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Posted February 21, 2014
The DRM-Free Revolution Continues with Big Pre-Orders and Launch Day Releases!

Good news! GOG.com is going to bring you more fantastic launch day releases, preorders, and other exciting new content from some of our favorite developers. We've lined up 3 big titles that we will be bringing to GOG.com in the next couple of months for sale or preorder that we think will be hits with all of our gamers; and we have more equally exciting games coming up soon.

If you've been a member of the site for a long time, you may recall that when we launched sales of The Witcher 2 on GOG.com, we had to add in regional pricing. The game cost different amounts in in the US, the UK, the European Union, and Australia. We're doing something like that once again in order to bring you new titles from fantastic bigger studios. Since we don't accept currencies other than USD on GOG.com right now, we'll be charging the equivalent of the local price in USD for these titles. We wish that we could offer these games at flat prices everywhere in the world, but the decision on pricing is always in our partners' hands, and regional pricing is becoming the standard around the globe. We're doing this because we believe that there's no better way to accomplish our overall goals for DRM-Free gaming and GOG.com. We need more games, devs, and publishers on board to make DRM-Free gaming something that's standard for all of the gaming world!

That brings with it more good news, though! As mentioned, we have three games we're launching soon with regional pricing--two RPGs and a strategy game--and while we can't tell you what they are yet because breaking an NDA has more severe penalties than just getting a noogie, we're confident that you'll be as excited about these games as we are. For a limited time, we will be offering anyone who pre-orders or buys one of them a free game from a selection as a gift from GOG.com, just like we did for The Witcher 2.

If you have any questions, hit us up in the comments below and we'll be happy to answer (to the best of our ability).

EDIT: Since we've answered a lot of the common questions already here (and lest you think that we've ignored you), it may be handy for you to check out the forum thread about this and search for staff answers by clicking this link here. (hat tip to user Eli who reminded us that the feature even exists. :)
Posted February 24, 2014
Uhm, guys and gals, let me add one more useful opinion to this thread, if it hasn't been said already:

WHO THE %#%$ CARES ABOUT AAA GAMES?!

:D
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Posted February 24, 2014
Slippery slope is out of the way, now we just need to come to a consensus about the merits of regional pricing.

GOG said in the OP that they would answer questions. I would like to ask first, "is this change necessary for your business model to survive?" and second "is there anything we as customers can do that is constructive to change your minds?" I'd much rather we as customers were given a way to support GOG in sticking to its original mandate, rather than to be left with only the option of 'not buying' as a form of protest, because that hurts GOG.

A poll asking a very simple "do you support regional pricing for new games: yes/no" will give you a rough idea of the % of your customers who would be interested in supporting an alternative (though people strongly opposed to regional pricing will be more likely to vote than those unaffected by it, so you might want to measure the results geographically).

I'm personally approaching 200 GOG games owned, and while a 10% increase in price relative to other people would have little to no impact on my personal finances, it will cause me to stop shopping here. I like to get a deal, and feel like I'm being treated fairly (or better than fairly). I'm willing to buy in bulk, buy multiple items (like in your stacking sales), buy packs, pay for 'deluxe editions' (that have a bunch of optional DLC incorporated into the price), or find other ways to make those deals possible. If GOG won't work with me to that end, then I'll just buy elsewhere, though that's not what I desire.

I might be in the minority, but I care more about price than DRM. I don't give away my GOG games, and I have no need to have them installed on more than 3 computers simultaneously. I like not having to have a client running while I play the game (for performance reasons), but the prices are the sticking point for me. My demand curve relative to price is a straight line!
Posted February 24, 2014
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Niggles: We do have a mature rating now - but that took longer than a change of government or two - basically there is a dude/dudette from each of the states who need to ALL agree to a new or change in ratings.ONE ****er didnt agree with the rest.... and declined and declined.....--- not sure what happened (cant remember details) but that got fixed and other issues cropped up......

http://delimiter.com.au/2013/01/14/australia-has-its-first-r18-video-game/

from what i remember changes are not retrospective - so games declined in the past need to reapply ie Left4Dead series or Manhunt...(i think)
Wow, I thought the US had a monopoly on the assholes that want to dictate what people can and can't do on their own time in their own privacy. I'm sorry to hear about this. But I'm guessing from the discussion of regional censoring Australia isn't the only one???

Perhaps then the US is actually ahead of others despite the many assholes that keep trying to change it??
Posted February 24, 2014
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Niggles: We do have a mature rating now - but that took longer than a change of government or two - basically there is a dude/dudette from each of the states who need to ALL agree to a new or change in ratings.ONE ****er didnt agree with the rest.... and declined and declined.....--- not sure what happened (cant remember details) but that got fixed and other issues cropped up......

http://delimiter.com.au/2013/01/14/australia-has-its-first-r18-video-game/

from what i remember changes are not retrospective - so games declined in the past need to reapply ie Left4Dead series or Manhunt...(i think)
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OldFatGuy: Wow, I thought the US had a monopoly on the assholes that want to dictate what people can and can't do on their own time in their own privacy. I'm sorry to hear about this. But I'm guessing from the discussion of regional censoring Australia isn't the only one???

Perhaps then the US is actually ahead of others despite the many assholes that keep trying to change it??
Not sure but there is significant differences for countries using the Euro as well (dunno about South america or rest of asian - some follow the USD...others i dunno)
Posted February 24, 2014
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JohnnyDollar: If they are indeed "big", then some of the gamers here that keep up with the latest news should come up with something I would think.

It depends on how far out they are, though. They said preorders and coming months. Is the first one a month + away with the others to follow over the next several months?

The only explanation that I have if they are indeed these big AAA games, is that the tentative release dates are still a ways off. What else could it be, assuming you take the announcement literally?
"We've lined up 3 big titles that we will be bringing to GOG.com in the next couple of months for sale or preorder" is GOG's official line. Perhaps not all of them might be released in a couple of months. (they might just become available for preorder) What TET did say, though, is that one of those games will have been released within 6 weeks from now. The game's release will be used as a bargaining tool to convince other publishers to sign to GOG in an upcoming gaming conference that will take place in 6 weeks.
Posted February 24, 2014
Here Crazy_dave read these!

R18+ Classification Failed!
Posted February 24, 2014
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sivartwoa: One thing that may or may not have been mentioned, is that GOG's decision to renege on it's previous statements has removed them from the "flat world pricing" market. It's almost a certainty that another company will seize upon this niche. Suitable alternatives may not exist right now, but GOG has proven there is a market for this ideal, and someone will rise to service that demand sooner rather than later.
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Niggles: Umm what makes u think any other new business trying the same thing will actually succeed AND grow??.As been mentioned GOG has been hamstrung by a slowing availability of older games & to get new ones AAA at launch etc drm free they needed to compromise on worldwide flat pricing. I give GOG for at least being upfront about this instead of people say "WTF!" when they slip it in quietly... (or try to)
Where there is an unmet demand, there will inevitably rise a supplier to service it as long as it is possible (even if there is no economic logic). This is very basic economic theory. Since digitally distributed games are not scarce resources, and in fact are basically a commodity, the theory does not even need to take into account the possibility of 'running out'. Nothing makes me think that they will survive or grow, those are your words. But I can be very confident that other businesses will decide to try.
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Posted February 24, 2014
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JohnnyDollar: If they are indeed "big", then some of the gamers here that keep up with the latest news should come up with something I would think.

It depends on how far out they are, though. They said preorders and coming months. Is the first one a month + away with the others to follow over the next several months?

The only explanation that I have if they are indeed these big AAA games, is that the tentative release dates are still a ways off. What else could it be, assuming you take the announcement literally?
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Grargar: "We've lined up 3 big titles that we will be bringing to GOG.com in the next couple of months for sale or preorder" is GOG's official line. Perhaps not all of them might be released in a couple of months. (they might just become available for preorder) What TET did say, though, is that one of those games will have been released within 6 weeks from now. The game's release will be used as a bargaining tool to convince other publishers to sign to GOG in an upcoming gaming conference that will take place in 6 weeks.
They'll probably offer a good incentive for the first one then and try to max as many preorders as they can.

I mentioned AOW III earlier, but I assume most don't agree that it's a AAA? That is a Strategy/RPG, I think. It's due on Steam March 31st, which is about 5 weeks from now, but not a big AAA...

Maybe the first one isn't necessarily a "big AAA" like the announcement leads you to believe, but one that does require regional pricing. I don't know much about Triumph Studios.
Posted February 24, 2014
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JohnnyDollar: They'll probably offer a good incentive for the first one then and try to max as many preorders as they can.

I mentioned AOW III earlier, but I assume most don't agree that it's a AAA? That is a Strategy/RPG, I think. It's due on Steam March 31st, which is about 5 weeks from now, but not a big AAA...

Maybe the first one isn't necessarily a "big AAA" like the announcement leads you to believe, but one that does require regional pricing. I don't know much about Triumph Studios.
Another reason why they don't agree it's Age of Wonders 3, is because it wouldn't be a surprise if it was. What with all this NDA stuff, we are assuming that it's a game that we didn't know was actually coming to GOG. And I do think it would need to be a big first game to convince other publishers. Something like Dark Souls II would indeed catch their attention much more than something like Age of Wonders 3.
Posted February 24, 2014
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JohnnyDollar: They'll probably offer a good incentive for the first one then and try to max as many preorders as they can.

I mentioned AOW III earlier, but I assume most don't agree that it's a AAA? That is a Strategy/RPG, I think. It's due on Steam March 31st, which is about 5 weeks from now, but not a big AAA...

Maybe the first one isn't necessarily a "big AAA" like the announcement leads you to believe, but one that does require regional pricing. I don't know much about Triumph Studios.
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Grargar: Another reason why they don't agree it's Age of Wonders 3, is because it wouldn't be a surprise if it was. What with all this NDA stuff, we are assuming that it's a game that we didn't know was actually coming to GOG. And I do think it would need to be a big first game to convince other publishers. Something like Dark Souls II would indeed catch their attention much more than something like Age of Wonders 3.
I think one of them may be South Park The stick of truth which comes out march 6th i believe.
Posted February 24, 2014
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I have a good Idea for a new game South Park the Steaming shitpile of puke!
Posted February 24, 2014
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JohnnyDollar: They'll probably offer a good incentive for the first one then and try to max as many preorders as they can.

I mentioned AOW III earlier, but I assume most don't agree that it's a AAA? That is a Strategy/RPG, I think. It's due on Steam March 31st, which is about 5 weeks from now, but not a big AAA...

Maybe the first one isn't necessarily a "big AAA" like the announcement leads you to believe, but one that does require regional pricing. I don't know much about Triumph Studios.
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Grargar: Another reason why they don't agree it's Age of Wonders 3, is because it wouldn't be a surprise if it was. What with all this NDA stuff, we are assuming that it's a game that we didn't know was actually coming to GOG. And I do think it would need to be a big first game to convince other publishers. Something like Dark Souls II would indeed catch their attention much more than something like Age of Wonders 3.
Ok, AOW III is out then I guess.

You've got PC gamers salivating over Dark Souls 2. That would be a BIG SURPRISE. Might even stand a chance of the original coming here too if the 2nd one does. The 1st one still uses GFWL. I don't think they've removed it yet. Not that I'm saying that that's a hinderance from coming here. I don't want to say no way with DS II, but if they pull that off I will be shocked.;)

GOG may be reaching into their pockets some to try and make it successful with the regional pricing requirement. I can see them doing that. That would make some folks that are upset in this thread do a 180.
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Posted February 24, 2014
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mangamuscle: IMO is the end consumer who ALWAYS should have the option to say "F*ck it those prices are too ridiculous", otherwise gog would be deciding for us and we are not little kids anymore, we vote with our money and they have the tools to gauge what does that mean.
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crazy_dave: I think retailers and companies can be part of that discussion too - For instance as part of competing against other stores, GOG has an imperative to draw people to their store. For GOG that has meant that they don't want to flood the store with games people don't want to buy because they are either shovel-ware or badly priced which may make it harder to find good games at good prices and cause people to leave. Of course it is a balancing act between that and making sure they are offering people contact they want, causing them to go elsewhere (hence the wish list).
1. Many of the good old classics that gog is proud of are what many retail stores call shovel-ware, so :p
2. gog will never accept higher prices than steam or similar online stores, so :p
Posted February 24, 2014
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Grargar: "We've lined up 3 big titles that we will be bringing to GOG.com in the next couple of months for sale or preorder" is GOG's official line. Perhaps not all of them might be released in a couple of months. (they might just become available for preorder) What TET did say, though, is that one of those games will have been released within 6 weeks from now. The game's release will be used as a bargaining tool to convince other publishers to sign to GOG in an upcoming gaming conference that will take place in 6 weeks.
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JohnnyDollar: They'll probably offer a good incentive for the first one then and try to max as many preorders as they can.

I mentioned AOW III earlier, but I assume most don't agree that it's a AAA? That is a Strategy/RPG, I think. It's due on Steam March 31st, which is about 5 weeks from now, but not a big AAA...

Maybe the first one isn't necessarily a "big AAA" like the announcement leads you to believe, but one that does require regional pricing. I don't know much about Triumph Studios.
It all can be very simple - Larian with Divinity:OS, Triumph with Age Of wonders 3, maybe also inXile with Wasteland 2 (and many others "kickstarters" already greenlit on Steam) - all those signed contracts with Steam, and probably did not pay enough attention to small font "regional pricing" clause, forcing them to have the same price in other digital stores - resulting in nice collision with fair flat pricing policy on GOG... But they also promised kickstarter backers to release those games here on GOG... And now what to do? GOG was too late with signing contracts, so they have to adapt... And seeing it will be problematic to catch all contracts sooner in the future, they just decided to stop fighting on that front...

Another very simple possibility is, that some great retail shop distributor in Europe is pushing hard all digital stores to adapt regional pricing... at the beginning of February it was GMG, now GOG ...
Posted February 24, 2014
Wow, big thread. Anyone mind answering me these questions?

Will GOG be re-pricing everything in the store according to this new regional thing, or will the only regionally priced games be specific ones from publishers who only do regional pricing?

Will any classic old games that come to GOG in the future be regionally priced?

How will the regional pricing be enforced, will someone simply be able to change their location in account settings to get cheaper games? Will it track the IP of the user to determine which price to charge? Are GOG aware that such methods aren't exactly very effective?
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