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Breja: But of course the worst problem is that it's just a terribly stupid movie, where the plot is only propelled at every turn by pretty much all the characters being the dumbest people to ever grace the silver screen. It's visually beautiful, and has very good music, but if not for the production values it would be the kind of B-movie that Mystery Science Theatre makes fun of.
So you did see Convenant then! :P
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mechmouse: At least they're going away from the "God is an alien and we're a mistake" rubbish of the last few films
I thought it was cool. :(

Then again, against the consensus of renowned scientists and experts, I also felt Skyline (2010) was a great movie and Farcry 2 a great game.
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mechmouse: At least they're going away from the "God is an alien and we're a mistake" rubbish of the last few films
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timppu: I thought it was cool. :(

Then again, against the consensus of renowned scientists and experts, I also felt Skyline (2010) was a great movie and Farcry 2 a great game.
I kinda liked Highlander 2

My issue with Promethus is it felt like an entirely different film shoe horned into an existing franchise. The plot was fine it just would have worked better as its own franchise.


Exactly the same with Highlander 2, Goddess I would have love to have seen what the original script could have been with its whole 80's eco warrior anti capitalist stance
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Braggadar: -snip-
This is all rapidly reaching the, "Why should I care about Jimmey Olson" factor that comic books have.
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Zimerius: I slightly remember Prometheus too. . . I mean i remember a bald Charlize Theron, but nothing beyond that little fact (which maybe wrong too) I also remember Charlize Theron in a multitude of weird sci fi flicks. . . and that Chanel commercial. . .
<sighs
Charlize was shaved bald for Fury Road; I think she had a ponytail in Prometheus. Most infamously, she ran straight down a road while a giant space-donut was rolling towards her. Everybody who says this was a stupid way to die doesn't seem to notice that each side of the road is littered with rocks between fist and knee-high size. If she ran to the side, she would have tripped and made swiss cheese of herself on the ground. Walking slowly on the other hand, I think there was enough time to do that in the moment the donut landed.
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LegoDnD: Charlize was shaved bald for Fury Road; I think she had a ponytail in Prometheus. Most infamously, she ran straight down a road while a giant space-donut was rolling towards her. Everybody who says this was a stupid way to die doesn't seem to notice that each side of the road is littered with rocks between fist and knee-high size.
Because a spaceship crashing down in such a way it will coincidentally roll perfectly along this one patch of "road" isn't stupid?


Anyway, the problem with that scene is less whether the character did or didn't make a stupid choice of running straight down that road, and more that it looks and feels more like something from a Roadrunner cartoon than an Alien movie.
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ᛞᚨᚱᚹᛟᚾᛞ: Wow, those are a lot of names and movies I can't pretend to care about.

So is this a remake, a reboot, a sequel, or just Hollywood being out of ideas again?
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mechmouse: Looks like a spin off

Looking at set design and weapons, its set around the Aliens period

At least they're going away from the "God is an alien and we're a mistake" rubbish of the last few films
sadly iom not so sure about that. scott is still producer. :/
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Breja: Quite the contrary, I think Prometheus answered way too much, and in deeply unsatisfying ways. As prequels usually do.
and had bugger all to do with the Alien (the creation of Giger, not Scott). Again, Tony Scott is dead and no longer holding him back in his madness - or helping the art department do its thing. Giger of course dead by this point too.
Post edited March 22, 2024 by Sachys
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mechmouse: At least they're going away from the "God is an alien and we're a mistake" rubbish of the last few films
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timppu: I also felt Skyline (2010) was a great movie.
Me too, never understood the lambasting it still gets. Decent premise, decent visual effects, decent acting and an interesting cliffhanger/setup for multiple sequels. Which unfortunately were all utter dogshit, precisely because they ignored/squandered the opportunity to seamlessly continue where the original left off. I think one of them tried but it still felt completely disconnected.

This new Alien film looks like it could turn out to be actually good?
We'll see.
Post edited March 22, 2024 by Yigdboz
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Breja: Because a spaceship crashing down in such a way it will coincidentally roll perfectly along this one patch of "road" isn't stupid?

Anyway, the problem with that scene is less whether the character did or didn't make a stupid choice of running straight down that road, and more that it looks and feels more like something from a Roadrunner cartoon than an Alien movie.
Every time I've ever seen that scene being clowned on, they're always banging on about running straight forward and not about the donut's laser-guided crash landing. Cinema Sins, cursed be their quality of critique to begin with, even coined the phrase "the Prometheus School of Running Away from Things".
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Breja: I have to admit I have never seen Covenant. But after Prometheus... come on.
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Braggadar: If you want to bin Prometheus for setting up questions without answering them, then you'll want to burn Covenant for continuing not to answer them. But eventually, you'll have to bite the bullet and endure it once. I got it on blu-ray to put alongside the rest of the franchise in my cupboard, but it and Prometheus are so out favour for me they're not going to be watched very often. Alien and Aliens though get watched quite frequently because they're awesome. Alien 3 I like for other reasons, but it's not special.

Covenant is nothing more than giving a deranged android more screen-time to screw over humans. Fassbender is a competent, sometimes brilliant, actor, but there's only so much you can do with playing a deadpan emotionless automaton with a lacklustre script And the gore is next-level for the Alien franchise. It's... well, no other film has made me feel as sick at that one manages to. There's scary and gory while being entertaining, and then there's almost clinical and graphic gore without the fun. Covenant goes for the latter while trying to pretend it's the former. The rest of the cast are merely cannon-fodder; you really don't connect with any of them enough to worry who's going to die next.

Go in with low expectations and you won't be disappointed nor surprised. It's a turd in a pretty wrapper.
This is the only review of Alien Covenant that the world needs.
Prometheus would've been a fairly good movie if they didn't attempt to ruin the Alien franchise with their sh*tty origin story that is just plain boring.

As far as A:Romulus goes, I'm allergic to modern trailers (they all suck ass, including this one) so hard to say if this movie might be any good but I'm skeptical. Pacing seems to be way too hectic and it's the usual lifeless CGI-bullshit. But I would be thoroughly happy if I'm wrong.
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timppu: I also felt Skyline (2010) was a great movie.
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Yigdboz: Me too, never understood the lambasting it still gets. Decent premise, decent visual effects, decent acting and an interesting cliffhanger/setup for multiple sequels. Which unfortunately were all utter dogshit, precisely because they ignored/squandered the opportunity to seamlessly continue where the original left off. I think one of them tried but it still felt completely disconnected.
I haven't yet seen the sequels but yeah, I have understood they don't offer much anyone who was getting excited for a sequel due to the cliffhanger ending.

I recall thinking the movie had surprisingly good special effects for a supposedly low budget movie, and I liked how the movie didn't revolve around people who are pivotal in making the aliens lose (like e.g. Independence Day and similar), but common people trying to survive and seeing mostly from the passenger's seat how the army is trying to cope with the threat, etc. That made it more than a mere popcorn movie like Independence Day etc.

And yeah it was the cliffhanger which made me like the movie even more. I just learned from some Youtube video that the movie was supposed to end at the protagonists being sucked into the spaceship (= game over), but the studio decided they want to add an extra ending showing what the aliens are actually doing to the humans, and then the twist.

It would have been nice if the twist would have happened halfway through the movie and we would have seen a glimmer of hope how the couple is surviving and maybe making an escape etc., but as it is the ending was still quite mindblowing to me, at the same level as Sixth Sense or Unusual Suspects or such...

One negative review video I saw felt negative of it because of the movie's hopelessness, like it seemed that there was no glimmer of hope for the humanity, and whenever you thought there was, no, the rug was pulled from under you. Yeah I guess it was like that, but if anything I found that refreshing, instead of the ID-like "send in the virus and a lone fighter collides with the mother ship, killing it for once and for all", a dumbed down feel-good movie.

War of the Worlds was a bit similar that the protagonist was mostly just trying to survive (which was good), but the ending... I guess you could call it Deus ex Machina, even if it was a logical one in a sense, and somewhat satisfying.
I just leave this in here :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eNG5G4blMs
As a science-fiction fan, I tend to watch every Alien movie (except Asylum films).
Have not partaken of the alien franchise since aliens and some of the stuff y'all are talking about seems wild, I might finally have to watch all these flicks.
Prometheus is underrated but I get why so many people don't like it. There were some extremely silly choices made. Still if you take it as a mood piece, it really nails atmosphere. You can tell Ridley Scott had a vision in mind and realized it. Not every vision is a winner though.

David's low key resentment of humanity, motivation, and sibling rivalry is expertly crafted.

So much work went into the symbolism and esoteric philosophy that completely went over my head until I went looking for explanations is beautiful once you finish the 6-week correspondence course. Darkgrape has a very informative slide show presentation that explains a great deal.

That stupid snake/arm hugger though. #fail

Also, I don't think Scott understands how evolution works.

The whole ancient aliens thing is fascinating, but he is about 20 years too late to blow the minds of general audiences. There is more fertile ground to be covered on this topic that audiences are ready for. The concept of Panspermia, for instance.

The motivations of the Engineers are interpretted for us by David, whose ill will towards humanity may make his interpretation unreliable. "Humanity was a mistake", yes but by what metric? What were they trying to accomplish? Were they trying to create a species better than themselves? The Engineers don't have a point of view.

Also, why would you ask those questions of a ship pilot? Do you ask a pilot of a private jet for why you are flying across the ocean? "because you paid me to, dude".

Prometheus would have benefitted from a slower paced 8 hour series. Many of the character choices are victim to the two hour runtime.
Post edited March 23, 2024 by jadedrakerider