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Posted August 21, 2022
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I dislike an OP that rambles and doesn't make a clear statement on what the thread is about.

After having to click on more links to figure out that this is just more right wing whining about "persecution", I have to point out that these are the same people who constantly tell gays to stop whining about representation in media, who constantly whine about pandering and virtue signalling and identity politics. "Go somewhere else if you don't like it" they say.

Well I suggest you take your own advice.
Posted August 21, 2022
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Lin545: Thats awesome, exactly like Matrix.
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my name is grompy catte: Sorry, I don't really understand the analogy.
https://matrix.fandom.com/wiki/The_Architect

Literally everything in that article takes place and applies.
Posted August 21, 2022
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my name is grompy catte: Sorry, I don't really understand the analogy.
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Lin545: https://matrix.fandom.com/wiki/The_Architect

Literally everything in that article takes place and applies.
I don't understand how it applies to the discussion at hand. Especially how it applies to my statement "they don't need to justify their opinion on what they're willing to host or not".
Posted August 21, 2022
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Lin545: Yeah, I read about that mod. The explaination is simple.

What mod removed is the ACTUAL flag of the power, which runs the continent and its "friends" and controls everything between financial and cultural planes. Because if you dig deeper and read on historical role of John Money, and that he also tried to "create markets" not only in human, but in vet pharmacy business, and that guy was just one of the many, you get the idea. Its actually six six six and thats why its powerful, thats why it provides freedom or democracy or law without really providing it at all, and so on. But it also makes huge mistakes in actually reacting the way it reacted. Or maybe it riched critical mass, a near singularity, and doesnt need to act smart anymore.
Please, make sense of something you post before you post it - or dont post. I know diahorrea is a horrible thing to go through - and no doubt more so when its verbally inclined, but please keep that keyboard spatter of nonsense to yourself and away from people.
Cheers and dont be afraid to read some verifiable facts. :)
Posted August 21, 2022
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Lin545: https://matrix.fandom.com/wiki/The_Architect

Literally everything in that article takes place and applies.
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my name is grompy catte: I don't understand how it applies to the discussion at hand. Especially how it applies to my statement "they don't need to justify their opinion on what they're willing to host or not".
Good question!

Per rule of the good tact and good manners I should indeed explain that.
However, I "don't need to justify (my) opinion on what (I am) willing to (post) or not".

I can take any rule out, shuffle them, modify, create bypass corridors for the chosen so long it fits my own vision. The rules are literally there so long they are beneficent to my case.. to how I shape and run things... since I am in control of the source. Everything below is irrelevant, even human life.

Of course, rules apply, so long they make you happy, so long that state (and your existence as such) is beneficent .. for me.

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Sachys: Please, make sense of something you post before you post it - or dont post. I know diahorrea is a horrible thing to go through - and no doubt more so when its verbally inclined, but please keep that keyboard spatter of nonsense to yourself and away from people.
Cheers and dont be afraid to read some verifiable facts. :)
Cake for you, flush for me =) Cheers!
Post edited August 21, 2022 by Lin545
Posted August 21, 2022
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my name is grompy catte: I don't understand how it applies to the discussion at hand. Especially how it applies to my statement "they don't need to justify their opinion on what they're willing to host or not".
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Lin545: Good question!

Per rule of the good tact and good manners I should indeed explain that.
However, I "don't need to justify (my) opinion on what (I am) willing to (post) or not".

I can take any rule out, shuffle them, modify, create bypass corridors for the chosen so long it fits my own vision. The rules are literally there so long they are beneficent to my case.. to how I shape and run things... since I am in control of the source. Everything below is irrelevant, even human life.

Of course, rules apply, so long they make you happy, so long that state (and your existence as such) is beneficent .. for me.
But why shouldn't the owner of a website decide what they will and won't host on it? Nexus isn't a regulated public service after all. They can host what they want (within the realms of legality). Their control is limited to their own website, so I really don't see the comparison to the Architect. The owner of Nexus mods is not removing things from other websites.
Post edited August 21, 2022 by my name is grompy catte
Posted August 21, 2022
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my name is grompy catte: Apart from the fact they don't need to justify their opinion on what they're willing to host or not,...
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Lin545: Thats awesome, exactly like Matrix.
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Catventurer: I found your violin!
Now go play a mournful tune for the right-whiners.
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Lin545: I believe this is the violin (Волына, Wolyna): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dIQefqv7mM and yes, in slang, its "played" on.
I really don't understand what you're trying to say here, and my backlog is too big for any lengthy discussions so... bye now! :)
Posted August 21, 2022
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my name is grompy catte: bizarre "freedom of speech" angle
Well, if you think freedom of speech is bizarre...
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Dryspace: It offers what all mods are supposed to offer: freedom of choice.
We aren't allowed to have those anymore.
Post edited August 21, 2022 by LootHunter
Posted August 21, 2022
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: Indeed they should.

There shouldn't be such a thing as "Nexus Mods not wanting to," unless the mod is illegal, which this one is not.

Other than mods being illegal, the mod hosting platforms should have no opinion on the mods and they certainly should not be censoring mods for political and/or ideological reasons, which this recent debacle is a definite example of.

And censorship by biased mod platforms as cited in the OP also shows a huge flaw with a sentiment that is often expressed on this very board, where GOG users say things like "Steam Workshop is horrible and mod creators need to host their mods on Nexus and ModDB instead."

But Nexus' and ModDB's tyrannical censorship actions prove that they are horrible platforms too that are just as bad, if not worse, than Steam Workshop.
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paladin181: This is the equivalent of saying that you allow people to put some signs in your yard. Then someone puts a sign in your yard saying the Nazis were right. The implication is already that you agree with it because you allow the sign in your yard. Should you, the owner of said yard be forced to allow signs that diametrically oppose what you believe in, and by association mean that you AGREE with that? All because you have agreed that some people are allowed to post signs on your lawn? Or do you, as a private citizen have the right to say "That sign goes too far, and I won't have it on my property."
First of all, your example is faulty as Nazi propaganda would be illegal anyways.

Second, if you declared that everyone can make a sign and put it on your lawn and make an entire business around people putting their signs on your lawn, you should be held to your word. Imagine, if you invite people to your lawn but then refuse to, I don't know, black people - because that's your private lawn and you are to decide who is allowed on it.
Post edited August 21, 2022 by LootHunter
Posted August 21, 2022
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my name is grompy catte: bizarre "freedom of speech" angle
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LootHunter: Well, if you think freedom of speech is bizarre...
I think it's bizarre to try and apply it to a situation it doesn't apply to, certainly. To put it another way, whose freedom of speech is being affected here?
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Posted August 21, 2022
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LootHunter: Well, if you think freedom of speech is bizarre...
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my name is grompy catte: I think it's bizarre to try and apply it to a situation it doesn't apply to, certainly. To put it another way, whose freedom of speech is being affected here?
Freedom of speech doesn't apply to private companies? Then why there are regular backlashes for companies "silencing female voices" or "minority voices"? Or Disney censoring posters for China? They are private companies - they can say what they want.
Posted August 21, 2022
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my name is grompy catte: I think it's bizarre to try and apply it to a situation it doesn't apply to, certainly. To put it another way, whose freedom of speech is being affected here?
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LootHunter: Freedom of speech doesn't apply to private companies? Then why there are regular backlashes for companies "silencing female voices" or "minority voices"? Or Disney censoring posters for China? They are private companies - they can say what they want.
You haven't answered my question. Whose freedom of speech is being affected here?
Posted August 21, 2022
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my name is grompy catte: You haven't answered my question. Whose freedom of speech is being affected here?
Because you added it after my answer to you.

UPD Okay, I've posted an answer on another site.
Post edited August 21, 2022 by LootHunter
Posted August 21, 2022
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LootHunter: First of all, your example is faulty as Nazi propaganda would be illegal anyways.

Second, if you declared that everyone can make a sign and put it on your lawn and make an entire business around people putting their signs on your lawn, you should be held to your word. Imagine, if you invite people to your lawn but then refuse to, I don't know, black people - because that's your private lawn and you are to decide who is allowed on it.
Whether or not the sign is illegal is not the point. Let's say it says you molest children. Or whatever. The point is, you don't want the sign on your lawn.

You told people when you said they could put signs up that if you don't like it, you can take any of them down or refuse to let them put it up. It's in the little blurb you give everyone when they come out to put signage up on your premium property that is apparently a great place to view signs. In this case, you've stuck to your word. People were forewarned.

You want to disqualify my example because the premise of the sign is illegal? Well, let's disqualify yours since race is a protected status against discrimination. And race was never even brought into the equation to begin with.

Faulty examples indeed.
Posted August 21, 2022
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paladin181: You told people when you said they could put signs up that if you don't like it, you can take any of them down or refuse to let them put it up. It's in the little blurb you give everyone
So, you are okay with Steam's "License agreement" that allows it to take away your access if they want to? Because that's what you advocating for - "fine print" that is almost never used but in case a corporation wants to, it can do with you whatever it wants.

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paladin181: race is a protected status against discrimination
Yes, it is. And an anti-discrimination law is an example of a law that doesn't allow corporations to do what they want, despite them being private. So, why discrimination over race, gender or religion is illegal but discrimination based on political views is allowed?
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