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Posted August 21, 2022
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amok: Human trafficiing is illega in itself, and there is a loss of all your freedoms.
And? If someone would make human trafficking legal, that would suddenly make you free when you are trafficked?

Again, you (out of ignorance or malice) conflate freedom of speech and First Amendment of the US Constitution. First Amendment protects freedom of speech from government. But it doesn't say anything about private corporations, so it's legal for corporations to take away freedom of speech. But it doen't change the fact that they DO take away freedom of speech.
Posted August 21, 2022
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amok: Human trafficiing is illega in itself, and there is a loss of all your freedoms.
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LootHunter: And? If someone would make human trafficking legal, that would suddenly make you free when you are trafficked?
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amok: Human trafficiing is illega in itself, and there is a loss of all your freedoms.
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LootHunter: Again, you (out of ignorance or malice) conflate freedom of speech and First Amendment of the US Constitution. First Amendment protects freedom of speech from government. But it doesn't say anything about private corporations, so it's legal for corporations to take away freedom of speech. But it doen't change the fact that they DO take away freedom of speech.
no I do not. this again just shows your ignorance. I do not care about the US constitution, as Britt that would be silly, as well as making these arguments in a international forum.
Posted August 21, 2022
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amok: I do not care about the US constitution, as Britt
As Britt you don't have freedom of speech. End of story.
Posted August 21, 2022
Guys, can you stop flaming? Those who make a clownshow out of everything they dislike and overuse the forum reputation system is somehow understandable. But can you take your whataboutism arguing to private? Heck! This right vs left holywar on GOG is getting hilariously bad. No wonder most decent folks already abandoned this forum.
Posted August 21, 2022
Good on them.

We shouldn't tolerate intolerance.
Posted August 21, 2022
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Indeed they should.

There shouldn't be such a thing as "Nexus Mods not wanting to," unless the mod is illegal, which this one is not.

Other than mods being illegal, the mod hosting platforms should have no opinion on the mods and they certainly should not be censoring mods for political and/or ideological reasons, which this recent debacle is a definite example of.

And censorship by biased mod platforms as cited in the OP also shows a huge flaw with a sentiment that is often expressed on this very board, where GOG users say things like "Steam Workshop is horrible and mod creators need to host their mods on Nexus and ModDB instead."

But Nexus' and ModDB's tyrannical censorship actions prove that they are horrible platforms too that are just as bad, if not worse, than Steam Workshop.
You say they removing the mod is censorship and it is apparent you are not fan of it. Don't you think the mod doing what it does isn't censorship as well. Even more if the rumor it is taken from middle-eastern version of the game. They are clearly censoring the game yet you seem to have no problem with the action the said mod took.
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LegoDnD: It's a given law that mods never do harm, even when they depict it.
And there is some line where changing characters is harming while changing objects is not?
Someone is working on mod removing all POC from the game. I guess you would consider that doing harm and would be against that? But if they just put hateful posters against them all over the game it is something you would have no problem with? Is that not doing harm when it is clearly aimed against some group of people?
Post edited August 21, 2022 by Vitek
Posted August 21, 2022
What a cascade of hypocrisy. As always, deflecting the real background "issue" (oh noes, nexus isn't homophobic) to what is expected to be seen as consensual values (oh noes, the people is not allowed to express itself). The usual rationalization and rhetorical masking.

By people who are used to instrumentalize a hollowed, abstract notion of "freedom of speech" for absolutely anything, including to silence (!) cultural critique when convenient. It's a tired joke, by now.
Posted August 21, 2022
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Catventurer: I found your violin!
Now go play a mournful tune for the right-whiners.
Aww, that's one cute little violin.
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BlueMooner: I dislike an OP that rambles and doesn't make a clear statement on what the thread is about.

After having to click on more links to figure out that this is just more right wing whining about "persecution", I have to point out that these are the same people who constantly tell gays to stop whining about representation in media, who constantly whine about pandering and virtue signalling and identity politics. "Go somewhere else if you don't like it" they say.

Well I suggest you take your own advice.
QFT
100% agreement!
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LootHunter: First of all, your example is faulty as Nazi propaganda would be illegal anyways.
Depends on the country you live in.
I'm pretty sure, in the US it's not illegal, because "free speech".
Post edited August 21, 2022 by BreOl72
Posted August 21, 2022
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amok: no, who did this? provide a link
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LootHunter: Why does it matter who did this?
Because if you can't provide a link, it's just some bullshit you made up. That's why.
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rojimboo: We shouldn't tolerate intolerance.
Bingo!
Of course, now those reveling in their intolerance will come forward and say: "oh, but you being intolerant to my oppinion is ok? Hypocrite!"

But that's the one exception to the rule, that I allow:
if your intolerance is able to hurt other people, it isn't protected by my tolerance.
Post edited August 21, 2022 by BreOl72
Posted August 21, 2022
The mod would be censorship if it was mandatory. That you so drastically don't understand the difference freedom of choice makes is rather troubling.
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Vitek: And there is some line where changing characters is harming while changing objects is not?
Someone is working on mod removing all POC from the game. I guess you would consider that doing harm and would be against that? But if they just put hateful posters against them all over the game it is something you would have no problem with? Is that not doing harm when it is clearly aimed against some group of people?
Maybe that person is the same Disney hired for their Chinese posters; not my concern because I'm not going to download it and it's not "harmful" because anyone else bothered by the mod would be wise to fallow my lead. Switching out one flag for another isn't "aimed" against anyone.
Posted August 21, 2022
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my name is grompy catte: You haven't answered my question. Whose freedom of speech is being affected here?
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LootHunter: Because you added it after my answer to you.

UPD Okay, I've posted an answer on another site.
No, it's right there in the quote in the post in which you avoid answering my question.
Posted August 21, 2022
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my name is grompy catte: you avoid answering my question.
No, I don't. I've already said - my answer to your question "Whose freedom of speech is being affected here?" is on another site. I've posted it already.
Posted August 21, 2022
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my name is grompy catte: you avoid answering my question.
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LootHunter: No, I don't. I've already said - my answer to your question "Whose freedom of speech is being affected here?" is on another site. I've posted it already.
Without a link. So you may as well not have bothered, if you did at all.
If you weren't so interested in avoiding giving an answer you would have posted it here.
Posted August 21, 2022
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BreOl72: I'm pretty sure, in the US it's not illegal, because "free speech".
It actually falls under an unprotected class call hate speech. Now, how far one has to go for their speech to be considered hate speech is a big issue here for just that reason. You get Klansmen and Westboro Baptist crying "First Amendment" while they attempt to use their speech to deny others Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. So Nazi propaganda isn't "illegal" here until it is, but where that line is specifically is up to people who couldn't care less about who is harmed either way (be it people whose First Amendment rights are actually infringed, or people harmed by what should be unprotected speech).
Posted August 21, 2022
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LootHunter: No, I don't. I've already said - my answer to your question "Whose freedom of speech is being affected here?" is on another site. I've posted it already.
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my name is grompy catte: Without a link.
Why do you need a link? Isn't the main argument in favor of corporate censorship that no corporation can control the whole Internet, so if someone is blocked on one site or forum or social network, that person can go to another site and publish anything there? If Nexus Mod banned the flag mod author, he can publish his mod on another site, and everyone interested can find it there without any links from Nexus Mod (since the author is banned he can't post any links). Right? Well, if you're interested in the answer, you can find it without a link from this forum.
Post edited August 21, 2022 by LootHunter
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