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General discussionAbandon Steam and DRM Platforms for GoG ?(141 posts)(141 posts)
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Posted November 06, 2015
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Navagon: I don't understand why anyone would abandon their Steam collection without it somehow being impractical or you've somehow been fucked over by Steam to such a degree that using their client leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

Yes, GOG's better and more ethical (although perhaps not to the kind of degree it was when it started), but that's no reason to completely ditch one in favour of the other.
I did just that. Steam was SO very annoying and constantly ****ed with my system and activities and I just don't like the way they do things. I once went back to Steam just because they had better versions of Duke Nukem 3D and Shadow Warrior, as well as Quake II (with all the expansion stuff) but using Steam was still too annoying for me and when Gog got Quake II, as well as Quake, Doom 1 & 2 I felt I had no reason to use Steam anymore (again).
Posted November 06, 2015
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darthspudius: okay and anyone wanting to use their service would be complete morons to do that. If you don't agree, don't use it. If you want to use it, agree and shut up.
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HereForTheBeer: You're missing the point. Said customer agreed to the original EULA that was in force at the time the games were purchased. The new EULA comes around and is retroactively applied to those old purchases.

Edit: er, not directly applied to those old purchases, but to the client that is a requirement to play those old purchases.
I'm really not. It is just that simple. Others like to make a bigger deal out of it but it's not of my concern. If I want to use my account I just click the agree button. For me that is all that needs to be said. I have enough problems in life to care about such minute things. Though no doubt by the way some people talk, Valve is going to show up to my door and demand to attach my face to some ones butt. I agreed so I will! (South Park reference)
Posted November 06, 2015
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monkeydelarge: Yeah but downloading all your GOGs and putting them on an external hard drive or two or three is easy. And then you will have your GOGs for the rest of your life. Isn't that money well spent?
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Theoclymenus: You may put your GOGs on external hard drives and they are then "yours" " forever", insofar as any physical (CD/DVD) copy was ever "yours". But then a new OS and / or new hardware will come along and you will need (perhaps with GOG's help, but perhaps not) to get the copy of the gane you own to work again on the new hardware.
Unless there comes some other solution, like DOSBox can run the same DOS games I had installed already 23 years ago quite fine. And as someone suggested, you can have retro-machines in your house, like I have a couple of separate PCs which can run both Windows XP and Windows 98SE. It is about choices.

That argument is silly anyway. I have a PS2 console at home which still runs my PS2 (and PS1) game library quite fine. You are suggesting it is all useless because PS3 or PS4 can't necessarily run those games I have, so I could just as well throw my fully working PS2 console and all the games to trashbin? Why, they still work great? I don't even have a PS3 nor PS4, so why should I care if they can't run my games?

In case the PS2 breaks down and I can't find a replacement, I'll look more to those PS1 and PS2 emulators. At least the little I've tried some PS1 emulator on PC, it worked great.


Not being able to run your games due to defunct DRM is an extra hurdle, on top of the possible problems being able to run it on future hardware. Plus, if there are emulator or virtual machine solutions that solve the hardware compatibility problem (hello DOSBox, and WinUAE, and what have you!), at that point you probably need the DRM-free version anyway. The DRM-version will still refuse to work due to defunct DRM even if you have overcome the hardware compatibility problem.


Do you use a safety belt when you drive? Do you realize that it will not save you if you drive down from a cliff, or two high-speed trucks collide with you from different directions, or an asteroid hits your car? Conclusion: safety belts are useless?
Post edited November 06, 2015 by timppu
Posted November 06, 2015
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Navagon: I don't understand why anyone would abandon their Steam collection without it somehow being impractical or you've somehow been fucked over by Steam to such a degree that using their client leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

Yes, GOG's better and more ethical (although perhaps not to the kind of degree it was when it started), but that's no reason to completely ditch one in favour of the other.
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SkeleTony: I did just that. Steam was SO very annoying and constantly ****ed with my system and activities and I just don't like the way they do things. I once went back to Steam just because they had better versions of Duke Nukem 3D and Shadow Warrior, as well as Quake II (with all the expansion stuff) but using Steam was still too annoying for me and when Gog got Quake II, as well as Quake, Doom 1 & 2 I felt I had no reason to use Steam anymore (again).
I left steam for many reasons.
Having a collection of games that I technically do not own is one of them.

I am adult gamer... This website isn't a boys club it isn't a meme fest... it is the electronic version of best buy.
Yes long ago there was a time where we bought video games in these things called physical stores.

You do that now and you get a disc with steam drm.

Not only is the DRM annoying/insulting to customer the entire steam "community" is ran by volunteer moderators that are young enough to be my great grand children.

GOG just feels much more mature. Not some fanboy groupies of youtube personalities buying the newest non-completed game and ditching it after three days.

GOG forums are almost not needed, If I wanted to make friends on internet I would not be doing it at the electronic store.
Posted November 06, 2015
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SkeleTony: I did just that. Steam was SO very annoying and constantly ****ed with my system and activities and I just don't like the way they do things. I once went back to Steam just because they had better versions of Duke Nukem 3D and Shadow Warrior, as well as Quake II (with all the expansion stuff) but using Steam was still too annoying for me and when Gog got Quake II, as well as Quake, Doom 1 & 2 I felt I had no reason to use Steam anymore (again).
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Regals: I left steam for many reasons.
Having a collection of games that I technically do not own is one of them.

I am adult gamer... This website isn't a boys club it isn't a meme fest... it is the electronic version of best buy.
Yes long ago there was a time where we bought video games in these things called physical stores.

You do that now and you get a disc with steam drm.

Not only is the DRM annoying/insulting to customer the entire steam "community" is ran by volunteer moderators that are young enough to be my great grand children.

GOG just feels much more mature. Not some fanboy groupies of youtube personalities buying the newest non-completed game and ditching it after three days.

GOG forums are almost not needed, If I wanted to make friends on internet I would not be doing it at the electronic store.
Your points are all fair enough but when talking about the community, I wouldn't talk so soon. The amount of children on this place is growing every week.
Posted November 06, 2015
As for the OP, I agree with others wondering why abandon the games you have on Steam? Unless they are very bad games you don't wish to play, and/or are willing to buy them again on GOG (for those games that you can actually buy on GOG)?

I prefer buying my games on GOG.com, but that doesn't stop me from playing games on Steam if necessary (Team Fortress 2, the Batman games, Mirror's Edge, Dark Souls etc...).
Post edited November 06, 2015 by timppu
Posted November 06, 2015
It would be a bigger waste of your money to not play the games you already have on Steam.
There are also games, franchises and entire genres that are extremely unlikely to ever appear on GOG.

There's nothing wrong with re-buying a beloved game or series on GOG, there's a nice feeling that comes with owning or securing a "proper" copy of the games you really liked on Steam. I have done that myself with games I really enjoyed, like the UFO and Men of War series.

You might also be expecting far too much from GOG, a site focused on classic games and indie games. Realistically there will be more AAA games on GOG in the future but it will only be a drop in the ocean compared to what Steam could offer. Especially if you want to play the latest big titles like Fallout 4 or Anno 2205.

And like I said, there are entire franchises and genres on Steam that extremely unlikely to ever be released on GOG.
Posted November 06, 2015
What's Steam?
Posted November 06, 2015
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nightcraw1er.488: Fact 1 about life: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B6JAJVAGC9M
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anothername: Oh that is one of these rare LOL moments. :D
That is very funny. Has Miss Merkel not paid up her Youtube subscription?

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darthspudius: ...snip
Valve is going to show up to my door and demand to attach my face to some ones butt
Actually you have to go to their offices and queue up for such an honor.

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R8V9F5A2: ...snip
And like I said, there are entire franchises and genres on Steam that extremely unlikely to ever be released on GOG.
And how many of those said franchises are worth playing, COD, nope for instance. Me personally I buy from other stores, ShinyLoot in the past before that went all steam key only, DotEmu, actual publishers pages. The fact that I don't want to install client software on my machine, and in some cases have to maintain an internet connection to play anything means that I avoid Steam, Uplay etc. If more people took that line and didn't bow to will of the overlords just to play "new shooty with big shiny bang bang stick" games, they wouldn't be able to get away with it in the first place. its chicken and egg scenario, which came first, desperate gamers or corperate control freaks? (its got nothing to do with piracy by the way).

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Klumpen0815: What's Steam?
Its what you get coming off a turd.
Posted November 06, 2015
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timppu: Unless there comes some other solution, like DOSBox can run the same DOS games I had installed already 23 years ago quite fine. And as someone suggested, you can have retro-machines in your house, like I have a couple of separate PCs which can run both Windows XP and Windows 98SE. It is about choices.

That argument is silly anyway. I have a PS2 console at home which still runs my PS2 (and PS1) game library quite fine. You are suggesting it is all useless because PS3 or PS4 can't necessarily run those games I have, so I could just as well throw my fully working PS2 console and all the games to trashbin? Why, they still work great? I don't even have a PS3 nor PS4, so why should I care if they can't run my games?

In case the PS2 breaks down and I can't find a replacement, I'll look more to those PS1 and PS2 emulators. At least the little I've tried some PS1 emulator on PC, it worked great.

Not being able to run your games due to defunct DRM is an extra hurdle, on top of the possible problems being able to run it on future hardware. Plus, if there are emulator or virtual machine solutions that solve the hardware compatibility problem (hello DOSBox, and WinUAE, and what have you!), at that point you probably need the DRM-free version anyway. The DRM-version will still refuse to work due to defunct DRM even if you have overcome the hardware compatibility problem.

Do you use a safety belt when you drive? Do you realize that it will not save you if you drive down from a cliff, or two high-speed trucks collide with you from different directions, or an asteroid hits your car? Conclusion: safety belts are useless?
I was going to actually explain the problems with Theoclymenus' argument but you've done it quite nicely for me, so...QFT.

In a nutshell: games with local copy protection or no copy protection/DRM at all will always work on the hardware they were designed for. Games with online DRM won't.

The ability to run games on future hardware is an incidental bonus.
Post edited November 06, 2015 by jamyskis
Posted November 06, 2015
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anothername: Oh that is one of these rare LOL moments. :D
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nightcraw1er.488: That is very funny. Has Miss Merkel not paid up her Youtube subscription?
Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it could contain music from SME, for which we could not agree on conditions of use with GEMA.
Posted November 06, 2015
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jamyskis: In a nutshell: games with local copy protection or no copy protection/DRM at all will always work on the hardware they were designed for. Games with online DRM won't.

The ability to run games on future hardware is an incidental bonus.
Damn it. Do you understand how long it took my to write my reply, with multiple edits? Then you squeeze it to mere few lines.
Posted November 06, 2015
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darthspudius: Your points are all fair enough but when talking about the community, I wouldn't talk so soon. The amount of children on this place is growing every week.
Yeah... and some of them are our children...
Posted November 06, 2015

Unfortunately, this video is not available in your country because it could contain music from SME, for which we could not agree on conditions of use with GEMA.
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Klumpen0815:
So if they catch up with then you would get a SLAP (solicitors letter after prosecution), and have a court notice insert into your ASS (audited security status). Gotta love the age of acronyms.
Posted November 06, 2015
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R8V9F5A2: It would be a bigger waste of your money to not play the games you already have on Steam.
nah, it's called quit your losses. Close the door and never look back.
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