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Posted July 11, 2021
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Swedrami: snip
Thanks for the workaround Swedrami but I pass :(
Posted July 11, 2021
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Maxvorstadt: Wow, good that I own those goodies already on GOG. Reading "Fox Children" right now with my Acrobat Reader. :-)
There`s a movie? Hm, have to look through the goodies now, I´m curious now.
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Swedrami: According to a quick research on the interwebs "Fox Children" never was available as part of the extras or via a reedemable code before? Only found mentions of "House of Glass" (and only the first chapter/volume at that), "Reasons of State" & "Killing Monsters"?
It was part of the Witcher Goodies Collection that GOG gave away some time ago. You can find it in the Thronebreaker: A Witcher Tale goodies pack. It was given away in march last year. Oh and I see that I have a code for that goodies pack, too. It`s from may this year. Don`t know if the code can be still redeemed, but it says that it`s not redeemed yet, so if one wants it... :-)
Posted July 11, 2021
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Maxvorstadt: It was part of the Witcher Goodies Collection that GOG gave away some time ago. You can find it in the Thronebreaker: A Witcher Tale goodies pack. It was given away in march last year. Oh and I see that I have a code for that goodies pack, too. It`s from may this year. Don`t know if the code can be still redeemed, but it says that it`s not redeemed yet, so if one wants it... :-)
I believe you automatically get gift codes if you get anything from a giveaway that you already have in your library (since it counts as an extra copy). Even one of the giveaways apparently also included TW1:EEDC since I already had my copy 2 years before even that during Gwent's beta run (which apparently is either still a thing you can obtain it or through promotional periods when you can get the game free when you have Gwent, not sure which is which).

One example of that was the Warhammer Skulls digital pack that was on giveaway recently. I didn't know it was possible to repeat obtaining giveaway items if you added them on the cart during the giveaway given how they had you obtain it. Theoretically, if there is no limitation, it would be an infinite number of codes accordingly for each copy you get (excepting the one you already have of course). Not that it is necessary, but it's how it apparently works on GOG.

I haven't given away my codes either, but it should be good until I pass it on to someone.

EDIT: Oh, now I can confirm Fox Children is definitely on the Thronebreaker pack. Killing Monsters is in the TW2 goodie pack and Reason of State is also on the TW2 goodie pack in PDF form, but there is also an app form for it in the TW3 pack. TWTW is the only odd one out even though there are other compendiums in the other packs. Go figure.
Post edited July 11, 2021 by TurdFerguson87
Posted July 11, 2021
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Maxvorstadt: Wow, good that I own those goodies already on GOG. Reading "Fox Children" right now with my Acrobat Reader. :-)
There`s a movie? Hm, have to look through the goodies now, I´m curious now.
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Swedrami: According to a quick research on the interwebs "Fox Children" never was available as part of the extras or via a reedemable code before? Only found mentions of "House of Glass" (and only the first chapter/volume at that), "Reasons of State" & "Killing Monsters"?

Same for the "The World of the Witcher" compendium. There's a compendium listed in the extras, but it's not that one.

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nightcraw1er.488: What you mean we don’t use a store for convenience? Isn’t the whole point about gog that they make things work on modern systems so you don’t have to? Cmon, even the OST ardent fanboy can see the point going one here? Like anything else, they are not free at all.
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Swedrami: Just don't see why, once in a while, you shouldn't get your hands dirty and look for the inconvenient solution to the problem yourself, was what I was trying to get at.
Verdammtes Englisch and its limitations for expressing oneself properly.
Yes, I understood you. But the same could be said for getting nocd patches, or getting games to run on modern machines. It’s possible to do yourself or pay gog to do it
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nightcraw1er.488: It was mentioned in the thread about the Witcher con, it’s not DRM so they are fine with it (like gwent, and cyberpunk extras and all the other stuff which isn’t drm, but is not consumer friendly).
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TurdFerguson87: Well, it's meant to be DRM'd just because of the setup and the fact you're not getting the PDFs like you would in some other places.

Given a "workaround" was given, I guess it's still possible to get one. But it would take work. Ultimately, you have to do this for every page of the comics (over 300 pages combined) and compile each image/page somehow into a PDF for each of the books.

But by then you'd have read the books before you even get to finish making them. Kind of spoils all of it just to take the added effort, y'know.
Yes, my point was, don’t use the term DRM. There are groups of zealots around who will argue the toss till the end of time that these things are not DRM and are perfectly acceptable, you can see this in most release threads now. Cyberpunk being a good example. There are always ways round anything, but one key reason to pay and use and official shop is you are supposed to get a better service and better product. Unfortunately gog is failing across the board on this and don’t seem to care at all.
Post edited July 11, 2021 by nightcraw1er.488
Posted July 11, 2021
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Swedrami: ... Rinse and repeat with the remaining pages and the "The World of the Witcher" compendium once you're done with the comic book, respectively
Good idea! I too use Firefox, will try it myself sometime later.

edit: Tried and it worked. You don't have to open a blank tab, just done the first two steps then drag the picture onto your destop or anywhere else you like on your computer, it'll be automatically saved.
Post edited July 12, 2021 by 自在猫
Posted July 11, 2021
Yeah, I agree, it is definitely frustrating that we didn't get DRM-free copies as we got with everything else related to the Witcher franchise but Dark Horse is legendary. The chances of being locked out of the book and comics are very slim, thus it doesn't really bother me too much. Of course, I wish we could have gotten the PDFs like the compendiums/comics/art books that came with the games but it's not a huge deal to me.
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Maxvorstadt: Wow, good that I own those goodies already on GOG. Reading "Fox Children" right now with my Acrobat Reader. :-)
There`s a movie? Hm, have to look through the goodies now, I´m curious now.
You even own The World of the Witcher like that? I have Fox Children from Thronebreaker but not the former. As for the movie, it's a live performance of songs from The Witcher 3, including Percival. It actually made Percival grow on me; I wasn't a fan of them at first (female vocals aren't usually my thing) but that performance was so good that it changed my mind haha
Post edited July 11, 2021 by JakobFel
Posted July 11, 2021
Skoro określacie święto wichercon mianem GLOBALNEGO święta to udostepniajcie treści jak Fox Children czy The world of the Witcher po polsku. Jak inni tutaj chcą w swoim ojczystym języku. Tak i po polsku byśmy chcieli. W pdf na dysku. Smutne to że jest inaczej.
Posted July 12, 2021
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nightcraw1er.488: Yes, my point was, don’t use the term DRM. There are groups of zealots around who will argue the toss till the end of time that these things are not DRM and are perfectly acceptable, you can see this in most release threads now. Cyberpunk being a good example. There are always ways round anything, but one key reason to pay and use and official shop is you are supposed to get a better service and better product. Unfortunately gog is failing across the board on this and don’t seem to care at all.
If a game had Denuvo, that would still be DRM regardless of whether people cracked it. No one here is arguing whether it is DRM or not but you.

However, since you appear to be arguing it is not DRM, then I suggest you look at the content delivery on the fact you can't really download the comics, let alone get PDFs and make copies. The fact there's a workaround is merely a reverse-engineering of the content, and even at that it might not be the best quality if they offered a version in PDF form (at least with the case of Fox Children, available from two giveaways, you may compare). The comics are normally accessed through an app or through the viewer on a web browser, and it is a cloud-based service, which means having to always go online. You don't have the luxury of the kind of portability to make copies anywhere and offline like you would as if it were a download through GOG itself.
Posted July 12, 2021
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JakobFel: Yeah, I agree, it is definitely frustrating that we didn't get DRM-free copies as we got with everything else related to the Witcher franchise but Dark Horse is legendary. The chances of being locked out of the book and comics are very slim, thus it doesn't really bother me too much. Of course, I wish we could have gotten the PDFs like the compendiums/comics/art books that came with the games but it's not a huge deal to me.
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Maxvorstadt: Wow, good that I own those goodies already on GOG. Reading "Fox Children" right now with my Acrobat Reader. :-)
There`s a movie? Hm, have to look through the goodies now, I´m curious now.
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JakobFel: You even own The World of the Witcher like that? I have Fox Children from Thronebreaker but not the former. As for the movie, it's a live performance of songs from The Witcher 3, including Percival. It actually made Percival grow on me; I wasn't a fan of them at first (female vocals aren't usually my thing) but that performance was so good that it changed my mind haha
Well, I have something that`s called "The Witcher Universe Compendium", not sure if that`s the same.
Posted July 12, 2021
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JakobFel: Yeah, I agree, it is definitely frustrating that we didn't get DRM-free copies as we got with everything else related to the Witcher franchise but Dark Horse is legendary. The chances of being locked out of the book and comics are very slim, thus it doesn't really bother me too much. Of course, I wish we could have gotten the PDFs like the compendiums/comics/art books that came with the games but it's not a huge deal to me.

You even own The World of the Witcher like that? I have Fox Children from Thronebreaker but not the former. As for the movie, it's a live performance of songs from The Witcher 3, including Percival. It actually made Percival grow on me; I wasn't a fan of them at first (female vocals aren't usually my thing) but that performance was so good that it changed my mind haha
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Maxvorstadt: Well, I have something that`s called "The Witcher Universe Compendium", not sure if that`s the same.
Yeah, I have that one too but it's basically an insanely stripped-back version that lacks color lol
Posted July 12, 2021
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nightcraw1er.488: Yes, my point was, don’t use the term DRM. There are groups of zealots around who will argue the toss till the end of time that these things are not DRM and are perfectly acceptable, you can see this in most release threads now. Cyberpunk being a good example. There are always ways round anything, but one key reason to pay and use and official shop is you are supposed to get a better service and better product. Unfortunately gog is failing across the board on this and don’t seem to care at all.
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TurdFerguson87: If a game had Denuvo, that would still be DRM regardless of whether people cracked it. No one here is arguing whether it is DRM or not but you.

However, since you appear to be arguing it is not DRM, then I suggest you look at the content delivery on the fact you can't really download the comics, let alone get PDFs and make copies. The fact there's a workaround is merely a reverse-engineering of the content, and even at that it might not be the best quality if they offered a version in PDF form (at least with the case of Fox Children, available from two giveaways, you may compare). The comics are normally accessed through an app or through the viewer on a web browser, and it is a cloud-based service, which means having to always go online. You don't have the luxury of the kind of portability to make copies anywhere and offline like you would as if it were a download through GOG itself.
No, you completely misunderstand me. I have been for years complaining about online only, gated content. But if you call it DRM then you will have gangs of zealots on your back telling you that it is not DRM, and gog is only purveying drm free, so it’s perfectly acceptable. I am totally against it, but that is the argument you will get. Have a look at the many posts on it, no mans sky for instance.
Posted July 12, 2021
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TurdFerguson87: If a game had Denuvo, that would still be DRM regardless of whether people cracked it. No one here is arguing whether it is DRM or not but you.

However, since you appear to be arguing it is not DRM, then I suggest you look at the content delivery on the fact you can't really download the comics, let alone get PDFs and make copies. The fact there's a workaround is merely a reverse-engineering of the content, and even at that it might not be the best quality if they offered a version in PDF form (at least with the case of Fox Children, available from two giveaways, you may compare). The comics are normally accessed through an app or through the viewer on a web browser, and it is a cloud-based service, which means having to always go online. You don't have the luxury of the kind of portability to make copies anywhere and offline like you would as if it were a download through GOG itself.
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nightcraw1er.488: No, you completely misunderstand me. I have been for years complaining about online only, gated content. But if you call it DRM then you will have gangs of zealots on your back telling you that it is not DRM, and gog is only purveying drm free, so it’s perfectly acceptable. I am totally against it, but that is the argument you will get. Have a look at the many posts on it, no mans sky for instance.
You're clearly referring to me, among others, as I firmly believe that it is not DRM. It may not be total freedom per-se, but it's definitely not DRM. DRM is rights management, not having a piece of software that you have to use to play a multiplayer feature in a game. As I've argued, it's pretty difficult to pull off multiplayer in a game without a client or some sort of infrastructure that supports said multiplayer. I'm certain you all remember the days when, if you wanted to play multiplayer matches in a game with someone, players had to host their own servers. The problem with that was that it created a similar issue to DRM: it took away freedom. Only some people had the knowledge and resources necessary to host their own servers on these games and thus cliques and power-grubbing morons would come to take charge of entire families of servers. This happened more often than people realize.

A solution to that problem was to create dedicated servers run by the game's publisher, so that the power and management of these servers is removed from the cliques and kept on a more level playing field. The problem there is that you have to have some sort of client that hooks into the servers for the sake of security, stability, etc. Are there ways to do other options? Absolutely, but they're neither easy nor efficient. As such, most games are now developed with clients in mind, making it an extra difficult task for the developers even if providing a client-free option was in the realm of possibility.

Also, just to briefly touch on the NMS thing: that's an issue on Hello Games' end, as far as I'm aware. They have crossplay, sure, but the multiplayer aspect of the game seems to be designed around the idea of client-based multiplayer. And honestly, I could almost understand the arguments against Gwent needing Galaxy before I could understand the arguments against NMS needing it, given the fact that NMS was designed as a single-player game first and foremost.

At the end of the day, I can understand the desire to have the ability to play multiplayer independent of game clients. Would it be awesome to have that option? Sure. Is it DRM? Nope. Is it a necessity? Not at all. Would it be nice if these devs (and GOG) would promise to provide client-free options if they decide to end support? Absolutely.
Posted July 12, 2021
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JakobFel: …
Nope, no one in particular, just the legions of GOG defenders.. Perhaps jump over onto the boycot thread next, someone said something bad about precious over there as well. But thanks for proving my point.
Post edited July 12, 2021 by nightcraw1er.488
Posted July 12, 2021
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JakobFel: …
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nightcraw1er.488: Nope, no one in particular, just the legions of GOG defenders.. Perhaps jump over onto the boycot thread next, someone said something bad about precious over there as well. But thanks for proving my point.
If you don't want to discuss things, so be it. I find it difficult to discuss things like this with you with when your forum title literally claims DRM-free is dead and when your posts are so consistently pushing for the end of things like Gwent and Galaxy, as if people who enjoy those two things are somehow less deserving of GOG's time than you are.
Posted July 13, 2021
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JakobFel: It may not be total freedom per-se, but it's definitely not DRM. DRM is rights management, not having a piece of software that you have to use to play a multiplayer feature in a game.
How is it not DRM if you actually would end up circumventing the very system you're required to use under normal circumstances that you don't? The reason for the stark difference in DH and the spirit of what GOG offers is that GOG allows you to directly download a PDF. DH doesn't offer this on their site.

What they basically have is "cloud"-based and it is a service which uses a system that compiles images to be the "media" seen through a viewer or app that otherwise isn't designed nor consolidated to a single download. By way of cracking, or rather - using the vulnerabilities to your advantage by exploiting it - you're reverse-engineering to retrieve the bits of the content, and at that not even the whole content (a PDF or Kindle file) because that doesn't exist. There's a whole extra step to be taken in order to get the equvialent, like Fox Children, that was on the other giveaway directly from GOG.

To add to that, the very reason DH uses such a system is that the main rule is you don't actually own any of it through their site. You only have a way to access it. That is it. To do it any other way is basically a circumvention of the media rights you were granted. Which, as you conveniently recognized, and one could argue the semantics, that it is obviously a "rights management" issue. Essentially this means it is a DRM'd system even as crude as it is, but it's also in the rules. To say otherwise is not really following the logic they're going for here.
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