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Posted February 21, 2014
The DRM-Free Revolution Continues with Big Pre-Orders and Launch Day Releases!

Good news! GOG.com is going to bring you more fantastic launch day releases, preorders, and other exciting new content from some of our favorite developers. We've lined up 3 big titles that we will be bringing to GOG.com in the next couple of months for sale or preorder that we think will be hits with all of our gamers; and we have more equally exciting games coming up soon.

If you've been a member of the site for a long time, you may recall that when we launched sales of The Witcher 2 on GOG.com, we had to add in regional pricing. The game cost different amounts in in the US, the UK, the European Union, and Australia. We're doing something like that once again in order to bring you new titles from fantastic bigger studios. Since we don't accept currencies other than USD on GOG.com right now, we'll be charging the equivalent of the local price in USD for these titles. We wish that we could offer these games at flat prices everywhere in the world, but the decision on pricing is always in our partners' hands, and regional pricing is becoming the standard around the globe. We're doing this because we believe that there's no better way to accomplish our overall goals for DRM-Free gaming and GOG.com. We need more games, devs, and publishers on board to make DRM-Free gaming something that's standard for all of the gaming world!

That brings with it more good news, though! As mentioned, we have three games we're launching soon with regional pricing--two RPGs and a strategy game--and while we can't tell you what they are yet because breaking an NDA has more severe penalties than just getting a noogie, we're confident that you'll be as excited about these games as we are. For a limited time, we will be offering anyone who pre-orders or buys one of them a free game from a selection as a gift from GOG.com, just like we did for The Witcher 2.

If you have any questions, hit us up in the comments below and we'll be happy to answer (to the best of our ability).

EDIT: Since we've answered a lot of the common questions already here (and lest you think that we've ignored you), it may be handy for you to check out the forum thread about this and search for staff answers by clicking this link here. (hat tip to user Eli who reminded us that the feature even exists. :)
Posted February 24, 2014
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cyboff: Another very simple possibility is, that some great retail shop distributor in Europe is pushing hard all digital stores to adapt regional pricing... at the beginning of February it was GMG, now GOG ...
It does seem very suspicious. Collusion?.
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Crosmando: Wow, big thread. Anyone mind answering me these questions?

Will GOG be re-pricing everything in the store according to this new regional thing, or will the only regionally priced games be specific ones from publishers who only do regional pricing?

Will any classic old games that come to GOG in the future be regionally priced?

How will the regional pricing be enforced, will someone simply be able to change their location in account settings to get cheaper games? Will it track the IP of the user to determine which price to charge? Are GOG aware that such methods aren't exactly very effective?
Its only been announced for new AAA games - preorders etc.
No comment in repricing in future but people seem to think so once games need to reroll their contracts at expiry
Dont know since GOG has no drm. Gifting not affected .For now
Some seem to think its been illplanned and not well thought out
Some think its the end of GOG
Some claim they will stop buying from GOG.
Some claim GOG will next start doing DRM.
Games suspected to be included are
Wasteland 2
AOWIII
South Park Stick of Truth (why people hyping this???)
Divinity Original Sin
Warlock 2
etc

How are you by the way? lol
Post edited February 24, 2014 by Niggles
Posted February 24, 2014
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Crosmando: Wow, big thread. Anyone mind answering me these questions?

Will GOG be re-pricing everything in the store according to this new regional thing, or will the only regionally priced games be specific ones from publishers who only do regional pricing?

Will any classic old games that come to GOG in the future be regionally priced?

How will the regional pricing be enforced, will someone simply be able to change their location in account settings to get cheaper games? Will it track the IP of the user to determine which price to charge? Are GOG aware that such methods aren't exactly very effective?
All questions they need to answer.
Posted February 24, 2014
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cyboff: Another very simple possibility is, that some great retail shop distributor in Europe is pushing hard all digital stores to adapt regional pricing... at the beginning of February it was GMG, now GOG ...
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Niggles: It does seem very suspicious. Collusion?.
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Crosmando: Wow, big thread. Anyone mind answering me these questions?

Will GOG be re-pricing everything in the store according to this new regional thing, or will the only regionally priced games be specific ones from publishers who only do regional pricing?

Will any classic old games that come to GOG in the future be regionally priced?

How will the regional pricing be enforced, will someone simply be able to change their location in account settings to get cheaper games? Will it track the IP of the user to determine which price to charge? Are GOG aware that such methods aren't exactly very effective?
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Niggles: Its only been announced for new AAA games - preorders etc.
No comment in repricing in future but people seem to think so once games need to reroll their contracts at expiry
Dont know since GOG has no drm. Gifting not affected .For now
Some seem to think its been illplanned and not well thought out
Some think its the end of GOG
Some claim they will stop buying from GOG.
Some claim GOG will next start doing DRM.
Games suspected to be included are
Wasteland 2
AOWIII
South Park Stick of Truth (why people hyping this???)
Divinity Original Sin
Warlock 2
etc

How are you by the way? lol
Where did you get the idea of Warlock 2 coming to GOG? Warlock 1 is a steamworks game. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Warlock 2 coming here and I prefer it to Steam, but...
Posted February 24, 2014
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Niggles: It does seem very suspicious. Collusion?.

Its only been announced for new AAA games - preorders etc.
No comment in repricing in future but people seem to think so once games need to reroll their contracts at expiry
Dont know since GOG has no drm. Gifting not affected .For now
Some seem to think its been illplanned and not well thought out
Some think its the end of GOG
Some claim they will stop buying from GOG.
Some claim GOG will next start doing DRM.
Games suspected to be included are
Wasteland 2
AOWIII
South Park Stick of Truth (why people hyping this???)
Divinity Original Sin
Warlock 2
etc

How are you by the way? lol
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trusteft: Where did you get the idea of Warlock 2 coming to GOG? Warlock 1 is a steamworks game. Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Warlock 2 coming here and I prefer it to Steam, but...
Someone else mentioned it as the strategy game possibility (i couldnt think of anything else aside from AOW3)
Posted February 24, 2014
Is the new Thief confirmed for GOG?
Posted February 24, 2014
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JohnnyDollar: They'll probably offer a good incentive for the first one then and try to max as many preorders as they can.

I mentioned AOW III earlier, but I assume most don't agree that it's a AAA? That is a Strategy/RPG, I think. It's due on Steam March 31st, which is about 5 weeks from now, but not a big AAA...

Maybe the first one isn't necessarily a "big AAA" like the announcement leads you to believe, but one that does require regional pricing. I don't know much about Triumph Studios.
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cyboff: It all can be very simple - Larian with Divinity:OS, Triumph with Age Of wonders 3, maybe also inXile with Wasteland 2 (and many others "kickstarters" already greenlit on Steam) - all those signed contracts with Steam, and probably did not pay enough attention to small font "regional pricing" clause, forcing them to have the same price in other digital stores - resulting in nice collision with fair flat pricing policy on GOG... But they also promised kickstarter backers to release those games here on GOG... And now what to do? GOG was too late with signing contracts, so they have to adapt... And seeing it will be problematic to catch all contracts sooner in the future, they just decided to stop fighting on that front...

Another very simple possibility is, that some great retail shop distributor in Europe is pushing hard all digital stores to adapt regional pricing... at the beginning of February it was GMG, now GOG ...
That's interesting analysis. So your first possibilities won't really be the "Big AAA", at least how a lot of the folks here view what a big AAA is, with the announcement including some marketing hype that can't technically be called false or incorrect?

I've never heard about what you're referring to in your second paragraph. This is a distributor that supplies retail around Europe, or it has its own retail stores? What's the theory, that they a have overstock of physical copies that they want to get rid of, or just plan on doing business there and don't want to get undercut by online DDs?
Post edited February 24, 2014 by JohnnyDollar
Posted February 24, 2014
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sivartwoa:
Usually it's not 10%. On steam it can range from 37% up to 60%.
Posted February 24, 2014
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adamhm: snip

Yes, what a great idea! Then DRM-free will be deemed a failure and we'll continue to be stuck with the vast majority of new games having both DRM and regional pricing and instead of possibly changing at least one bad thing about the industry, we'll have changed nothing - and will infact have defeated an attempt at improvement! What a big win for us that would be!
That's been one of my concerns from the beginning, so I asked TET about this exact thing on Friday.
Three AAA games are signed up under the regional pricing model. Regional pricing is not received well, what can be done - "vote with your wallet, don't buy them". Ok then, lets do this.
The games don't sell well, how will the failure be interpreted? As a rejection of regional pricing? Or as the niche DRM-free market at GOG not being viable?
I'm inclined to think that it will be blamed on the latter, which brings up the next issue - vote with your wallet against regional pricing and it'd be interpreted as voting against DRM-free for Day-1 AAA games; protect and encourage more "DRM-free Day-1 AAA games" by abstaining from voting with your wallet against regional pricing and it'd be seen as everyone being ok with it.

Is there a practically viable way to send both messages?
What a horrible position to be put in...
Posted February 24, 2014
I gotta say I'm not digging the news, sure new fancy games are cool and all but i can't help feeling really really disappointed. The prices were the main attraction for me right up there with the drm free, I really felt like i wasn't being screwed over... but now, I don't know what to say. Sure it's not gog screwing me, it's the publishers, but I'm still being screwed. I don't care about random free games with my purchase, I just don't want to pay more than americans while being an eastern european who earns a little over 200 euros a month.
Posted February 24, 2014
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HypersomniacLive: Is there a practically viable way to send both messages?
What a horrible position to be put in...
I don't see it. One is going to win out over the other. My prediction is that the games will sell well here if they sell well elsewhere as long as the regional pricing is relatively reasonable.

Good games anticipated by gamers will sell here DRM-free just as they're selling well elsewhere as long as the price is competitive. Bad games, or games with bad word of mouth that don't sell well elsewhere, probably won't sell well here either.

That's my prediction, not a declaration. My theory is that it's going to come down to the quality and interest in the games more so than any other factor, assuming the prices are competitive, and I have no reason to believe they won't be .

Edit: I just want to say that I'm not trying to come across as trying to cast those that take issue with this policy change as insignificant. I just think that a highly anticipated game that's DRM-free at a competitive price goes a long ways, and if the deal is good enough and the game is in high enough demand, I'm not sure how much weight those that are sticking to their guns and voting and withholding the money will have in the final talley.

That's just speculation on my part, though, I could be way off.
Post edited February 24, 2014 by JohnnyDollar
Posted February 24, 2014
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adamhm: snip

Yes, what a great idea! Then DRM-free will be deemed a failure and we'll continue to be stuck with the vast majority of new games having both DRM and regional pricing and instead of possibly changing at least one bad thing about the industry, we'll have changed nothing - and will infact have defeated an attempt at improvement! What a big win for us that would be!
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HypersomniacLive: That's been one of my concerns from the beginning, so I asked TET about this exact thing on Friday.
Three AAA games are signed up under the regional pricing model. Regional pricing is not received well, what can be done - "vote with your wallet, don't buy them". Ok then, lets do this.
The games don't sell well, how will the failure be interpreted? As a rejection of regional pricing? Or as the niche DRM-free market at GOG not being viable?
I'm inclined to think that it will be blamed on the latter, which brings up the next issue - vote with your wallet against regional pricing and it'd be interpreted as voting against DRM-free for Day-1 AAA games; protect and encourage more "DRM-free Day-1 AAA games" by abstaining from voting with your wallet against regional pricing and it'd be seen as everyone being ok with it.

Is there a practically viable way to send both messages?
What a horrible position to be put in...
Buyers or potential buyers leave a message in regards with why they wont buy or consider buying said game (dunno how they would avoid spam or message from people who arent even considering purchasing said game though).....know its a weak answer but have to think some more :)
Posted February 24, 2014
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JohnnyDollar: That's interesting analysis. So your first possibilities won't really be the "Big AAA", at least how a lot of the folks here view what a big AAA is, with the announcement including some marketing hype that can't technically be called false or incorrect?

I've never heard about what you're referring to in your second paragraph. This is a distributor that supplies retail around Europe, or it has its own retail stores? What's the theory, that they a have overstock of physical copies that they want to get rid of, or just plan on doing business there and don't want to get undercut by online DDs?
I don't think it is all about AAA titles... it can be just nice and welcome by-product of the whole case...

And the second paragraph is just speculation :) But just for example: there is company called Cenega who some time ago forced even big Valve to not sell Bethesda games (Rage, Skyrim) through Steam in our Central Europe region - paradox was all those games required Steam :D
Posted February 24, 2014
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Niggles: What i will find interesting *if* they go ahead with regional pricing -- will they have it in the FAQ anywhere? Or anywhere in bold letters so buyers will understand why the pricing differentials? ...
They don't need to. They just say that everybody gets a price according to the region he/she lives in. No need to know if the price somewhere else is better or worse because you cannot get it anyway.

On the other hand you can easily get a different IP (search for open proxy) and then you can check out for yourself.

If they are really commited to transparency which I doubt very much, they will display all the prices for all regions.

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HypersomniacLive: ... That's been one of my concerns from the beginning, so I asked TET about this exact thing on Friday.
Three AAA games are signed up under the regional pricing model. Regional pricing is not received well, what can be done - "vote with your wallet, don't buy them". Ok then, lets do this.
The games don't sell well, how will the failure be interpreted? As a rejection of regional pricing? Or as the niche DRM-free market at GOG not being viable?
I'm inclined to think that it will be blamed on the latter, which brings up the next issue - vote with your wallet against regional pricing and it'd be interpreted as voting against DRM-free for Day-1 AAA games; protect and encourage more "DRM-free Day-1 AAA games" by abstaining from voting with your wallet against regional pricing and it'd be seen as everyone being ok with it.

Is there a practically viable way to send both messages? ...
Let me begin by saying that I believe those messages wouldn't be heard anyway even if you could send them.

Several viable ways come to mind:

- Buy the AAA games but only in the lowest priced regions, change your IP according to that. Could be slightly illegal though. But a strong signal if all customers would do it.

- Or: Tell the publisher that you would buy it from GOG if the region you live in wouldn't be so overpriced

- Or: Buy it once but only once and then tell the publishers that you found his/her practices unfair and won't do it again until they change their behavior.
Post edited February 24, 2014 by Trilarion
Posted February 24, 2014
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Niggles: What i will find interesting *if* they go ahead with regional pricing -- will they have it in the FAQ anywhere? Or anywhere in bold letters so buyers will understand why the pricing differentials? ...
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Trilarion: They don't need to. They just say that everybody gets a price according to the region he/she lives in. No need to know if the price somewhere else is better or worse because you cannot get it anyway.

On the other hand you can easily get a different IP (search for open proxy) and then you can check out for yourself.

If they are really commited to transparency which I doubt very much, they will display all the prices for all regions.
Even if GOG doesnt, im sure forum members will make a thread devoted to the pricing anyway :) (someone will do it...:)
Posted February 24, 2014
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Niggles: Even if GOG doesnt, im sure forum members will make a thread devoted to the pricing anyway :) (someone will do it...:)
I was proposing a GOGmix of unfairly priced games. As there are no chances of changing GOG's mind to not to abandon one of their "core values"...
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