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dtgreene: Or, we can look at Advanced Dungeons & Dragons, which has some really strange rules regarding stats. There may be no difference between 6 and 14, yet the difference between 18 and 19 can be massive (it is with Strength, which also has those weird "exceptional strength" rules).
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Magnitus: While kind of a cool mechanic, strength was badly over-powered in the second edition for fighting types because of the percentile values (and mages were total weaklings at level 1, but started being completely overpowered the moment they got their hands on 3rd spells and above... unless the DM was really stingy with spell access in the campaign... by the time they got 5th level spells, it wasn't even a semblance of a contest anymore if the person playing the mage was creative at all with his usage of spells).

Each percentile category was essentially worth another full point in another stat and races that had +1 to strength could jump straight to 19 and pwn fighting types up of 3-4 levels above them. They were really going for that Conan vibe I guess.

And yes, the 8-14 range was the dead zone.

It wasn't balanced at all, but it was kind of fun though.
Some of those mechanics even carried over into early CRPGs, like stat dead zones and even the MP by spell level mechanic.

The MP by spell level mechanic (often termed "spell slots") has never made sense to me. Suppose you have the spells Cure Light Wounds, Cure Serious Wounds, and Bless. What I would expect, in terms of which spells share resources, would be one of the following:
* All three spells share the same resource (with CSW more expensive than CLW).
* CLW and CSW share the same resources (with CSW more expensive than CLW, of course), but Bless has its own resource.
* Each spell has a different resource (though that can lead to the situation where you can run out of CLW but still be able to cast CSW, which makes less sense).

What actually happens, in D&D and other games that adopt MP by spell level is:
* CLW and Bless share the same resource.
* CSW, rather than using more of the resource, uses an entirely different resource.

Another archaic aspect is healing balance. What we see, in AD&D, is the following:
* 1st level has a weak healing spell. Seems reasonable so far.
* 2nd and 3rd level both lack healing spells, so you're stuck with the weak healing spell for too long.
* 4th and 5th level each have an upgraded healing spell, though these spells are still extremely weak. (Why couldn't they have made CSW 3rd level so they'd be distributed a bit more evenly?)
* 6th level has Heal, which is a full heal, and as a result is much stronger than even the 5th level Cure Critical wounds.

In other words, healing is extremely weak until it isn't.

Thing is, we see many early CRPGs copying many of these strange aspects of AD&D. We see these in Wizardry, all but MP-by-level in Bard's Tale (only the full heal heals the entire party and is given to a class that doesn't get any weaker healing spells), and both MP-by-level and weak-healing-until-it-isn't in Final Fantasy 1 and 3 (though FF3 at least makes most healing not feel too weak until the endgame). (Also note that I'm talking about original FF3; the 3D remakes and the pixel remaster are different balance-wise in regards to healing. Also, only talking about pre-GBA FF1.)

Incidentally, the one AD&D mechanic that I haven't seen outside D&D or Pathfinder is prepared Vancian casting, where you have to allocate your magic resources to specific spells in advance, rather than having pools to cast from. (Note that this is not the same as MP-by-level; the two are orthogonal concepts.)
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pds41: Your play style should determine this, and as Orkhepaj says, read the manual, look at what they do and decide which one you want.
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dtgreene: What if the manual is vague or non-existent? What if the manual isn't trustworthy (for example, if I've verified that some of the manual's claims are actually incorrect)?
Then I won't play the game at all. If your game mechanics are so convoluted that I can't make out what character attributes do with the manual, how do you expect me to decide what to invest in without it? I could as well just click randomly.
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dtgreene: Some of those mechanics even carried over into early CRPGs, like stat dead zones and even the MP by spell level mechanic.

The MP by spell level mechanic (often termed "spell slots") has never made sense to me. Suppose you have the spells Cure Light Wounds, Cure Serious Wounds, and Bless. What I would expect, in terms of which spells share resources, would be one of the following:
* All three spells share the same resource (with CSW more expensive than CLW).
* CLW and CSW share the same resources (with CSW more expensive than CLW, of course), but Bless has its own resource.
* Each spell has a different resource (though that can lead to the situation where you can run out of CLW but still be able to cast CSW, which makes less sense).

What actually happens, in D&D and other games that adopt MP by spell level is:
* CLW and Bless share the same resource.
* CSW, rather than using more of the resource, uses an entirely different resource.

Another archaic aspect is healing balance. What we see, in AD&D, is the following:
* 1st level has a weak healing spell. Seems reasonable so far.
* 2nd and 3rd level both lack healing spells, so you're stuck with the weak healing spell for too long.
* 4th and 5th level each have an upgraded healing spell, though these spells are still extremely weak. (Why couldn't they have made CSW 3rd level so they'd be distributed a bit more evenly?)
* 6th level has Heal, which is a full heal, and as a result is much stronger than even the 5th level Cure Critical wounds.

In other words, healing is extremely weak until it isn't.

Thing is, we see many early CRPGs copying many of these strange aspects of AD&D. We see these in Wizardry, all but MP-by-level in Bard's Tale (only the full heal heals the entire party and is given to a class that doesn't get any weaker healing spells), and both MP-by-level and weak-healing-until-it-isn't in Final Fantasy 1 and 3 (though FF3 at least makes most healing not feel too weak until the endgame). (Also note that I'm talking about original FF3; the 3D remakes and the pixel remaster are different balance-wise in regards to healing. Also, only talking about pre-GBA FF1.)

Incidentally, the one AD&D mechanic that I haven't seen outside D&D or Pathfinder is prepared Vancian casting, where you have to allocate your magic resources to specific spells in advance, rather than having pools to cast from. (Note that this is not the same as MP-by-level; the two are orthogonal concepts.)
The most abusable spells in 2nd edition didn't make their way into computer games. They were mostly reserved for those playing pen & paper.

For example, "fly" (3rd level spell that you rarely find in computer games) gives you incredible mobility and allow you to rain death on many types of characters safely from above. Combine that with windwall (spell that greatly reduces the accuracy of missiles like arrows), immunity from normal missiles (will proof you against most characters using a non-magical bow/crossbow as a secondary weapon) and you'll be safe from all, but dedicated snipers and other spell users.

Evard's black tentacles (4 level spell) would incapacite all, but the strongest (as in, the strength stat) opponents (or those with a wicked good spell save as even a moderately high level wizard could conjure a lot of those buggers).

Combination of advanced invisibility and advance charm spells (3rd level suggestion being the mildest, but still very potent if you have a way with words) would allow you to steer many opponents toward a suicidal course without engaging in battle.

Enlarge/Reduce seems like a tame enough 1rst level spell, until you realize a mid-levels wizard can grab a 1-2 foot diameter stone, shrink it into a very tiny pebble, drop it into a rival's food and the moment they make a face as if they bit something funny, just release the spell and let nature take its course (just imagine a 1-2 foot stone returning to its natural shape in your mouth).

The spellbook was extremely rich and a fascinating read, but also extremely abusable, but the bulk of those abuses didn't make their way in crpgs.
Post edited January 25, 2022 by Magnitus