The good thing about Android, is that you can choose between Google Play or anything else and not be forced to just Steam, riiiight? So for the games that are on Amazon Underground, you... own... everything... in... them... You're not making sense. The standard edition is not available on Android? Then what is this Knights of Pen and Paper +1 that I have installed on my Android devices? A non-existent version or something? And again, the Amazon Underground version of the game counts as the Deluxier for Free edition if you care so much about DLC and the likes that basically you're willing to give up freedom in order to get extras. Checkmate. And I'd rather buy the full expansions after the initial purchase any day over buying the game in one fell swoop with DRM on it.

You seem confused:

Android is the platform. Google Play and Amazon are the vendors. An alternative to Google Play is Amazon.

PC is the platform. Steam and GOG are the vendors. An alternative to Steam is GOG.

I said I prefer the PC platform over the Android platform , not just the Steam (a vendor on PC) over the Google Play (a vendor on Android).

Those "Actually Free" Amazon Underground apps and the Amazon Android app have other problems:

Android apps from Amazon rarely if ever gets updated or patched. The same apps would get regularly updated and patched on Google Play, but not on Amazon. A developer would often upload an app onto Amazon, then just it there and forget about it. (Which has made me very reluctant to buy any app from Amazon. I have actually contacted Amazon support about this problem, but they just kinda dismissed it. So, for me Amazon Appstore is only good for getting freebies and nothing else; certainly do not spend money on it.)

The Amazon app also constantly launches in the background on its own and sends my usage information to Amazon. My phone and tablet have a root app to block and shut down Amazon (and other similar intrusive "spying" apps) so it is not a problem for me. However, most users are not that sophisticated, and the Amazon app is an intrusive app (that spies on users and steals users' usage data.) So, do you think that is not as bad as DRM if not worse? So, when someone installs an "Actually Free" Amazon Underground app, she also opens herself to intrusions that are worse than DRM, (unless she knows how to root her device and block Amazon's intrusions; and most people do not know how to do that.)

I've just gone over to the Humble Bundle website and check out the pages for Knights of Pen and Paper +1 and Knights of Pen and Paper +1 Deluxier Edition: neither page lists Android under "Platforms" and "Operating Systems", (i.e., neither has the Android icon.) Maybe the Android version was available in the past, but not now. Maybe Humble Bundle had the Android version bundled but have removed it, I dunno; or maybe you are just mistaken. I just know the Humble store version of the game does NOT have an Android version at this moment. Either way, what you claimed does not check out.

BTW, I've noticed that the Android apps on Humble Bundle also never gets updated or patched.

Okay. Okay. But are the alternatives on PC as attractive as they are on Android? On Android, I bet the alternatives are all so lucrative, as opposed to one alternative just working out and even then, its missing out on many (GOG). These Android apps don't get updated, you choke the developers out of it. Its simple. Its not Amazon that has the problem, but the developers are. You even implied its their fault (check the bold part in your quote), yet you complained to the wrong party (check the italic part in your quote). No wonder why they dismissed your problem, because its NOT their problem, its the developer's. Intrusions worse than DRM? Yeah, you just said that DRM is worse than DRM. Cool. Also, do define what the app 'spies' on. Either way, whether its Steam or Amazon, you're still installing an intrusive app that'll steal your data usage in order to do whatever the hell they need to do. Fine. What I claimed does not check out. Here is proof to support my claims:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=6415CEF5FC0EACBE!1124&authkey=!AF2cwSI2L7Et81U&v=3&ithint=photo%2cpng Again, you choke the developers out of it. Its not up to Humble Bundle to update their games, its up to the DEVELOPERS to do just that.

Do you work for Amazon? Because that is the exact same response Amazon gave me: "oh, it is not our problem; it is the developer's problem". That is not what a customer wants to hear.

It should NOT be a customer's problem to directly deal with the developers and constantly urge them to upload available updates to a specific vendor's website. It should be the vendor's responsibility: if the vendor wants a customer's business, then the vendor should make the effort to keep its products current and up-to-date. It is the vendor's responsibility to keep the products it sell current and up-to-date. Being a vendor is not just "I already got your money, now the product is not my problem." If the vendor fails to fulfill its basic responsibility, then I'd just go buy the products somewhere else. It is that simple. (Which is why I would NEVER buy an app on Amazon; I did it a couple times, but I would never again.)

As for your Knights of Pen and Paper +1:

(a) it's on a personal cloud storage, NOT directly from the Humble site. I have no idea where you got it from or if it is a cracked version.

(b) That seems to be the regular version that does not include the IAP and expanded contents, not the all-inclusive "Deluxier" versions.

(b) Still does not change the fact that the Android version is NOT available on Humble store right now (or if it was ever available before.)

Its not the vendor's problem that the app is not updated. Its the developers' problem. Some apps like to be outdated versus their iOS counterparts, but are they ever being blamed on Google Play? No. They blame the developers for updating the iOS version first and leaving behind Android in the dust. Its the same for Google Play and Amazon. You should complain that the developer is updating the Google Play app first, then leaving the Amazon version in the dust, not complain about Amazon. They're not the party you should speak for. I know it should not be the customer's problems to deal with forcing the developers to update their apps, but guess what, Amazon does not have the repositories of the updated app to upload, but the developers do. Complaining to the right party helps.

In other words, its the developers' problem that they are leaving a platform in the dust. What Amazon told you is right.

As for the Knights of Pen and Paper +1:

(a) No. You never even opened the link! Its a screenshot of my Humble Bundle library, with the list showing only Knights of Pen for Android. The kicker here? Its on Humble Bundle.

(b) Okay.

(b) Oh come, I just gave you a screenshot proving the Android version was on Humble Bundle, and yet you doubt if it ever was available before?

Again, you are confused by the different between platforms and vendors.

iOS is a platform, not a vendor.

Let say a developer has already made an update/patch for an Android app and uploaded it onto Google Play. That means an update/patch for the Android platform is already available. So if it's on Google Play, then it really should be on Amazon Appstore as well - they are both on the same platform or OS. Amazon, as a vendor that wants to compete with Google Play and grab market share from Google Play, should pay attention to those updates and patches. Amazon - as a competing vendor - should make those developers upload those updates/patches that are available on Google Play onto its Amazon Appstore. It is NOT my responsibility to contact those developers - there could be hundreds or thousands of them - and urge them to upload the updates/patches to Amazon. Amazon does not pay me to upkeep its apps. Amazon, as a vendor that wants to compete with Google Play, would have to hire employees to make sure their apps are current and up-to-date so that they can compete with Google Play. However, Amazon does not. The consequences is customers (like me) would stay away from buying any app from Amazon because we know apps on Amazon would never get updated/patched. It is not my problem - because I can easily just go to the competing vendor. It is an Amazon's problem because Amazon loses sales, loses business, and loses market share because of it.

On the other hand, just because a developer has made an update/patch for an iOS app does not mean an update/patch is available for the Android version. The update/patch could be for some problems that are specific to the iOS platform. Often the same apps are not completely the same on iOS and Android: they may have slightly different GUI, different functionalities, different contents, etc. They may even have different developers, (i.e., a developer make the iOS version, and another makes the Android version.) It's just like you do not expect the PC version and the console version of the a game to have the same version number.

Also, your Knights of Pen and Paper is NOT the Deluxier version. Which means it does NOT include the IAP and expanded contents. That's the whole point to begin with.

BTW. I've just noticed something I'd missed earlier.... the Amazon Underground version of the your so-called "Actually Free" Knights of Pen and Paper +1. The Underground "free" edition does NOT include the Haunted Fall expansion (and its respective IAP contents.) Neither does your Humble edition. The PC Deluxier edition, which is all-inclusive, does... so, checkmate again?

Let's not forget my original point: the PC versions of a game are (generally) better than the Android versions - because (a) the PC versions (generally) do not have the IAP that the standard in the Android versions of the same games; the IAP contents are already included in the base games on the PC, or (b) the PC often has an all-inclusive "Deluxe" version of the game that already includes all the IAP contents, while Android (or iOS) often does not offer that all-inclusive deluxe version.

Personally, I have less tolerance for IAP than DRM.

Okay. It is STILL not up to Amazon to update their apps. None of the stores have a clause that says the apps must be updated to its latest version. That's for one. Secondly, you forgot that the Google Play version of an Android app might include integration with GOOGLE services, and likely replacing them with AMAZON services or updating them while integrating new features with AMAZON services is such a big big big time wasting problem for developers. Plus what is the Amazon Appstore's intended audience for? That's right, the Kindle and Fire devices. They don't have Google at all, and their Android is pretty much a radical re-doing of Google's, that you'd almost feel like you're not using Android. It is again the developer's problem. Blame them for being lazy. Often the iOS version has more features than the Android versions in apps which favor iOS updates, and these features are far from being impossible on Android. iOS users get more features on their iOS update favored app than on Google Play, yet none complain that Google Play has outdated apps. But they complain that the developer left an app without an update for ages. That is it. The developer is responsible for the app. It should be the developer's reputation that is being at stake, NOT the distributor. Both Humble Bundle and Amazon Underground editions do include the Haunted Fall expansion. How do I know? Whenever I start the game, the "Haunted Fall DLC" icon pretty much replaces the logo of the game. And I noticed this with the Humble Bundle version and the Amazon Underground version. Checkmate. And my original point is as follows: while you're complaining that the IAP is separate than the base game (a very very VERY minor problem), I complain that PC games on certain services more often than not imploy DRM. Which means that if the circumstances align to the worst, boom, none of my games can be played. WHAT'S BETTER: Buying the whole game and losing it all when you have to go offline, or buying the base game and keeping it whether you are online or offline? If I have a chance to lose the game, would rather have even a quarter of it in my control instead.

I just know the Humble store sell TWO different version of Knights of Pen and Paper +1: the standard version and the Deluxier version. Neither version (as it is at the Humble store now) offers an Android version; neither has an Android icon listed under "Platform" or "Operating Systems". You claimed otherwise, but that is not what I saw at the Humble store:

(1) I just know what you claim does not match what I see on the Humble store website. You showed me some screenshot that I have no way of verifying.

(2) Even if your screenshot was real, the version of Knights of Pen and Paper +1 in your screenshot is the standard version, not the Deluxier version. Yet you then claimed your standard version includes the contents from the Deluxier version. Why would the Humble store even sell the Deluxier version separately if the standard version already has the Deluxier contents? That just does not make sense.

Let just say I am very doubtful of your your claims. Your claims just do not add up. Actually, I do not trust anything you said, at all - especially what you showed in your screenshot contradicts what you said you had in your game. At this point, it seems to me that you are just making up stuff as you go along.

Anyway, if you prefer having your games on Android over PC, then go ahead and spend your money on the Android versions. I prefer having my games on PC - because I know PC games ultimately offer better values for my money, so I am going to continue to spend my money on the PC versions. For me, IAP is the dealbreaker, but DRM is not; you claimed to hold the opposite position on IAP and DRM - while continuously and conveniently ignore that Android apps from both Google Play and Amazon have DRM (as well as IAP - except for a small number of "Amazon Underground" apps.) Neither of us is going to change the other person's mind. Let's just leave it at that. This back-and-forth thing has been getting tiresome.

Amazon Underground games have this "Game Circle" notification that keeps popping up during gameplay and interrupting players - and it cannot be turned off, (i.e., I saw everyone asking in Reddit and Amazon forums on how to turn of the darn Game Circle that is embedded in Amazon Underground games, and I have not seen a definitive solution yet.) That is not "unobtrusive", and it is certainly worse than any DRM I have encountered. So much for "Actually Free".

Jesus harold christ on rubber crutches are we really going to argue about this all day and night?

"Right now it looks like the prices have been reduced in the US, Canada, Mexico, and many South American countries including Brazil, Colombia, Peru, Argentina, and Chile, but no European countries that we can spot, no Australia, no India"

Not sure how any aussies are buying these. Many games on Android have IAP (good number have work arounds but a lot of grinding is generally involved or have heaps of ads) and also more and more are requiring google play to be installed and used (which is a fucking pain as that app itself is not small when u consider there are still many devices which have limited storage space)

Dang not discounted here in my region. xD

EA dun want monies, then shall they no receive mine.

I just put proof to my claim as an un-edited screenshot. Whether you believe my proof or not, I don't care. Oh, and indeed the version from Humble Bundles does include the Haunted Fall DLC as a purchase. How can I make you doubt of yourself for doubting me? Heh, I still don't know what kind of DRM is there with Google Play. Few games do employ it, but not all do, and like I said, I installed my Google Play games on a device with no Google account. That pretty much sounds like no DRM for me. As for Amazon (Underground), that's for another day, but since I get the titles for the price of free, I don't mind. Yeah, let's leave it at that.

I just looked into the IAP for Need for Speed though. The only IAP available are ones to convert your real money to your ONLY in-game currency, which is the one you normally win in races. Power Ping Pong doesn't seem to have any IAPs as I tried finding one but couldn't.