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On one hand, it's their website, on the other, like "The Dude" once said: You're not wrong, you're just an asshole
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LootHunter: So, you are okay with Steam's "License agreement" that allows it to take away your access if they want to? Because that's what you advocating for - "fine print" that is almost never used but in case a corporation wants to, it can do with you whatever it wants.
Ok with it? No. Do I respect their legal right to do so? Yeah. It comes with the territory if you buy games on Steam. GOG has a very similar license agreement. If you haven't backed up a purchase here, it is at risk to be removed from your library.

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LootHunter: Yes, it is. And an anti-discrimination law is an example of a law that doesn't allow corporations to do what they want, despite them being private. So, why discrimination over race, gender or religion is illegal but discrimination based on political views is allowed?
There are limited instances where political affiliation is a protected class, but it is generally only in workplaces that are part of the government. Race and gender are who you are. They are both protected classes. Conservatives or Liberals are not protected classes. Believing that someone rigged an election isn't a religious belief (regardless of how cult-like major parties have become, particularly here in the US). Your political opinion does not put you in a protected class. Religion is protected. Political affiliation and political activity are not.

Here is an article I found which explains US law pertaining to discrimination and how it applies, or doesn't apply in this case, a little better. Of course, you not being an American (or at least in the US at this time) may take issue with it, and that's fair. I'm not familiar with the law of your country, and I can't argue Russian law intelligently.
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Lin545: Yeah, I read about that mod. The explaination is simple.

What mod removed is the ACTUAL flag of the power, which runs the continent and its "friends" and controls everything between financial and cultural planes. Because if you dig deeper and read on historical role of John Money, and that he also tried to "create markets" not only in human, but in vet pharmacy business, and that guy was just one of the many, you get the idea. Its actually six six six and thats why its powerful, thats why it provides freedom or democracy or law without really providing it at all, and so on. But it also makes huge mistakes in actually reacting the way it reacted. Or maybe it riched critical mass, a near singularity, and doesnt need to act smart anymore.
Personaly I think its Illuminati.... or aliens..... or the Illuminati are aliens!
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where does the Lizard people fit in, though.
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my name is grompy catte: bizarre "freedom of speech" angle
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LootHunter: Well, if you think freedom of speech is bizarre...
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what annoys me with you lot and the 'missunderstanding' of what freedom of speech is - this is what it is:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62574102
Post edited August 21, 2022 by amok
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LootHunter: So, you are okay with Steam's "License agreement" that allows it to take away your access if they want to? Because that's what you advocating for - "fine print" that is almost never used but in case a corporation wants to, it can do with you whatever it wants.
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paladin181: Ok with it? No.
Then you shouldn't disagree with OP, who isn't okay with NexusMod enforcing political censorship. Even if it's legal.

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paladin181: Race and gender are who you are.
So are my way of thinking and my life habits. That are reflected in my political views.

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paladin181: Your political opinion does not put you in a protected class. Religion is protected. Political affiliation and political activity are not.
Thanks, Captain. I know that political discrimination is legal (though actually according to your link some states took steps against it) and religious discrimination is illegal. I've asked you - WHY? Why religious beliefs are protected against discrimination and other beliefs aren't?

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paladin181: Of course, you not being an American (or at least in the US at this time) may take issue with it, and that's fair. I'm not familiar with the law of your country, and I can't argue Russian law intelligently.
Well, in Russia discrimination based on ALL characteristics (including personal convictions) is illegal. As long as that characteristic doesn't affect your job performance or isn't outright illegal.


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amok: what annoys me with you lot and the 'missunderstanding' of what freedom of speech is - this is what it is:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62574102
And what annoys ME are links that lead to broken sites that just reload without end. Can you explain what exactly I supposed to see there?
Post edited August 21, 2022 by LootHunter
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LootHunter: [...]
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amok: what annoys me with you lot and the 'missunderstanding' of what freedom of speech is - this is what it is:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-62574102
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LootHunter: And what annoys ME are links that lead to broken sites that just reload without end. Can you explain what exactly I supposed to see there?
A woman arrested for 34 years in Saudi Arabia over a tweet about womens rights that she posted while studing in the UK.

Freedom of speech is the right to express your oppinion without fear of prosecution from the govenrment. It is not the right to have your shit hosted by anyone, nor the right for it to be seen by anyone.

Whoever made this mod is fine, the SWAT teams are not breaking down his door, and he is not looking forwards to a 34 years prison sentence. He is free to post his shit somewhere else who will host it, and the men in black is till not going to come for him.

This is why it is annoying. There are people out there in the real world that faces real problems and have their and their familes lifes destroyed due to for example the lack of freedom of speech, and then we have people like you and your ilk that makes a mockery out of it. well done, in my view your are just as valuable as a slug

edit - and the link is not broken, it is due to your fine government that are now blocking BBC, beacuse..... reasons I guess
Post edited August 21, 2022 by amok
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amok: in my view your are just as valuable as a slug
That's not being very kind to the slug... ;)
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amok: in my view your are just as valuable as a slug
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Trooper1270: That's not being very kind to the slug... ;)
I suppose. at least a slug has some purpose
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amok: Freedom of speech is the right to express your oppinion without fear of prosecution from the govenrment. It is not the right to have your shit hosted by anyone, nor the right for it to be seen by anyone.
So, I guess if you come to your job and your boss locks you up in a closet and turns off your cellular (cellphone company doesn't have to provide you with its services if it doesn't want to), you are still free. Free to walk away or call for help. After all, it's not the government that did it!

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amok: Whoever made this mod is fine, the SWAT teams are not breaking down his door, and he is not looking forwards to a 34 years prison sentence. He is free to post his shit somewhere else who will host it, and the men in black is till not going to come for him.

This is why it is annoying. There are people out there in the real world that faces real problems and have their and their familes lifes destroyed due to for example the lack of freedom of speech
Well, I guess by that metric we don't have problems with the treatment of LGBT+other minorities because we aren't throwing them off the rooftops. XD

And yet there are plenty of, how had you put it,

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amok: and then we have people like you and your ilk that makes a mockery out of it. well done, in my view your are just as valuable as a slug
Ah, yes "people less valuable than a slug", who scream HoMoPhObIa, every time when someone makes a mod like this one.
Post edited August 21, 2022 by LootHunter
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amok: Freedom of speech is the right to express your oppinion without fear of prosecution from the govenrment. It is not the right to have your shit hosted by anyone, nor the right for it to be seen by anyone.
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LootHunter: So, I guess if you come to your job and your boss locks you up in a closet and turns off your cellular (cellphone company doesn't have to provide you with its services if it doesn't want to), you are still free. Free to walk away or call for help. After all, it's not the government that did it!
Who did this? in most countries this would be illegal. however, it has nothing to do with freedom of speech

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amok: Whoever made this mod is fine, the SWAT teams are not breaking down his door, and he is not looking forwards to a 34 years prison sentence. He is free to post his shit somewhere else who will host it, and the men in black is till not going to come for him.

This is why it is annoying. There are people out there in the real world that faces real problems and have their and their familes lifes destroyed due to for example the lack of freedom of speech
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LootHunter: Well, I guess by that metric we don't have problems with the treatment of LGBT+other minorities because we aren't throwing them off the rooftops. XD
Again, equal representation is not about freedom of speech. all you show here is that you do not understand what freedom of speech is.

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LootHunter: And yet there are plenty of, how had you put it,

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amok: and then we have people like you and your ilk that makes a mockery out of it. well done, in my view your are just as valuable as a slug
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LootHunter: Ah, yes "people less valuable than a slug", who scream HoMoPhObIa, every time when someone makes a mod like this one.
sorry? was that supposed to make sense? or was it just a random statement


edit - as you like to make asburd and ridiculous comparisions, I can do the same. What is an alien race came and zapped you with a brain-ray-thingy that made you understand what freedom of speech is. then everything would be fine.
Post edited August 21, 2022 by amok
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LootHunter: So, I guess if you come to your job and your boss locks you up in a closet and turns off your cellular (cellphone company doesn't have to provide you with its services if it doesn't want to), you are still free. Free to walk away or call for help. After all, it's not the government that did it!
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amok: Who did this?
Private company. And according to you if a private company restricts your freedom, it doesn't restrict your freedom.
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amok: Who did this?
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LootHunter: Private company. And according to you if a private company restricts your freedom, it doesn't restrict your freedom.
no, who did this? provide a link
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amok: equal representation is not about freedom of speech
Then why "flag removal" mod is considered against "inclusivity"?
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LootHunter: Private company. And according to you if a private company restricts your freedom, it doesn't restrict your freedom.
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amok: no, who did this? provide a link
Why does it matter who did this?
Post edited August 21, 2022 by LootHunter
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amok: equal representation is not about freedom of speech
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LootHunter: Then why "flag removal" mod is considered against "inclusivity"?
beqcuse you do not understand freedom of speech. inclusivity is not about freedom of speech, but equal representation. these are two different concepts, not realated. as I keep saying - this line of questions only show that you do not understand what freedom of speech is
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amok: no, who did this? provide a link
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LootHunter: Why does it matter who did this?
becuase it is a silly example, which just shows an illegal action which has nothing to do with freedom of speech. again - there are real people in the real world dealing with these issues, and all you can do is show your ignorance and can only try to get a point by making unrealistc and stupidly ridiciluos analogs (which don't even prove your point). if noone did this (beacuse no one would ever do this, it is illegal and ilogical) then your example just falls flat

as said in the edit above: "as you like to make asburd and ridiculous comparisions, I can do the same. What if an alien race came and zapped you with a brain-ray-thingy that made you understand what freedom of speech is. then everything would be fine."
Post edited August 21, 2022 by amok
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amok: you do not understand freedom of speech
You are the one, who doesn't understand that freedom of speech - is literally freedom. Of speech. It doesn't matter if it's government goons or corporate thugs, who prevent you to speak to others. You aren't free.

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amok: becuase it is a silly example unrealistc and stupidly ridiciluos
Yeah, human trafficking (because what I've described happens in those cases) is silly and unrealistic.</sarcasm>
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amok: you do not understand freedom of speech
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LootHunter: You are the one, who doesn't understand that freedom of speech - is literally freedom. Of speech. It doesn't matter if it's government goons or corporate thugs, who prevent you to speak to others. You aren't free.
and there you have it, ignorance shows itself. QED

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amok: becuase it is a silly example unrealistc and stupidly ridiciluos
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LootHunter: Yeah, human trafficking (because what I've described happens in those cases) is silly and unrealistic.</sarcasm>
next - compare me with Hitler. we are talking freedom of speech, not human trafficing. again - two different comcepts. Human trafficiing is illega in itself, and there is a loss of all your freedoms. please stay on topic.