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Posted September 01, 2019
So let me get this straight:
Zoe Quinn killed with a tweet, then deleted the tweet as there to be no evidence of the murder-weapon.
Did I get that right?
https://youtu.be/lsDeU0_gaGk
Post edited September 01, 2019 by Klumpen0815
Posted September 01, 2019
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Seriously screwed up how a guy lost his job based on a twitter accusation. Unreasonable firing of employees is not limited to the big companies it seems. Also seems a lot of reporters didn't get the memo that he committed suicide : https://i.imgur.com/vAN3Nig.png
Posted September 01, 2019
BTW: Quinn is doing this right after she wasted 40,000 dollars on a Japanese vacation instead of making the game she crowdfunded the money for. I guess her Patreon account needs a boost.
Posted September 01, 2019
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Klumpen0815: BTW: Quinn is doing this right after she wasted 40,000 dollars on a Japanese vacation instead of making the game she crowdfunded the money for. I guess her Patreon account needs a boost.
It was 85.000 dollars that she conned out of people with her so-called progressive game.
https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/03/kickstarter-projects-85000-ran-out-a-long-time-ago-says-zoe-quinn/80548/
The laughable thing is this whore keeps getting jobs offered to her in the industry, She must be very good lying on her back to still be in this business with all her lies.
Posted September 01, 2019
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Klumpen0815: BTW: Quinn is doing this right after she wasted 40,000 dollars on a Japanese vacation instead of making the game she crowdfunded the money for. I guess her Patreon account needs a boost.
She probably needed a break from all the constant cyber violence. Don't victim blame.
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Posted September 01, 2019
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When you see a guy harassing the living shit out of a woman, don't laugh it off like dozens of people in Quinn's amply corroborated story. Holowka wrote one of the most beautiful soundtracks I've ever heard, and if he had been called out on his bullshit the minute he pulled it off, I'm convinced he would still be alive today.

Holowka had been known to be volatile and suicidal for a long time. One of my sources said his friends had to literally drag him off a bridge, and that certain people refused to work with him because of his volatility. He was known to have extreme mood swings. He was known to pull off the very same sexual harrassment shit that he was called out on by several women this week.

But no one told the next woman that. No one protected that next woman. No one spoke out against Holowka, which would have helped not just the victims, but also himself immensely.

His sister knows all that. His sister explicitly has no ill wishes towards any of the accusers. And she has, to no small degree, corroborated their stories yesterday. All I heard this week was "innocent until proven guilty", but now that the catastrophe happened and we have ample proof of the guilt, a whole bunch of people just jump an adjacent bandwagon of hate. It's an old trap in gaming culture.

You want proof positive of the guilt earlier so these tragedies can be prevented, I'm totally with you. But do participate. Call men out. Call your best bro buddy out if he pulls off that shit. Openly, immediately.

And don't be a shitposter these days.
Posted September 01, 2019
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Vainamoinen: ..shitposting..

And don't be a shitposter these days.
fuck each and everyone, their families, dogs and cats and insect like household creatures for posting allegations on the internet.
Posted September 01, 2019
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Cadaver747: Holowka died on 31 August 2019. According to his sister, who posted to Twitter about his death, Holowka had been "battling mood and personality disorders" through his life but "was a victim of abuse". She explained he had been trying to correct his own disorders in recent years through therapy and medication. She also stated that Holowka "said he wished the best for Zoë and everyone else".

- from Wiki
Tbf I wonder if that wish was genuine. The wikipedia pages lately have been getting hit by users editing to make some of them more left and paint some sites as more right than they are, while using various biased news article as evidence to post such and prove a "neutral pov".

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dgnfly: This is why you'd be better of not joining the SJW outrage mob cause before you know it you're their next target.
A bit rude and uncalled for, but this bit is very true......if you don't follow the group you are "a part of" many of them will try to make your life miserable or dig up dirt on you.

(At the very least they will not be friends with you anymore after such as they have to follow such or risk being cast aside themselves)

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Klumpen0815: I totally didn't notice that all this again came from Zoe Quinn. Isn't she known as quite the gaslighter that's using sex and Internet mobs to get ahead due to complete lack of talent?
She used such to get good reviews for her work and I think one meh game she made.

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Shadowstalker16: Seriously screwed up how a guy lost his job based on a twitter accusation. Unreasonable firing of employees is not limited to the big companies it seems. Also seems a lot of reporters didn't get the memo that he committed suicide : https://i.imgur.com/vAN3Nig.png
The sad fact is they are likely downplaying that bit for various reasons.....if someone more liked did such it'd be in all caps and big font that the person killed themselves. :(

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Klumpen0815: BTW: Quinn is doing this right after she wasted 40,000 dollars on a Japanese vacation instead of making the game she crowdfunded the money for. I guess her Patreon account needs a boost.
She could start selling bath water like that other woman did....it seems to sell well to dumb people.
Post edited September 01, 2019 by GameRager
Posted September 01, 2019
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Vainamoinen: Holowka had been known to be volatile and suicidal for a long time. One of my sources said his friends had to literally drag him off a bridge, and that certain people refused to work with him because of his volatility. He was known to have extreme mood swings. He was known to pull off the very same sexual harrassment shit that he was called out on by several women this week.

His sister knows all that. His sister explicitly has no ill wishes towards any of the accusers. And she has, to no small degree, corroborated their stories yesterday. All I heard this week was "innocent until proven guilty", but now that the catastrophe happened and we have ample proof of the guilt, a whole bunch of people just jump an adjacent bandwagon of hate. It's an old trap in gaming culture.
1st bit- Stop(what's the correct pc term? oh yeah....) Victim blaming.

2nd bit- Tell the innocent until proven guilty thing to all the MSM people who try painting people as criminals without proof or all the x-ist/x-phobic accusers online and IRL.
Posted September 01, 2019
The irony of being outraged on the internet at the people being outraged on the internet. So basically, on both sides, you have a bunch of useless and ignorant people raging over an event with nothing but secondhand information, at best.
Posted September 01, 2019
Came to the conclusion that I don't want any part in this discussion since it's about to get out of hand.
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Posted September 01, 2019
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qwixter: The irony of being outraged on the internet at the people being outraged on the internet. So basically, on both sides, you have a bunch of useless and ignorant people raging over an event with nothing but secondhand information, at best.
1. If you are trying to equate all outrage as bad that is a bit of flawed logic/reasoning.

2. We have more info here and this is more cut and dry than other similar cases.
Posted September 01, 2019
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qwixter: The irony of being outraged on the internet at the people being outraged on the internet. So basically, on both sides, you have a bunch of useless and ignorant people raging over an event with nothing but secondhand information, at best.
The irony of a gun shooter that shots innocent people with a gun getting stopped by people who shot him with a gun.

What I mean is, if good people don't act, evil is bound to simply win. Or perhaps doing nothing is the only good choice to partake, because we're talking about the humanities? And whats more important, on what moral basis is this good or evil even built on? Thats stuff I can't really answer because this is a dang gaming forum.

Personally I'd prefer to stay neutral (as in, not really favoring any viewpoint due to the lack of general intel) but even a so-called "fencesitters" like me believes that Holowka killing himself is a terrible moment in what will be remembered as a very dark day in indiegame history. As much as social media might be good for people due to its ease of use, finding new friends who share your own interests, stuff like that, its also another case example on how some groups in social media is a serious threat that may destroy lifes. How is that not worthy to point out or to the very least mention? In a normal world, people wouldn't post extremly serious allegations over on social media and be reasonable and responsible. This whole situation simply seems horrendous and downright insane to me.

Besides, you can spin the outrage circle ad-infinitum. As an example: you can be outraged over the people being outraged over the people being outraged over the people being outraged by random things that may or may not outrage people so your point is honestly lazy. And if you're hyperbolic so can I. Right now I'm outraged by your outrage, after all we're both posting in this thread with basically the same decorum.

Back to the topic, It seriously sucks that Holowka passed away and in such a way as well and it also partially reminds be of the whole Etika situation (from what I can understand anyway). I still even remember checking out Holowkas and Derek Yus (who also worked on "I'm OK", fantastic game btw) website shortly before Aquarias release and general hype regarding the game which was back when IndieGames.com had regular news posts about the game. Personally I'm really thankful that Holowka participated in those Indie game circles or otherwise there would've been a huge chance we've never experience those fantastic games he helped making that we nowadays fondly remember. It doesn't seem so long ago but 2004 - 2009 really were the indie glory days.
Post edited September 01, 2019 by Dray2k
Posted September 01, 2019
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Vainamoinen: All I heard this week was "innocent until proven guilty", but now that the catastrophe happened and we have ample proof of the guilt, a whole bunch of people just jump an adjacent bandwagon of hate. It's an old trap in gaming culture.

You want proof positive of the guilt earlier so these tragedies can be prevented, I'm totally with you. But do participate. Call men out.

Call your best bro buddy out if he pulls off that shit. Openly, immediately.
Ample proof of whose guilt? What is "gaming culture"?

Call only men out? It isn't sad that Zoe decided to air accusations that should've been handled by the police on social media against Alec who was in a bad state mentally? No fault there then? What about the studio firing this unstable person? No fault there either?

Your assessment of flaws in the system is wonderfully selective.
Posted September 01, 2019
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Dray2k: The irony of a gun shooter that shots innocent people with a gun getting stopped by people who shot him with a gun.

What I mean is, if good people don't act, evil is bound to simply win. Or perhaps doing nothing is the only good choice to partake, because we're talking about the humanities? And whats more important, on what moral basis is this good or evil even built on? That's stuff I can't really answer because this is a dang gaming forum.
The sad thing is some people think we need to disarm all people with guns because of a few bad people with guns, most likely leading to only bad people and cops having guns and civilians being able to stop such with guns wouldn't be possible legally.

Also imo evil can never be stopped fully.....sad to say, but it's part of humanity like greed/self interest for some and being afraid of those who are different in various ways from ourselves and our families/etc. :\
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