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IDK, you have to be beyond paranoid to suggest the West knocked off a band to send a message to Putin. It doesn't even make tactical sense in really any world.

It's not exactly the suspicious auto-accident of Victor Tsoi in terms of the circumstances and motive aligning.
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bler144: IDK, you have to be beyond paranoid to suggest the West knocked off a band to send a message to Putin. It doesn't even make tactical sense in really any world.

It's not exactly the suspicious auto-accident of Victor Tsoi in terms of the circumstances and motive aligning.
One needs only remember Obama congratulating Erdogan for dropping that Russian warplane, before. And Hilary's "no-fly-zone above Syria" promise. And NATO suddenly, without need or provocation, taunting Russians in Black Sea during their programmed routine operations there. And Obama's to Putin famous: "Zip it, there are going to be consequences about (supposed) hacking of our elections, at a time and place of our choosing".

It could be the case. Or it could be the case as an "accident". That plane was going to head over to Syria, after all (to entertain Russian soldiers there). But everything is theory and guess scenario stuff. Which wasn't my desire to start, in the first place.

I humbly request, for or against theorists to stop guessing and pay tribute instead, a kind word, something of this type.
Post edited December 25, 2016 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
Wow, this sucks. I'm not much of a music fan, but this is depressing.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: I humbly request, for or against theorists to stop guessing and pay tribute instead, a kind word, something of this type.
I know quite a number of Russian and Soviet performers (though more rock/pop/classical), and have even been to the ballet at the Bolshoi but I wasn't familiar with that band.

Still, yes, human tragedies are tragic and the loss of good music in the world is particularly unfortunate imo.
The number of incredible musicians we lose to air accidents is mind boggling.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: I humbly request, for or against theorists to stop guessing and pay tribute instead, a kind word, something of this type.
You're right. Whatever the cause was, even knowing it wouldn't return anyone. We lost good talanted people.
A sad and mournful day indeed. my prayers go out to the families that lost loved ones in the accident.
its also sad when brilliant musicians are lost. the world is worse this day
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bler144: I know quite a number of Russian and Soviet performers (though more rock/pop/classical), and have even been to the ballet at the Bolshoi but I wasn't familiar with that band.

Still, yes, human tragedies are tragic and the loss of good music in the world is particularly unfortunate imo.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandrov_Ensemble
Syria really has become the upgraded shit hole to witch everything goes to die. What a shame. They really were quite good.
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ciomalau: i didn't know them but was it terrorist attack?
Still unknown, but:

1. There is very strange video from nearby city, which shows big flash in the sky in place where plane could be at that moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNvgJmeWsP0

2. When plane from Egypt was blown by terrorists, the real cause was declared only after some time.

Also, there were 92 people onboard:

8 crew members of Tu-154
64 artists from Alexandrov Ensemble. It was their main part of the ensemble including the head.
8 Russian army officers including 1 general
2 Russian goverment members
9 journalists from 3 Russian TV channels (ORT, NTV and Zvezda).
1 doctor from international organisation "Fair Help". She saved many kids in warzones, helped people who was dying of cancer to get aid, was helping to send medicine and medics to Ukraine and Syria warzones. And she wasn't on side of West or Putin - she had problems with both sides if she was thinking they doing wrong things.
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: Official sources are that the airplane Tupolev was 30 years old. In my books, the terrorist is the company who allowed that ancient artifact to operate in our day and age.
It was a RUAF plane - they fly not so much than civilian planes. It was repaired and checked in 2014. Main reason why it still was used - it is 100% made in Russia. Russian military is strictly forbidden to use any vehicles or weapons with foreign parts. And after Mistral scandal this rule became even more stricter.
Post edited December 26, 2016 by Andrey82
And then you people take issue with ME, my opinions, my posts, my political standing. Here:

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/russia-plane-crash-democrat-wishes-more-civilians-died/

Your wonderful democrat, a sub-human rubbish bastard originating from the camel-f@ckers' coprolands, named Hussam Ayloush Shitstain, CELEBRATES for the tragedy and wishes all vacant seats of that airplane to had been filled, before takeoff... In his official tweeter account!

F@ck you Hilary, F@ck you retarded, cancerous, braindead mutants with identity crisis and endless list of issues, F@ck your assortment of democratic filth (democratic only in name) and f@ck your messed up brain goo matter! I always knew that fascists were posing as democrats and real nazis as liberals, but this is simply too much. You and your multitude of personality crisis is a complete twisted alien entity from outer space, a stuff for future generations of psychiatrists to research for many years thereupon. Trash ass cannibals, waste garbage children of an ass, broken DNA abominations!
Post edited December 26, 2016 by KiNgBrAdLeY7
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KiNgBrAdLeY7: And then you people take issue with ME, my opinions, my posts, my political standing. Here:

[url=www.thepoliticalinsider.com/russia-plane-crash-democrat-wishes-more-civilians-died]http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/russia-plane-crash-democrat-wishes-more-civilians-died[/url]/

Your wonderful democrat, a sub-human rubbish bastard originating from the camel-f@ckers' coprolands, named Hussam Ayloush Shitstain, CELEBRATES for the tragedy and wishes all vacant seats of that airplane to had been filled, before takeoff... In his official tweeter account!

F@ck you Hilary, F@ck you retarded, cancerous, braindead mutants with identity crisis and endless list of issues, F@ck your assortment of democratic filth (democratic only in name) and f@ck your messed up brain goo matter! I always knew that fascists were posing as democrats and real nazis as liberals, but this is simply too much. You and your multitude of personality crisis is a complete twisted alien entity from outer space, a stuff for future generations of psychiatrists to research for many years thereupon. Trash ass cannibals, waste garbage children of an ass, broken DNA abominations!
idiots are everywhere, dont know what else to say
Post edited December 26, 2016 by apehater
Hussam Ayloush...from CAIR (aren't those the guys with links to the Muslim brotherhood?)...why is such scum even allowed into the US or any other Western country?
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morolf: Hussam Ayloush...from CAIR (aren't those the guys with links to the Muslim brotherhood?)...why is such scum even allowed into the US or any other Western country?
He's also on the executive board of the California Democratic Party...
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morolf: Hussam Ayloush...from CAIR (aren't those the guys with links to the Muslim brotherhood?)...why is such scum even allowed into the US or any other Western country?
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RWarehall: He's also on the executive board of the California Democratic Party...
The Democrats should be ashamed of that, but I guess thinly veiled Islamism (that's probably what this Alloush is...a Muslim subversive, using human/civil rights merely as a cloak) fits right in with their general focus on identity politics.