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BreOl72: I'm pretty sure, in the US it's not illegal, because "free speech".
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paladin181: It actually falls under an unprotected class call hate speech.
Now, how far one has to go for their speech to be considered hate speech is a big issue here for just that reason.
You know - when I see people in the US march under the swastika flag, showing the Hitler salute and screaming "Sieg Heil!", without facing any legal consequences, I'm inclined to believe that in the US it's not illegal.

If there are laws against this kind of behaviour, but these laws aren't enforced (again: because of "free speech!") - it's like there are no laws against this kind of behaviour.

I think the US should have a hard stare into the mirror and decide, once and for all, whether they want to be a country that holds people accountable for their hateful rhetoric, or a country where ""free speech" covers all, except yelling "fire!" in a crowded theatre".
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BreOl72: You know - when I see people in the US march under the swastika flag, showing the Hitler salute and screaming "Sieg Heil!", without facing any legal consequences, I'm inclined to believe that in the US it's not illegal.

If there are laws against this kind of behaviour, but these laws aren't enforced (again: because of "free speech!") - it's like there are no laws against this kind of behaviour.

I think the US should have a hard stare into the mirror and decide, once and for all, whether they want to be a country that holds people accountable for their hateful rhetoric, or a country where ""free speech" covers all, except yelling "fire!" in a crowded theatre".
That has recently changed. Those groups have been labeled as domestic terrorists, and much of their most extreme speech is no longer considered protected. One of the few things the government has done right in the last... LONG LONG time.
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LootHunter: No, I don't. I've already said - my answer to your question "Whose freedom of speech is being affected here?" is on another site. I've posted it already.
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my name is grompy catte: Without a link. So you may as well not have bothered, if you did at all.
If you weren't so interested in avoiding giving an answer you would have posted it here.
Catte, why are you wasting your time?
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LegoDnD: Switching out one flag for another isn't "aimed" against anyone.
If you truly believe it had no agenda and it was randomly chosen flag with no meaning then there is nothing to talk about here.
Of course it is not true, but if you want to pretend so, then I don't know what to say.
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paladin181: That has recently changed. Those groups have been labeled as domestic terrorists, and much of their most extreme speech is no longer considered protected. One of the few things the government has done right in the last... LONG LONG time.
Well, I'll believe it, when I see people being indicted and sentenced for it.
So far, I haven't seen any evidence in that regard.
Mind you - I'm not saying, you're lying...just that I haven't seen anything to back up that statement of yours.
But I hope you're right.
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Vitek: If you truly believe it had no agenda and it was randomly chosen flag with no meaning then there is nothing to talk about here.
Of course it is not true, but if you want to pretend so, then I don't know what to say.
I play Just Cause 2 with Rico switched out with a stripper. Nothing about this is a slight against the protagonist, I just think it funny and in the spirit of nudism for this parachuting action hero to be a naked woman and nobody treats her different. The flag mod will let people recreate moments from the old Spiderman trilogy, if nothing else.
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my name is grompy catte: Without a link.
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LootHunter: Why do you need a link? Isn't the main argument in favor of corporate censorship that no corporation can control the whole Internet, so if someone is blocked on one site or forum or social network, that person can go to another site and publish anything there? If Nexus Mod banned the flag mod author, he can publish his mod on another site, and everyone interested can find it there without any links from Nexus Mod (since the author is banned he can't post any links). Right? Well, if you're interested in the answer, you can find it without a link from this forum.
But you aren't banned here (any more) so you're free to post in the discussion here. The fact that you choose to (pretend to) post your answer elsewhere tells me that you don't have a real argument to make.
To humour your ridiculous point for a moment, if someone wanted the "flag mod" they could find it with google. The difference between that situation and this is your answer isn't something I particularly want. If it was posted here I would read it in order to respond to you, but it's not something I need or want.
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my name is grompy catte: Without a link. So you may as well not have bothered, if you did at all.
If you weren't so interested in avoiding giving an answer you would have posted it here.
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BreOl72: Catte, why are you wasting your time?
I find it somewhat amusing to let LootHunter dig themselves into a hole of stupidity. They don't have a real point, and the number of hoops they're willing to jump through to avoid admitting that is funny.
Post edited August 21, 2022 by my name is grompy catte
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my name is grompy catte: I find it somewhat amusing to let LootHunter dig themselves into a hole of stupidity. They don't have a real point, and the number of hoops they're willing to jump through to avoid admitting that is funny.
Oh, I agree...for a bystander the amusement factor is immense. And if you got nothing better to do...carry on! :)
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my name is grompy catte: I find it somewhat amusing to let LootHunter dig themselves into a hole of stupidity. They don't have a real point, and the number of hoops they're willing to jump through to avoid admitting that is funny.
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BreOl72: Oh, I agree...for a bystander the amusement factor is immense. And if you got nothing better to do...carry on! :)
Sunday afternoon. I'm basically procrastinating instead of doing household chores. :P
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my name is grompy catte: The fact that you choose to (pretend to) post your answer elsewhere tells me that you don't have a real argument to make.
No. THIS IS my argument. If you think that posting on some obscure site instead of a well-known forum is no big deal and anyone forced to do so isn't at a disadvantage in delivering information, you shouldn't have a problem with me posting an answer somewhere else. However, if you DO think that finding something posted on an obscure site is harder than something on a well-known forum (or mod catalog) - then you should admit that ban harms the mod creator and understand what those, who have to search for the mods god-knows-where, complain about.

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my name is grompy catte: To humour your ridiculous point for a moment, if someone wanted the "flag mod" they could find it with google.
Unless google would remove links to the mod from search. As of late the engine quite often omits "politically unwanted" results.

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my name is grompy catte: The difference between that situation and this is your answer isn't something I particularly want.
If you don't want the answer, then don't ask me for it.
Post edited August 21, 2022 by LootHunter
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LootHunter:
There is an obvious difference. You can download the mod from somewhere else if you know where it is (or if the page is indexed by a search engine).

What you're doing is like going into the garden an verbally talking to a tree in the middle of an discussion, then going back to the discussion and saying “guess what I told the tree”.
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LootHunter: No. THIS IS my argument. If you think that posting on some obscure site instead of a well-known forum is no big deal and anyone forced to do so isn't at a disadvantage in delivering information, you shouldn't have a problem with me posting an answer somewhere else. However, if you DO think that finding something posted on an obscure site is harder than something on a well-known forum - then you should understand what those, who have to search for the mods god-knows-where, complain about.
__________

Unless google would remove links to the mod from search. As of late the engine quite often omits "politically unwanted" results.
__________

If you don't want the answer, then don't ask me for it.
Again, you're comparing a mod - which is a thing people download because they want it - with a single reply in a discussion. Anyone can find a mod that they want by searching. Finding a single response from a discussion that is randomly somewhere else is a completely different (and nonsensical) situation.

I asked for the answer because you evaded the question but tried to carry on the discussion. If you had simply not responded at all I would have completely forgotten the discussion.

EDIT: I should probably go and do the washing up.
I don't particularly want your answer so I won't ask for it again. That obviously means the discussion is over though because you've metaphorically taken your ball and gone home.
Post edited August 21, 2022 by my name is grompy catte
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my name is grompy catte: Sunday afternoon. I'm basically procrastinating instead of doing household chores. :P
Don't we all? XD
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LootHunter:
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mk47at: There is an obvious difference. You can download the mod from somewhere else if you know where it is (or if the page is indexed by a search engine).

What you're doing is like going into the garden an verbally talking to a tree in the middle of an discussion, then going back to the discussion and saying “guess what I told the tree”.
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my name is grompy catte: Again, you're comparing a mod - which is a thing people download because they want it - with a single reply in a discussion. Anyone can find a mod that they want by searching. Finding a single response from a discussion that is randomly somewhere else is a completely different (and nonsensical) situation.

I asked for the answer because you evaded the question but tried to carry on the discussion. If you had simply not responded at all I would have completely forgotten the discussion.
Go for the most charitable interpretation : The situation is similar to the mod's, and sensible (and the comparison makes sense) if LootHunter's answer is incompatible with GOG's CoC, though.

And as with the mod, if that's the case, it's neither a big loss nor a particularly interesting bject of curiosity.
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mk47at: What you're doing is like going into the garden an verbally talking to a tree in the middle of an discussion, then going back to the discussion and saying “guess what I told the tree”.
I would compare it more to "leaving a conversation after getting asked something, walking into a forest, carving the response to that question in some tree, and then returning to the conversation, telling the questioner: "you can find my answer to your question in the forest!""

Edit: exchanged word
Post edited August 21, 2022 by BreOl72