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I have a 10 year old motherboard and CPU.

I simply refuse:
a) play games such as Witcher 3 below 60fps (except Zelda on switch)
b) In no way I will support anti cunsumer practices by buying new tech, (exception was 1080ti because of witcher3).
c) be connected to the internet on my gaming computer
d) windows 10 is a spyware that includes windows 7 too; with latest updates.

My PC is mine all custom built modified and I like to look at it and marvel on it's performance without cryptominers, data thiefs stealing my work and performance.
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NovumZ: I'm hardly a troll. Look at my rep.

Can be played yes, on windows 10 for sure; not so much on windows 7 without internet access according to Mich himself since I need to be online to properly install/apply win7sp1 redist2015.

Mich said: "VC2015 has an offline installer, but VC2015 Update 3 has an online installer only, which uses the windows update service to grab the needed files. You can run it with the /layout argument to create an offline installer. Not sure how useful you'll find this information now, but it may help someone else in the future."
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ZFR: So even on Windows 7 as long as you have the redists you can *play* it offline as much as you want.

And even if we stretch the meaning of "play" to include "install" then if I understand JMich's post, you can get offline installers of the redists too.
Yes I can install but I can't play it. Error is |1-1-0.dll is missing from your computer.
I did have vcredist 2015 installed but in order to play abzu and other newer games I need to be directly plugged in to the internet to gather other necessary files from Microsoft. Sorta like steam; you buy a retail boxed game but then you need to download rest of the game from them.
Post edited March 17, 2018 by NovumZ
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NovumZ: in order to play abzu and other newer games I need to be directly plugged in to the internet to gather other necessary files from Microsoft. Sorta like steam; you buy a retail boxed game but then you need to download rest of the game from them.
Again, no. If you have all the dlls you can play it on Win 7 offline. This is mothing like Steam.
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NovumZ: in order to play abzu and other newer games I need to be directly plugged in to the internet to gather other necessary files from Microsoft. Sorta like steam; you buy a retail boxed game but then you need to download rest of the game from them.
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ZFR: Again, no. If you have all the dlls you can play it on Win 7 offline. This is mothing like Steam.
Again: Yes
I need my gaming PC connected to Microsoft in order to fetch all other kitchen recipies required to make a proper new dish!
Post edited March 18, 2018 by NovumZ
I even copied necessary api's to Abzû but then it gave me error: vcredist 2015 is missing from your computer lol.
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ZFR: Again, no. If you have all the dlls you can play it on Win 7 offline. This is mothing like Steam.
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NovumZ: Again: Yes
I need my gaming PC connected to Microsoft in order to fetch all other kitchen recipies required to make a proper new dish!
No. You need to connect only once to get them. After that you can play while offline.
And if you have them already you dont need to connect at all.

Im done here. This is going in circles and you just seem to refuse to accept facts about how dlls work.

ADD: instead of comparing to steam a better analogy would be games including older ones requiring a version of directx. If you didnt have it you had to download and install it. Or you could install it from an offline installer.
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NovumZ: Again: Yes
I need my gaming PC connected to Microsoft in order to fetch all other kitchen recipies required to make a proper new dish!
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ZFR: No. You need to connect only once to get them. After that you can play while offline.
And if you have them already you dont need to connect at all.

Im done here. This is going in circles and you just seem to refuse to accept facts about how dlls work.

ADD: instead of comparing to steam a better analogy would be games including older ones requiring a version of directx. If you didnt have it you had to download and install it. Or you could install it from an offline installer.
That is correct!
And no. I don't refuse to know how API's work. I just wish they've include them with all games and are compatible with older frameworks like they used to.

Hence my first post and others that you did not understand and downvoted them.

In my threads here I did say "Offline Gaming PC".
Post edited March 18, 2018 by NovumZ
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triple_l: My question to those that do care about offline gaming, if API installation are made online only, contrary to until now that they always had a standalone installer, what use has a classic GOG installer?
Because I consider generic API installations as part of the OS maintenance (and installation), not the game installation.

I didn't even know one can just install and use Windows 7 completely offline, never going online even once. I thought it will always require online validation at some point, and failing to do that, you'd be restricted to some gimped Windows installation. Ok maybe there is some other way to validate it, like calling Microsoft help line?
Post edited March 18, 2018 by timppu
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triple_l: My question to those that do care about offline gaming, if API installation are made online only, contrary to until now that they always had a standalone installer, what use has a classic GOG installer?
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timppu: Because I consider generic API installations as part of the OS maintenance (and installation), not the game installation.

I didn't even know one can just install and use Windows 7 completely offline, never going online even once. I thought it will always require online validation at some point, and failing to do that, you'd be restricted to some gimped Windows installation. Ok maybe there is some other way to validate it, like calling Microsoft help line?
Yes you call them

Cdpr/gog stop downrepping me. I've lost 9 rep within 24 hours that is Unacceptable.
Post edited March 24, 2018 by NovumZ
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timppu: Because I consider generic API installations as part of the OS maintenance (and installation), not the game installation.

I didn't even know one can just install and use Windows 7 completely offline, never going online even once. I thought it will always require online validation at some point, and failing to do that, you'd be restricted to some gimped Windows installation. Ok maybe there is some other way to validate it, like calling Microsoft help line?
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NovumZ: Yes you call them
What do you get then? Do you get a code that you can re-use each and every time you re-install your copy of Windows 7 (even on a completely different PC) without ever calling them again, or do you need to call them each time for a new code when you want to reinstall Windows 7?

If it is the latter, then I don't really see it as much of a benefit (DRM-free wise) compared to the OS automatically going online for the checkup. In both cases, you can't fully install and use your copy of Windows 7 after Microsoft stops offering such validation service, be it over internet, phone or pigeons. That's the most important question to me personally for DRM-free: what happens when the company offering the product ceases to exist?

Ps. I wonder if the game (Windows version) can be installed in WINE, and what happens there? Does it fail because of the missing API, or does it somehow go online to get the missing API, similarly like in Windows 7 (pre-SP1)?
Post edited March 18, 2018 by timppu
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ZFR: Im done here. This is going in circles and you just seem to refuse to accept facts about how dlls work.
Probably your intentions are good but your contribution didn't help NovumZ problem.
I personally disliked what you wrote cause I felt you tried to downplay the main issue.
It not about how DLLs work, its about the requirements needed to install those DLLs
Until now any DLLs in Windows could be installed offline and that is what we are trying to understand, can VC2015 Update 3 be installed offline?
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timppu: I didn't even know one can just install and use Windows 7 completely offline, never going online even once. I thought it will always require online validation at some point, and failing to do that, you'd be restricted to some gimped Windows installation. Ok maybe there is some other way to validate it, like calling Microsoft help line?
I have a dedicated gaming machine totally offline since day one, and so far all my GOG games have worked.
I know very well I'm 100% offline cause Microsoft lets me. Until when? that is a question I've been asking myself, but so far its been good, and that is why NovumZ message caught my attention.
In the case of Windows, "validate" doesn't mean online. Since the start Microsoft made several ways to "validate" including offline, and that still applies.

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timppu: If it is the latter, then I don't really see it as much of a benefit (DRM-free wise) compared to the OS automatically going online for the checkup. In both cases, you can't fully install and use your copy of Windows 7 after Microsoft stops offering such validation service, be it over internet, phone or pigeons. That's the most important question to me personally for DRM-free: what happens when the company offering the product ceases to exist?
Like I said before I use Windows cause Microsoft lets me.
I would prefer DRM-Free but since XP, Windows has Product Activation.
Now is there a GOG equivalent to Operating Systems? a DRM-Free OS? No (please I don't want to start a argument about Linux)
If I applied my No-DRM for games to Operating Systems I would never ever had accepted Windows XP or Windows 7, but then I probably would not have a computer.
I know its not perfect but its a choice I made based on very limited choices.
Having said that, I can tell you with most certainty that after 2023 I will stop using Windows online and its not cause of DRM, Windows 7 already has, its cause Windows 10 is totally unacceptable for other reasons.
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NovumZ: I even copied necessary api's to Abzû but then it gave me error: vcredist 2015 is missing from your computer lol.
So NovumZ, there is no other way? VC2015 Update 3 cannot be installed offline?
And knowing VC is so used in Games this means problems ahead.

Not that I don't trust you, but I want to see for myself, although ABZU is not my kind of games.

In the Xmas sale I bought a bunch of new games which I have not yet installed. I will do so and see if other new games have this issue, and I will come back to this thread again.
We should not let this issue die until we find a solution.
For me Offline PC Gaming is still not dead!... at least yet!
Post edited March 18, 2018 by triple_l
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Wishmaster777: I can confirm this. It did not work on my pc.
Hi Wishmaster777
Can you tell me if you had the same problem as NovumZ?
The message "|1-1-0.dll is missing error"
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Wishmaster777: I can confirm this. It did not work on my pc.
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triple_l: Hi Wishmaster777
Can you tell me if you had the same problem as NovumZ?
The message "|1-1-0.dll is missing error"
I did not get that message. Most of the time there was no message at all. I clicked the icon, the cursor displayed the loading icon, and happened.
The only error message I got was "Unreal engine has stopped working." It rarely popped up.
Post edited March 18, 2018 by Wishmaster777
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ZFR: Im done here. This is going in circles and you just seem to refuse to accept facts about how dlls work.
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triple_l: Probably your intentions are good but your contribution didn't help NovumZ problem.
I personally disliked what you wrote cause I felt you tried to downplay the main issue.
It not about how DLLs work, its about the requirements needed to install those DLLs
Until now any DLLs in Windows could be installed offline and that is what we are trying to understand, can VC2015 Update 3 be installed offline?
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timppu: I didn't even know one can just install and use Windows 7 completely offline, never going online even once. I thought it will always require online validation at some point, and failing to do that, you'd be restricted to some gimped Windows installation. Ok maybe there is some other way to validate it, like calling Microsoft help line?
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triple_l: I have a dedicated gaming machine totally offline since day one, and so far all my GOG games have worked.
I know very well I'm 100% offline cause Microsoft lets me. Until when? that is a question I've been asking myself, but so far its been good, and that is why NovumZ message caught my attention.
In the case of Windows, "validate" doesn't mean online. Since the start Microsoft made several ways to "validate" including offline, and that still applies.

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timppu: If it is the latter, then I don't really see it as much of a benefit (DRM-free wise) compared to the OS automatically going online for the checkup. In both cases, you can't fully install and use your copy of Windows 7 after Microsoft stops offering such validation service, be it over internet, phone or pigeons. That's the most important question to me personally for DRM-free: what happens when the company offering the product ceases to exist?
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triple_l: Like I said before I use Windows cause Microsoft lets me.
I would prefer DRM-Free but since XP, Windows has Product Activation.
Now is there a GOG equivalent to Operating Systems? a DRM-Free OS? No (please I don't want to start a argument about Linux)
If I applied my No-DRM for games to Operating Systems I would never ever had accepted Windows XP or Windows 7, but then I probably would not have a computer.
I know its not perfect but its a choice I made based on very limited choices.
Having said that, I can tell you with most certainty that after 2023 I will stop using Windows online and its not cause of DRM, Windows 7 already has, its cause Windows 10 is totally unacceptable for other reasons.
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NovumZ: I even copied necessary api's to Abzû but then it gave me error: vcredist 2015 is missing from your computer lol.
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triple_l: So NovumZ, there is no other way? VC2015 Update 3 cannot be installed offline?
And knowing VC is so used in Games this means problems ahead.

Not that I don't trust you, but I want to see for myself, although ABZU is not my kind of games.

In the Xmas sale I bought a bunch of new games which I have not yet installed. I will do so and see if other new games have this issue, and I will come back to this thread again.
We should not let this issue die until we find a solution.
For me Offline PC Gaming is still not dead!... at least yet!
Guys and Gals at gog support were good to me they linked me directly to windows 7 sp1. The problem is that once I've downloaded everything some packages installed couple didn't. I've tried to start the game again and it made no difference except my other games started being less responsive and ran slower. I can notice these things really well.

I've lost a lot of health because of lies from Microsoft.
My games ran super good until microsoft pulled another one with the api's.

-You need to be directly connected to their servers to finalize it's online only through windows update.
Post edited March 24, 2018 by NovumZ
Abzu offline installer had mendatory vc redist 2015 even! (Please undo this Change Kindly GOG.)
That caught my eye! -it used to come in a separate install window; that way you could stop another multiple redist 2015 from installing 20 times on top of another and would be hard to see other installed programs I monitor.
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triple_l: can VC2015 Update 3 be installed offline?
Two days later, but hope this will help.
Yes, you can install VC2015 offline (or at least you should, haven't needed to check it).
Download the installer, run it with the /layout argument and you should get a local copy you can install offline. Yes, that does mean you need a windows machine connected to the internet to create the offline installer.