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Posted February 21, 2014
The DRM-Free Revolution Continues with Big Pre-Orders and Launch Day Releases!

Good news! GOG.com is going to bring you more fantastic launch day releases, preorders, and other exciting new content from some of our favorite developers. We've lined up 3 big titles that we will be bringing to GOG.com in the next couple of months for sale or preorder that we think will be hits with all of our gamers; and we have more equally exciting games coming up soon.

If you've been a member of the site for a long time, you may recall that when we launched sales of The Witcher 2 on GOG.com, we had to add in regional pricing. The game cost different amounts in in the US, the UK, the European Union, and Australia. We're doing something like that once again in order to bring you new titles from fantastic bigger studios. Since we don't accept currencies other than USD on GOG.com right now, we'll be charging the equivalent of the local price in USD for these titles. We wish that we could offer these games at flat prices everywhere in the world, but the decision on pricing is always in our partners' hands, and regional pricing is becoming the standard around the globe. We're doing this because we believe that there's no better way to accomplish our overall goals for DRM-Free gaming and GOG.com. We need more games, devs, and publishers on board to make DRM-Free gaming something that's standard for all of the gaming world!

That brings with it more good news, though! As mentioned, we have three games we're launching soon with regional pricing--two RPGs and a strategy game--and while we can't tell you what they are yet because breaking an NDA has more severe penalties than just getting a noogie, we're confident that you'll be as excited about these games as we are. For a limited time, we will be offering anyone who pre-orders or buys one of them a free game from a selection as a gift from GOG.com, just like we did for The Witcher 2.

If you have any questions, hit us up in the comments below and we'll be happy to answer (to the best of our ability).

EDIT: Since we've answered a lot of the common questions already here (and lest you think that we've ignored you), it may be handy for you to check out the forum thread about this and search for staff answers by clicking this link here. (hat tip to user Eli who reminded us that the feature even exists. :)
Posted February 25, 2014
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JohnnyDollar: I was unaware of that. Is it worth playing for the single player only? I'm assuming not. I might be interested in picking up a cheap copy if it is, because I don't have any interest in the multiplayer.
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Digital_CHE: Well. I don't Multiplayers... The single player campaing is not WOW, but is not boring.. And You have to explore if You want to destroy some specific computers in every map...

The R11 patch removes the Securom DRM of the PHYSICAL version.. So, I can install it OFFLINE on every computer I have and play it without the DVD on drive. :)

I dont' understand why EA removed the DRM of this game in particular and not other games like Crysis or Crysis: Warhead.
Thanks for the reply.

Assuming that it's the last patch, is it an all-inclusive patch? In other words, to patch the game fully, do you need to install any earlier patches, or is that patch all you need to have a fully patched game?
Posted February 25, 2014
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Bloodygoodgames: I saw a few of these and, yep, it''s pretty much a PR nightmare for GOG.

Not really sure why they thought it would be any different?

Oh well.......... There are always other places to buy games, DRM-Free or otherwise, and often at cheaper prices so, now I'm over being depressed about the lack of backbone and ethics at GOG.........moving on :)

They've now shoveled themselves into a huge pile of shit and I'm guessing they'll be dealing with it for a while.

And no, no comment from the CEO of the company. Just adds insult to injury and shows, yet again, a complete lack of business sense.
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Natamysza: May I ask you a question? Please don't think I'm attacking you, I understand your point of view and respect it but... why are you still here? I don't get it, you've already repeated "I'm done with GOG" several times, you constantly sling mud at GOG and yet you're constantly coming back. What for? Shit (literal and metaphorical) is something I prefer to avoid, you on the other hand keep playing with it. Or at least it seems so. Please don't get me wrong, I do understand your point of view and frankly, I'm partially sharing it (but without using word "shit" or synonyms in every second sentence) but if GOG is so bad why are you still here? You are most probably still downloading your games but why do you visit forum? Does it make you feel better when you are bashing GOG? Sorry, I don't get it...
Though this wasn't for me, I'm going to butt in and answer your question with another: If those most displeased with this change will simply leave instead of stressing their displeasure firmly and repeatedly, would the chances, tiny as they may be, of reverting the change increase or decrease?
Posted February 25, 2014
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Bloodygoodgames: You can tell this when you read between the lines of anything any of the GOG staffers are saying about this -- all of which, to me, seems to be so much 'doublespeak' covering nothing but greed.
I hope you are wrong in this instance. Personally I believe that there isn't a fortune to be made in GOG's line of work, so that this move is more likely to be one of keeping them viable and competitive, rather than stinking rich. They seem to go the extra mile for us as customers whenever they can, and I don't envy them having to make hard business decisions while also placating a fickle consumer base which wants more old games, more new games, more buying options, and no changes all at once.

I also hope that my defense of them is not an apologia I will later regret. But for now I have been far more pleased with GOG than most retailers, and am willing to wait and see how this plays out before I brand them as betrayer. (Well, except for Judas, obviously he's a betrayer. It's in his CV. :) )
Posted February 25, 2014
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Orcomondo: Wonderful, basically i'm going to get overpriced USA games since i will play them in English (usually a shared UK/USA local) due my EU country localization been inexistent or terrible. That's a real deal, i love regional prices.

We are getting regional price because "it's not up to us" for a couple AAA title that however won't really be fully DMR free.

I know it's the only way to bring new AAA title in gog but please try to enforce the no region price rule strictly on non AAA games.
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Bloodygoodgames: Actually, I don't think these supposed AAA games have anything to do with why all of a sudden GOG no longer believes in region free pricing.

I think they have decided this is the way the company is going and they're using these three games as an excuse, ie: blame the publishers and so take some of the blame of ourselves. After all, when games don't have region free pricing, GOG will make a much higher profit from those gamers who live in Europe, Russia, the UK and Australia.

You can tell this when you read between the lines of anything any of the GOG staffers are saying about this -- all of which, to me, seems to be so much 'doublespeak' covering nothing but greed.
I thought you were flouncing?

It doesn't seem like greed to me. It seems like GOG compromising to address the #1 customer complaint and expand their business.

Yes, they're hoping to be able to release many more games than just the three mentioned. TeT has openly said that repeatedly. The three he mentioned are the only ones they're certain of now. They have big plans and will be in talks with publishers shortly for many more games.
Posted February 25, 2014
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Lodium: The problem is not that simple.
In Diablo 3 AH you coud indeed cash out.
The money wasnt only virtual, though if you used this feature Blizard charged a fee to the users that sold and bougth to eachother for real money.
The other AH were only virtual money in use was free to use as far as i can remember.

And as i said Blizard isnt the only company that have done this or are doing it.
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gkoczyk: In Blizzard's case - not for much longer. And again, their EULAs do not give you any leg to argue ownership of "your" items. If you read through RMAH Terms of Use you will notice it is always "right to use virtual items" that gets transferred. You could argue that they give you a temporary but transferrable right, however that's it.

Most concepts are established in D3 EULA itself. See Point 4 (emphasis mine):

4. Ownership.
All title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Game and all copies thereof (including without limitation any titles, computer code, themes, objects, characters, character names, stories, dialog, catch phrases, locations, concepts, artwork, structural or landscape designs, animations, sounds, musical compositions and recordings, audio-visual effects, storylines, character likenesses, methods of operation, moral rights, and any related documentation) are owned or licensed by Blizzard. The Game is protected by the copyright laws of the United States, international treaties and conventions, and other laws. The Game may contain materials licensed by third parties, and the licensors of those materials may enforce their rights in the event of any violation of this License Agreement. You have no interest, monetary or otherwise, in any feature or content contained in the Game or associated with the Account.
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gkoczyk: Another example: RMAH ToU, Section 6, Point D (emphasis mine)

D. Each auction that has been completed must be verified by Blizzard. Once verified, Blizzard will transfer the license to use the Loot from the seller to you. If Blizzard does not verify the auction, the auction will be disqualified, and the Loot will be returned to the Seller’s in-game stash.
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gkoczyk:
But the EULA and ToU isnt legal is it?
I mean often than not consumer laws overides EULA or im wrong?
Lets say a company want to sell me a TV.
To sell me this tv they can have me sign a user agreement that im not allowed to return the tv even if the tv wont work after taking it out the box.
Here in this case the consumer law will overide that contract at least thats the understanding i have from my own contrys consumer laws.
Posted February 25, 2014
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Bloodygoodgames: I saw a few of these and, yep, it''s pretty much a PR nightmare for GOG.

Not really sure why they thought it would be any different?

Oh well.......... There are always other places to buy games, DRM-Free or otherwise, and often at cheaper prices so, now I'm over being depressed about the lack of backbone and ethics at GOG.........moving on :)

They've now shoveled themselves into a huge pile of shit and I'm guessing they'll be dealing with it for a while.

And no, no comment from the CEO of the company. Just adds insult to injury and shows, yet again, a complete lack of business sense.
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Natamysza: May I ask you a question? Please don't think I'm attacking you, I understand your point of view and respect it but... why are you still here? I don't get it, you've already repeated "I'm done with GOG" several times, you constantly sling mud at GOG and yet you're constantly coming back. What for? Shit (literal and metaphorical) is something I prefer to avoid, you on the other hand keep playing with it. Or at least it seems so. Please don't get me wrong, I do understand your point of view and frankly, I'm partially sharing it (but without using word "shit" or synonyms in every second sentence) but if GOG is so bad why are you still here? You are most probably still downloading your games but why do you visit forum? Does it make you feel better when you are bashing GOG? Sorry, I don't get it...
Because I'm fully of the opinion that when a company that has spent years loudly declaring its beliefs and putting down others that don't share those beliefs then turns around and goes back on a huge part of what they supposedly 'believed in', and stomps on the customers that made them so successful in the first place while they do it, they deserve as much shit as I can muster.

Plus, it's kind of funny to read some of the responses from people who are obviously so naive that they still hold out some thread of hope that GOG isn't really now going down that dark and nasty, dodgy path few ever thought they would go down.

And it's even funnier, as someone with a background in PR, to see GOG yet again so enormously screw up and then not even have the common courtesy to have their CEO issue a statement - a statement that was promised today I might add - while their customer base sits waiting for it. A statement that anyone with one jot of PR sense would have issued first thing this morning.

It's a classic case that should be studied in marketing and PR classes of exactly what NOT to do if you want to keep a successful business, and your customer base, and my evil little business mind finds it highly informative. :)

Plus, if we bitch loud and long enough, maybe they'll change their minds. If we don't bitch, they definitely won't.

That, and I have several friends on here that I'm talking to :)
Posted February 25, 2014
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Bloodygoodgames: You can tell this when you read between the lines of anything any of the GOG staffers are saying about this -- all of which, to me, seems to be so much 'doublespeak' covering nothing but greed.
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IAmSinistar: I hope you are wrong in this instance. Personally I believe that there isn't a fortune to be made in GOG's line of work, so that this move is more likely to be one of keeping them viable and competitive, rather than stinking rich. They seem to go the extra mile for us as customers whenever they can, and I don't envy them having to make hard business decisions while also placating a fickle consumer base which wants more old games, more new games, more buying options, and no changes all at once.

I also hope that my defense of them is not an apologia I will later regret. But for now I have been far more pleased with GOG than most retailers, and am willing to wait and see how this plays out before I brand them as betrayer. (Well, except for Judas, obviously he's a betrayer. It's in his CV. :) )
QFT. GOG has never been a company out to screw the customer for cash. Regional pricing isn't good news. But I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt until we see how it's going to play out.
Posted February 25, 2014
Despite the regional pricing there are some things people should consider in regards to pre-orders (even if they had a flat price):

1. Never pre-order (because you can not know if the game is good unless you still trust big review portals [haha])

2. Never buy on release day because knowing gog's issues with patches this could end bad with weeks of delay between mandatory bugfixes. I've seen way too many games which were patched frequently in the first weeks and given the delayed patches we've all seen here on gog this would make it even worse.
Posted February 25, 2014
Pre-order and buying on release day is such a rip-off. In about 2 years you can buy an 60 euro game for 5-10USD in the right places. I would've liked that gog only keeps fully patched and updated GOTY(GOLD whatever) versions of games, which were tested and patched for years. But somehow I knew this was coming when new games begun to show up and then DLC...
Posted February 25, 2014
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Bloodygoodgames: You can tell this when you read between the lines of anything any of the GOG staffers are saying about this -- all of which, to me, seems to be so much 'doublespeak' covering nothing but greed.
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IAmSinistar: I hope you are wrong in this instance. Personally I believe that there isn't a fortune to be made in GOG's line of work, so that this move is more likely to be one of keeping them viable and competitive, rather than stinking rich. They seem to go the extra mile for us as customers whenever they can, and I don't envy them having to make hard business decisions while also placating a fickle consumer base which wants more old games, more new games, more buying options, and no changes all at once.

I also hope that my defense of them is not an apologia I will later regret. But for now I have been far more pleased with GOG than most retailers, and am willing to wait and see how this plays out before I brand them as betrayer. (Well, except for Judas, obviously he's a betrayer. It's in his CV. :) )
GOG is a multi multi million dollar company. There was a story published recently about their galloping profits in the last couple of years and it's much much more money than most people seemed to think. So, yes, it's all about profits. Either making more for themselves, or making the company financially appealing for a sale down the road.

And very very very few people have ever said they wanted 'new games' or 'AAA games', yet that seems to be what we're getting with this region free B.S. So, no, they're not placating their customers. They're making more money for themselves and couching it in the B.S. of "we're doing it for you".
Posted February 25, 2014
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Natamysza: May I ask you a question? Please don't think I'm attacking you, I understand your point of view and respect it but... why are you still here? I don't get it, you've already repeated "I'm done with GOG" several times, you constantly sling mud at GOG and yet you're constantly coming back. What for? Shit (literal and metaphorical) is something I prefer to avoid, you on the other hand keep playing with it. Or at least it seems so. Please don't get me wrong, I do understand your point of view and frankly, I'm partially sharing it (but without using word "shit" or synonyms in every second sentence) but if GOG is so bad why are you still here? You are most probably still downloading your games but why do you visit forum? Does it make you feel better when you are bashing GOG? Sorry, I don't get it...
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Bloodygoodgames: Because I'm fully of the opinion that when a company that has spent years loudly declaring its beliefs and putting down others that don't share those beliefs then turns around and goes back on a huge part of what they supposedly 'believed in', and stomps on the customers that made them so successful in the first place while they do it, they deserve as much shit as I can muster.

Plus, it's kind of funny to read some of the responses from people who are obviously so naive that they still hold out some thread of hope that GOG isn't really now going down that dark and nasty, dodgy path few ever thought they would go down.

And it's even funnier, as someone with a background in PR, to see GOG yet again so enormously screw up and then not even have the common courtesy to have their CEO issue a statement - a statement that was promised today I might add - while their customer base sits waiting for it. A statement that anyone with one jot of PR sense would have issued first thing this morning.

It's a classic case that should be studied in marketing and PR classes of exactly what NOT to do if you want to keep a successful business, and your customer base, and my evil little business mind finds it highly informative. :)

Plus, if we bitch loud and long enough, maybe they'll change their minds. If we don't bitch, they definitely won't.

That, and I have several friends on here that I'm talking to :)
Giving a retailer who's provided good service the benefit of the doubt isn't being naive. Nothing substantial has changed since yesterday. There are no regionally priced games on the catalog. All the games are DRM-free.

I think you're right that this is the beginning of GOG changing from the retailer we all know and love into a larger Steam competitor. I agree that we probably won't like all of the changes that will entail. I fully expect at some point to stop buying from GOG unless that is handled exceptionally well. But the level of acrimony you bring to this conversation is frankly unnecessary. Your hypocrisy and arrogance are off-putting. The way you use juvenile tactics to get attention makes you seem childish. You are *way* over-reacting, and insulting everyone who disagrees with you.

People *have* been bugging GOG for games under regional distribution agreements. Many of the older games on the wishlist were distributed under regional pricing, or are currently under regional pricing. There's no way for GOG to release those games without doing regional pricing. People just didn't think through what they were asking for.

The missing letter is pretty damming. I've said it before and I'll say it again, GOG does not understand how to keep operations running smoothly. Technical problems linger, and management makes major communications blunders. That's fine for a small company selling outdated games. It's not fine for someone who wants to play with the big boys.
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Posted February 25, 2014
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HGiles: It doesn't seem like greed to me. It seems like GOG compromising to address the #1 customer complaint and expand their business.
So they made sure their biggest customer complaint isn't their biggest customer complain anymore by creating an even bigger customer complaint? I'm not sure I'd call that a good solution really, or even a solution at all. It's more like taking care of a rat infestation by blowing up the building.
Posted February 25, 2014
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Bloodygoodgames: snip

Europe, Russia, the UK and Australia.

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Completely OT, but honest question - why do people constantly mention the UK separately from Europe? Did the UK leave Europe and I wasn't told? Ans now, you even mention Russia separately, did they also leave Europe?
Posted February 25, 2014
Is it soup yet ?
Posted February 25, 2014
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IAmSinistar: I hope you are wrong in this instance. Personally I believe that there isn't a fortune to be made in GOG's line of work, so that this move is more likely to be one of keeping them viable and competitive, rather than stinking rich. They seem to go the extra mile for us as customers whenever they can, and I don't envy them having to make hard business decisions while also placating a fickle consumer base which wants more old games, more new games, more buying options, and no changes all at once.

I also hope that my defense of them is not an apologia I will later regret. But for now I have been far more pleased with GOG than most retailers, and am willing to wait and see how this plays out before I brand them as betrayer. (Well, except for Judas, obviously he's a betrayer. It's in his CV. :) )
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HGiles: QFT. GOG has never been a company out to screw the customer for cash. Regional pricing isn't good news. But I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt until we see how it's going to play out.
So when WILL you think you're getting screwed? When DRM is finally introduced? Or will you also see that as something 'positive' for the customer?

In the last year and a half, GOG has gone from a company that concentrated on cool old games, to first adding indie games. Then it was DLC and keys for certain games if you wanted to play multi-player, with excuses as to why 'that was still okay and still fell in with our principles'.

Now it's region free pricing. Next, coming to a computer near you.....reasons why 'some games' will have DRM on GOG......if this slippery slope keeps being slalomed down.

In fact, in the last year and a half, they've gone from a really awesome company to one I barely recognize.

Seriously.............it's..........not...........rocket..........science
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