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Posted February 21, 2014
The DRM-Free Revolution Continues with Big Pre-Orders and Launch Day Releases!

Good news! GOG.com is going to bring you more fantastic launch day releases, preorders, and other exciting new content from some of our favorite developers. We've lined up 3 big titles that we will be bringing to GOG.com in the next couple of months for sale or preorder that we think will be hits with all of our gamers; and we have more equally exciting games coming up soon.

If you've been a member of the site for a long time, you may recall that when we launched sales of The Witcher 2 on GOG.com, we had to add in regional pricing. The game cost different amounts in in the US, the UK, the European Union, and Australia. We're doing something like that once again in order to bring you new titles from fantastic bigger studios. Since we don't accept currencies other than USD on GOG.com right now, we'll be charging the equivalent of the local price in USD for these titles. We wish that we could offer these games at flat prices everywhere in the world, but the decision on pricing is always in our partners' hands, and regional pricing is becoming the standard around the globe. We're doing this because we believe that there's no better way to accomplish our overall goals for DRM-Free gaming and GOG.com. We need more games, devs, and publishers on board to make DRM-Free gaming something that's standard for all of the gaming world!

That brings with it more good news, though! As mentioned, we have three games we're launching soon with regional pricing--two RPGs and a strategy game--and while we can't tell you what they are yet because breaking an NDA has more severe penalties than just getting a noogie, we're confident that you'll be as excited about these games as we are. For a limited time, we will be offering anyone who pre-orders or buys one of them a free game from a selection as a gift from GOG.com, just like we did for The Witcher 2.

If you have any questions, hit us up in the comments below and we'll be happy to answer (to the best of our ability).

EDIT: Since we've answered a lot of the common questions already here (and lest you think that we've ignored you), it may be handy for you to check out the forum thread about this and search for staff answers by clicking this link here. (hat tip to user Eli who reminded us that the feature even exists. :)
Posted February 24, 2014
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Bloodygoodgames: LOL, seriously?

All of this mess for Risen 1 and Risen 2?

If that's true, then GOG management is even more clueless than I thought. Opening the door for regional pricing and a huge damage to their business, for two incredibly mediocre games?

Surely GOG can't be that stupid?
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javihyuga: If those games are the reason, they should cancel this ASAP. I think that most of us own them because of (and only because of) bundles, and even if they are not bad games, they sure aren't worth the fuss.
I would never buy anything Deep Silver puts out anyway. Not after that disgusting artwork they used (severed woman's torso dripping with blood) on Dead Island: Riptide last year.

A company that is that misogynistic and that clueless is never going to get a penny of my money.
Posted February 24, 2014
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Bloodygoodgames: LOL, seriously?

All of this mess for Risen 1 and Risen 2?

If that's true, then GOG management is even more clueless than I thought. Opening the door for regional pricing and a huge damage to their business, for two incredibly mediocre games?

Surely GOG can't be that stupid?
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javihyuga: If those games are the reason, they should cancel this ASAP. I think that most of us own them because of (and only because of) bundles, and even if they are not bad games, they sure aren't worth the fuss.
GOG sayed the games will be new ones (pre-orders/launch day reeleases) and they're protected by NDA, Risen 1 and 2 aren't new and were already confirmed by Deep Silver, then is very difficult they're being the ones hinted by GOG (maybe Risen 3, but not the first 2). One of the RPGs I think can be Stick of Truth, with Ubisoft already confirmed will not need a Uplay account
Posted February 24, 2014
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sivartwoa: TET:
There must be other ways to bring the "best games" to GOG without regional pricing. Whether it's in packs, with stacking discounts (like I mentioned before), or just waiting until they aren't brand new anymore, I'm certain there is a way. Usually increasing the volume of sales/turnover of inventory is the easiest way to reduce the cost per unit sold, and thus the price can be lowered while maintaining the same margins. If the only thing you guys need is to not undercut other distributors prices for similar products, then the object should be to make the products less similar, via one of my previous suggestions, or with GOG exclusives, etc.

I'm disappointed that my request to know if there was anything constructive we could do in opposition was ignored. It's not that often that a company is lucky enough to have customers willing to explore solutions that will still cost them (the customers) more money.

For example, new game comes out for $40 in the US. You need to charge me $50 due to regional pricing. Well, if you instead charged me $60, and included 2 games worth $9.99 as bonuses, then everybody wins. You get the entire gouged margin on the new release, and if you can get a regional sale agreement with the company whose 2 games you are giving away (they will see a spike in their sales that has nothing to do with those old games), you'll sell them at half price which should cover costs+. Nobody can say you're undercutting another product, because the products being sold are totally different (single game, compared to a package of 3 games with the discount coming off the older games).

The hard part is crafting a deal like that for each region, and then excluding the US/lowest priced country from those deals. That might be a tough sell, and I'm not really advocating this exact course, but it's that sort of collaboration -with us showing our willingness to pay to help get GOG to where we want to see it without sacrificing why we like it - that is such a missed opportunity.
Many games are already under contracts which dictate regional pricing. Having a worldwide price would entail renegotiating the existing distribution contracts as well as GOG negotiating a release contract. There really isn't anything we could do. Regional deals are standard. The world is divided up into multiple countries and legal systems. It's likely much easier to make a regional deal than a worldwide deal, since the legal infrastructure is there to support regional deals.

They are giving away free games with the preorders for regionally priced games. Focusing on GOG exclusives might be an interesting idea, but that doesn't address the legal restrictions due to previously existing agreements.
Post edited February 24, 2014 by HGiles
Posted February 24, 2014
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mobutu: We dont know that yet, there is a possibility that maybe those games are release elsewhere drmfree too.
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adamhm: Maybe, but if that's the case and those games would have released DRM-free elsewhere anyway without GOG's involvement,
WHERE? I demand an straight answer, not ands, ifs or buts.
then it will have been pointless and completely unjustifiable for GOG to sacrifice such a major policy for them.
You people are clueless if you really think is for ONE game, this is about getting more publishers and their game catalogues.
Posted February 24, 2014
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trusteft: I would love to know who the fuck earns 22K in Greece.
The min legal salary per month is a bit over 500, with actual figures going 150+ down of that.
Even on the hayday most people who had some good experience didn't win much over 1000, talking about after decades of experience.
For many years I see in official papers claims of 22K+ as GDP per capita but for the life of me I have no idea how they come to that number. Perhaps the top 1% wins so much more that it raises the average, but 22K? lol
It gets skewed by the very small percentage of very, very high income.


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Grargar: If you don't count Steam's version as DRM-Free (it still has no CEG), i think that this leaves us with GOG's and the retail. (I don't think DRM was ever added in the retail version)
Also, since we're talking about Ubisoft, South Park won't be using Uplay, but Steamworks.
Aaahhh, this paints a much different scene. Yep, I can see a Steamworks title getting freed much easier/ quicker than a UPlay one.
I think we may have a candidate/ When is it due for release?
Posted February 24, 2014
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HypersomniacLive: Aaahhh, this paints a much different scene. Yep, I can see a Steamworks title getting freed much easier/ quicker than a UPlay one.
I think we may have a candidate/ When is it due for release?
6th March.
Posted February 24, 2014
The South Park game has been attacked a fair bit on the steam discussion area for its price. Maybe this is their idea to offset what they anticipate as increased piracy due to no DRM.
Posted February 24, 2014
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sivartwoa: TET:
There must be other ways to bring the "best games" to GOG without regional pricing. Whether it's in packs, with stacking discounts (like I mentioned before), or just waiting until they aren't brand new anymore, I'm certain there is a way. Usually increasing the volume of sales/turnover of inventory is the easiest way to reduce the cost per unit sold, and thus the price can be lowered while maintaining the same margins. If the only thing you guys need is to not undercut other distributors prices for similar products, then the object should be to make the products less similar, via one of my previous suggestions, or with GOG exclusives, etc.

I'm disappointed that my request to know if there was anything constructive we could do in opposition was ignored. It's not that often that a company is lucky enough to have customers willing to explore solutions that will still cost them (the customers) more money.

For example, new game comes out for $40 in the US. You need to charge me $50 due to regional pricing. Well, if you instead charged me $60, and included 2 games worth $9.99 as bonuses, then everybody wins. You get the entire gouged margin on the new release, and if you can get a regional sale agreement with the company whose 2 games you are giving away (they will see a spike in their sales that has nothing to do with those old games), you'll sell them at half price which should cover costs+. Nobody can say you're undercutting another product, because the products being sold are totally different (single game, compared to a package of 3 games with the discount coming off the older games).

The hard part is crafting a deal like that for each region, and then excluding the US/lowest priced country from those deals. That might be a tough sell, and I'm not really advocating this exact course, but it's that sort of collaboration -with us showing our willingness to pay to help get GOG to where we want to see it without sacrificing why we like it - that is such a missed opportunity.
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HGiles: Many games are already under contracts which dictate regional pricing. Having a worldwide price would entail renegotiating the existing distribution contracts as well as GOG negotiating a release contract.

Regional deals are standard. The world is divided up into multiple countries and legal systems. It's likely much easier to make a regional deal than a worldwide deal, since the legal infrastructure is there to support regional deals.
Thing is, i still remember some of the arguments made from publishers and others that when digital sales
were taking over retail sales in the pc market there woud be cheaper and fairer prices for all since you didnt have any stores, transportation etc to pay.
Well il still waiting for that to happen.
Post edited February 24, 2014 by Lodium
Posted February 24, 2014
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javihyuga: If those games are the reason, they should cancel this ASAP. I think that most of us own them because of (and only because of) bundles, and even if they are not bad games, they sure aren't worth the fuss.
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gandalf.nho: GOG sayed the games will be new ones (pre-orders/launch day reeleases) and they're protected by NDA, Risen 1 and 2 aren't new and were already confirmed by Deep Silver, then is very difficult they're being the ones hinted by GOG (maybe Risen 3, but not the first 2). One of the RPGs I think can be Stick of Truth, with Ubisoft already confirmed will not need a Uplay account
Stick of Truth would be just as bad as any of the Risens, IMO, and certainly not worth crapping all over GOG's previous sales strategy for.

I say that as I know two reviewers who have already played the game, and both said it was nowhere near as good as they had hoped it was going to be. Before that, I was looking forward to it although, no, there's no way I'd pay anywhere near the 60 bucks they're charging for it, and neither will most gamers on GOG, IMO.

Hell, there's an outcry when a game gets released at $20 on GOG and without regional pricing.

Can you imagine the outcry for Stick of Truth at 60 bucks and WITH regional pricing, making it more like 80-100 bucks for some gamers on here? ROTFL - now this I am looking forward to :)
Posted February 24, 2014
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HGiles: Many games are already under contracts which dictate regional pricing. Having a worldwide price would entail renegotiating the existing distribution contracts as well as GOG negotiating a release contract.

Regional deals are standard. The world is divided up into multiple countries and legal systems. It's likely much easier to make a regional deal than a worldwide deal, since the legal infrastructure is there to support regional deals.
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Lodium: Thing is i still remember some of the arguments made from publishers and others that when digital sales
were taking over retail sales in the pc market there woud be cheaper and fairer prices for all since you didnt have any stores, transportation to pay.
Weell il still waiting for that to happen.
Typical prices for video games have dropped significantly since digital distribution took off. I was paying $20, now I pay $10 or $5. Less if it's a sale or a bundle.

More equal prices have happened, on a much smaller scale. That prices aren't equal can't a surprise though. When there's tremendous differences in legal systems that will raise costs for businesses. Those costs, plus extra, will get passed on to the consumer. Especially for luxury entertainment goods where the only real price is what the market will bear.
Posted February 24, 2014
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Lodium: Thing is, i still remember some of the arguments made from publishers and others that when digital sales
were taking over retail sales in the pc market there woud be cheaper and fairer prices for all since you didnt have any stores, transportation etc to pay.
Well il still waiting for that to happen.
Well games today are very cheap compared to the past when everything was retail. Despite inflation, most PC games can be had for a lot less than they cost 20 years' ago
Posted February 24, 2014
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gandalf.nho: GOG sayed the games will be new ones (pre-orders/launch day reeleases) and they're protected by NDA, Risen 1 and 2 aren't new and were already confirmed by Deep Silver, then is very difficult they're being the ones hinted by GOG (maybe Risen 3, but not the first 2). One of the RPGs I think can be Stick of Truth, with Ubisoft already confirmed will not need a Uplay account
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Bloodygoodgames: Stick of Truth would be just as bad as any of the Risens, IMO, and certainly not worth crapping all over GOG's previous sales strategy for.

I say that as I know two reviewers who have already played the game, and both said it was nowhere near as good as they had hoped it was going to be. Before that, I was looking forward to it although, no, there's no way I'd pay anywhere near the 60 bucks they're charging for it, and neither will most gamers on GOG, IMO.

Hell, there's an outcry when a game gets released at $20 on GOG and without regional pricing.

Can you imagine the outcry for Stick of Truth at 60 bucks and WITH regional pricing, making it more like 80-100 bucks for some gamers on here? ROTFL - now this I am looking forward to :)
You shoud see some of the threads made on steam regarding prices.
Even early access titles if it cost too much ends up having posts of complainers, though they coud have just waited for reduced prices :P

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Lodium: Thing is, i still remember some of the arguments made from publishers and others that when digital sales
were taking over retail sales in the pc market there woud be cheaper and fairer prices for all since you didnt have any stores, transportation etc to pay.
Well il still waiting for that to happen.
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graspee: Well games today are very cheap compared to the past when everything was retail. Despite inflation, most PC games can be had for a lot less than they cost 20 years' ago
Cheaper yes but not fairer
since Australians still get shafted.
Post edited February 24, 2014 by Lodium
Posted February 24, 2014
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Bloodygoodgames: I would never buy anything Deep Silver puts out anyway. Not after that disgusting artwork they used (severed woman's torso dripping with blood) on Dead Island: Riptide last year.

A company that is that misogynistic and that clueless is never going to get a penny of my money.
You think that's bad? Just check out their Ride to Hell: Retribution 1%.
Posted February 24, 2014
For the RPG, 2 of the 4 :)
Wasteland 2
Torment: Tides of Numenera
Pillars of Eternity
Divinity: Orginal Sin
Posted February 24, 2014
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gandalf.nho: GOG sayed the games will be new ones (pre-orders/launch day reeleases) and they're protected by NDA, Risen 1 and 2 aren't new and were already confirmed by Deep Silver, then is very difficult they're being the ones hinted by GOG (maybe Risen 3, but not the first 2). One of the RPGs I think can be Stick of Truth, with Ubisoft already confirmed will not need a Uplay account
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Bloodygoodgames: Stick of Truth would be just as bad as any of the Risens, IMO, and certainly not worth crapping all over GOG's previous sales strategy for.

I say that as I know two reviewers who have already played the game, and both said it was nowhere near as good as they had hoped it was going to be. Before that, I was looking forward to it although, no, there's no way I'd pay anywhere near the 60 bucks they're charging for it, and neither will most gamers on GOG, IMO.

Hell, there's an outcry when a game gets released at $20 on GOG and without regional pricing.

Can you imagine the outcry for Stick of Truth at 60 bucks and WITH regional pricing, making it more like 80-100 bucks for some gamers on here? ROTFL - now this I am looking forward to :)
GOG definitely misunderstood what customers were asking for. I can easily see the logic going like this:

1. Customers keep bugging us for new releases and more classic games. It's the #1 request we get.
2. These games are under regional distribution agreements.
3. No one talks up our region-free pricing. We don't hear compliments on it, it's not picked up on in articles written about us nearly as much as DRM-free.
4. Ergo, drop the less-valued region-free pricing in favor of addressing the #1 customer complaint.

The misunderstanding is that we didn't just want more games, we want more games done the GOG way. People don't mention things that are working just fine. It's easy to misunderstand a lack of chatter as 'not valued' when it really just means 'super convenient and relied on'.

I haven't seen any games proposed that would make this move worth it. GOG should have waited until they had some top requests on the wishlist in the bag before going forward with this.
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