed the settings to recommended, which is low, and continued my current casual empire hunters campaign...
LOL .... 9 fps, like really ... intel UHD 630 is for now not up to the task, but if they manage to crank the next one up to at least 1050Ti level, which is rumored then that would be at least something ( medium/high 60 fps in warhammer language )

i leave it be for now.

with a current taste for wargames i can at least see if the loss of the gpu hampers the working of those games that according to the specs literally can run on air ( distant worlds for example or panzer corps , just checked out gladius too which struggles to keep it on 30 fps on medium settings )
I'm on the opposite upgrade cycle. I just went from a 2500u to a 4600h.
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SumofOne: I only have a humble 1050Ti but boy did that card made good on its money. I bought it for 150 at the start of that generation of cards and is still at the same price or more and is just a small low noise little one fan card that helps with airflow in your PC case and consumes so little power that you don't even need extra power supply. It is just plug and play.
Sounds delicious. Too bad it is an NVIDIA. I wish we saw more cards like that. Everything seems to be about 300€ and above, 3 fans and two slots.

BTW, I see some screens that provides USB connections and use USB as input. New cards seem to have that USB output, but if it is absent, can I just connect the screen to a regular USB port and use the screen as a USB hub (charging and data)?
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clarry: I guess the brightwit above would never notice a 30% difference in perf.
Well yeah, someone who has managed to pair a B series board with a K series processor isn't going to make me lose any sleep considering their opinion. There's a pretty obvious reason for downplaying the effects of overclocking with that set up.

For RAM overclocking a bit below 10% is more typical, much above that requires extensive training, expensive RAM, an APU where the improvement compounds or all three.

The recommendation makes perfect sense anyway because it's 10% increase in performance for basically no increase in price- here it's actually cheaper at the moment to get 2x8 3200Mhz than 2133 (none unavailable) or 2400 Mhz- and for no increase in price you might as well get it even if you're on Intel Z series and the difference is only 2%.
That massive 30% increase is in a very few programs with many more gaining less but even maybe 20--25% increase in a game that is really struggling to each 50 F/s is VERY nice.

Intel processors see a lower increase. This is a fact. Raising your RAM speed beyond the spd value breaks your guarantee for the Intel processor.

Locked systems will use the spd speed so make sure that is a decent value and not 2133. my RAM's spd value is 2666, I found out when building my system as that is what it defaulted to but the one click overclocking (XMP/AMP) found in overclocking friendly motherboards took it to the promised speed and manual testing a bit further (but not much :-( ).
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CymTyr: I would strongly encourage people to wait before buying AMD graphics cards. The 5700 XT I have is still causing CTD's depending on what I'm doing. I never had this problem with my GTX 1060 nvidia card.
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SumofOne: CTD?
Crash to Desktop. I just had to refund The Suffering and Suffering: Ties that Bind because they kept crashing, and F.E.A.R. wouldn't let me move my mouse anywhere on screen. While not crashing, FEAR was annoying since it was still unplayable.