THe same AMD that was preaching about open market and backing Vulkan development? The same one that said you shouldn't tie your horse to the NVidia wagon for fear of locked content?! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I am relieved that I upgraded to an Nvidia card after 6 years using my old trusty AMD card

Alright alright, peace in life and the forum, war in the games.

Hopefully this will either be fixed or Dege or someone else comes to the rescue.

AMD previously, Nvidia now, AMD next as I am getting a used card as a present and quite probably nVidia after that again but we will see. If it works, does not draw too much power, is not too noisy and comes at a reasonable price I do not care whose processor sits on the card.

More games to add.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7na5ws/amd_is_unlikely_to_devote_any_valuable/

Just did a quick test of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Lost Alpha. Works fine in all except for DX9, which just crashes with no reports.

I tend to stick with Nvidia cards for anything gaming to 3d render applications but the cpu side I am really mixed bag with them still with the new ryzen. I hope they can fix this cause if I was to go amd card I will lose all my command and conquer games to this issue! Not cool AMD >:(

DX is irrelevant anyways. Its windows only API. I support AMD here, if they invest in Vulkan instead.

edit: typo

I expect AMD to fix this DX9 issue in upcoming hotfixes, because breaking games like The Witcher and C&C3 simply makes them look bad.

Well that sucks but remember Nvidia has DRMed their programs that make use of their cards, don't have basic drivers ready to go packaged with the cards and have poor failsafes if fan tuning programs crash.

As I interpret their response, it leans more to a "we can't afford to" rather than a "we don't care enough to".

Not a deal breaker if they keep pushing for Vulkan. And DX can be worked around via wrappers. They have had worse issues before (i.e., 3xxxM / 4xxxM Radeons with absolutely no 2D acceleration whatsoever).

That said, I have been an NVIDIA user since the Riva TNT (1999-ish), and I can say with confidence that NVIDIA doesn't fix everything with their driver updates for years (i.e., flat panel scaling limitations despite being provided standards). Sometimes they even introduce new problems (i.e., new drivers increasing the temperature of older GPUs).

So exactly how far reaching is this problem? Has anyone here with an AMD card using those DX9-breaking drivers tested more game than those shown in that Reddit thread? What about:-

- DX9 GOG titles (eg, FEAR, Oblivion, Dragon Age Origins, The Cat Lady, Torchlight, This War of Mine, QUBE, ShadowRun Returns, etc)?

- DX7-8 titles upgraded to use DX9 renderers (eg, TafferPatched Thief 1-2)?

- DX7-8 titles (eg, Giants Citizens Kabuto, NOLF 1-2, etc)?

- 2D DDraw titles (eg, Age of Empires 1-2 (retail), Commandos BEL, Diablo 2, etc)?

"AMD Ray"'s forum response was not very impressive either way...

Does this issue only affect AMD GPUs or does it also affect AMD-brand CPUs?

It's a graphics driver update so it only affects their APU lines if you use integrated graphics. It shouldn't do anything to a Ryzen/Threadripper.

Sure, but AMD is not competing though; they are merely adding sub-par GPUs of bad value to the market...and that is exponentially more so the case given their new DX9-breaking policy. In other words, AMD GPUs are bad for consumers. That's why they have to sell them by using shady & misleading marketing techniques like PR stunts of "blind impression tests" rather than with honest & objective data - which is how good products that were capable to stand on their own merits would be sold.

The best way for consumers finally to have competition would be for AMD to exit the GPU market. When that happens, it might give rise to a new & actual competitor...like how ATI used to be before AMD bought them out and then drove their products into the ground.

Are you still hungover from christmas/new years eve? :p

How could it possibly be good for competition if AMD left the GPU market. It would leave only nvidia & they're already shady as shit lol.

Yes, this DX9 thing isn't good, but it'd be a shit load worse if there was no AMD, seeing as there's only AMD & nvidia.
There's been nothing to stop anyone else making gfx cards over the years, yet it hasn't happened, so why would it now or in the near future?

As for subpar...perhaps the Vega was a bit of a let down, not helped by everyone following the hype train. The 480's/580's are good cards, apart from their current prices, but that's because of the miners buying en masse & forcing the prices sky high.

As for them being dishonest. I suppose nvidia have never done anything of the sort. Oh wait, they have, both firms have.

Which leads to the DX9 thing. I've tried some DX9 games that work, A couple I have that don't, so it may be down to how they were coded (time'll tell), which is not the fault of AMD.