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Anyone have experience using Legendary?
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rjbuffchix: Sorry about your lost saves, OP. Obviously this is indefensible behavior of the client and the company.

On a practical level, I recommend treating this client like Scheme or any other that allows download of "DRM-free" games once they're through the client installation. That is, grab your game and get out. Don't hang on for the updated version; I know it can be tempting because bugs are fixed or content is added, but with these clients it seems even more likely to me that the "improvement" in the update can also include DRM.
Or extra spyware like Garrys Mod did not so long ago or anti cheat that wants drivers and who knows what else and will not start he game even for single player unless you have them.

Even the EGS client will break for silly reasons and not let you start games that need it. For example it use the GPU for some reason and blocked people if they didn't have modern drivers.
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ReynardFox: EVERY GAME I HAD INSTALLED THROUGH EGS WAS DELETED, ALONG WITH ALL SAVE DATA.
I wonder if a small claims for damages plus labour for your lost games is possible.
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ReynardFox: I just lost the countless hours of progress in Batman: Arkham City I had put in.
Doesn't Epic have cloud sync for the savegames? Seems like a basic and expectable quality-of-life feature for every client, nowadays. Assuming they do have it for B:AC, and that it was active, your saves may be... well, safe. Remember to re-download and run the game to check if they're there, just in case.

It doesn't fix the main issue at hand which is the unprompted deletions, but at least something could be recovered.
Not defending Epic really, but if I installed a game from a client and then uninstalled the client I would probably assume those games would be uninstalled with it. The saved games though, that's weird.
Never use launchers is the lesson here.
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StingingVelvet: Not defending Epic really, but if I installed a game from a client and then uninstalled the client I would probably assume those games would be uninstalled with it. The saved games though, that's weird.
Not really sure, but I guess that if your game folder is different to the client one the game should not be unninstalled, at least those which are de-facto playable without the epic client. But well, not sure, maybe it is designed in that way. Bad way.
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StingingVelvet: Not defending Epic really, but if I installed a game from a client and then uninstalled the client I would probably assume those games would be uninstalled with it. The saved games though, that's weird.
I would think the game files would still exist but could not be opened...

... but...

... in my case (and I think OP) EGS no longer has a record of my account! I let it go since I only downloaded a handful of free games, but still annoying.
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I'm not believing the OP's assertion unless I first see independent verification of it being true.

Probably what actually happened is that the games are still on his HDD or SSD, and the EGS client just fails to see them.

GOG Galaxy has the exact the same problem if you uninstall and reinstall it...the reinstallation of Galaxy won't show your GOG games that are installed by default. But the difference is, Galaxy has an option whereby you can manually tell it where your games are installed, and then, after doing that, they will be recognized again.

With EGS, it doesn't have that feature to tell it where the games EGS are installed, but nevertheless, that does not automatically mean they were deleted.

Here is an article about this:

https://www.epicgames.com/help/en-US/epic-games-store-c73/launcher-support-c82/can-the-epic-games-launcher-detect-previously-installed-games-a3820

I've personally used that process before with EGS and it works. No need to reinstall games, because they were not actually deleted at the time when EGS was uninstalled.

So in other words, most likely the original post is spreading incorrect misinformation.
Post edited March 29, 2021 by Ancient-Red-Dragon
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Gudadantza: Not really sure, but I guess that if your game folder is different to the client one the game should not be unninstalled, at least those which are de-facto playable without the epic client. But well, not sure, maybe it is designed in that way. Bad way.
I think Origin installs them to a separate folder iirc, but every other client installs them within the client's directory. That's why I'd assume those files would vanish on uninstall. However it actively finding saved games in other folders like My Documents or AppData, that is weird.
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Gudadantza: Not really sure, but I guess that if your game folder is different to the client one the game should not be unninstalled, at least those which are de-facto playable without the epic client. But well, not sure, maybe it is designed in that way. Bad way.
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StingingVelvet: I think Origin installs them to a separate folder iirc, but every other client installs them within the client's directory. That's why I'd assume those files would vanish on uninstall. However it actively finding saved games in other folders like My Documents or AppData, that is weird.
Except Steam and Epic, the rest of the clients let you choose the games installation route. That's one of the first things I use to do.
As it is said in the post above, probably there is some kind of misundertanding because it is not very reasonable that the unninstal of a client vanishes the games themselves even if they were installed in the default route. All of this clients use to have a tool for scan previouslly installed games. That tool would have no sense if the games could be deleted in such an unfair and weird way. But I have not tried those things myself for a long time so I can not be categorical, anyway it would be a great surprise for me.

I think I am with Ancient-Red-Dragon here.

Greetings
Post edited March 30, 2021 by Gudadantza
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ReynardFox: But who would expect uninstalling a client would cause it to go scorched earth on your installed content? Imagine if Steam did that. I knew Epic had become a garbage company, but this is just going above and beyond.
Steam does the same:

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9609-OBMP-2526

Interestingly, Steam also not only does a Scorched Earth on it's installed content, it also then salts the Earth by deleting it's install folder without asking you (along with any other files you've put in there - most uninstallers ask before deleting files that weren't part of the install package).

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Mister.Wolf: Doesn't Epic have cloud sync for the savegames? Seems like a basic and expectable quality-of-life feature for every client, nowadays. Assuming they do have it for B:AC, and that it was active, your saves may be... well, safe. Remember to re-download and run the game to check if they're there, just in case.
I can confirm Epic has cloud sync for savegames. It's enabled by default.
Post edited March 30, 2021 by pds41
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Gudadantza: All of this clients use to have a tool for scan previouslly installed games. That tool would have no sense if the games could be deleted in such an unfair and weird way.
I always assumed it was so you could copy and paste the files as a backup, but you might be right. I've honestly never uninstalled Steam with games still installed. I was just saying my assumption would be it would do that, so I wouldn't find it shocking like I do the saved games.
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Ancient-Red-Dragon: I'm not believing the OP's assertion unless I first see independent verification of it being true.

Probably what actually happened is that the games are still on his HDD or SSD, and the EGS client just fails to see them.

So in other words, most likely the original post is spreading incorrect misinformation.
Huh? I'm not about to just crap out information without trying to validate it first. I immediately checked my data the moment I didn't see any games in the client, my first thought was 'oh it's just lost track of the install locations'. But no, I had Arkham Knight on my SSD and Arkham City/Asylum on my main HDD.

Games are gone. Confirmed.

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Gudadantza: As it is said in the post above, probably there is some kind of misundertanding because it is not very reasonable that the unninstal of a client vanishes the games themselves even if they were installed in the default route.
Epic actually does let you set an install directory per game, As I said to ARD above, I had the three Batman games installed in different locations, with Knight on SSD using epic's default location choice, and the other two on a secondary 4TB HDD, there is no confusion, they were all entirely removed along with EGS. What I mean is, I back up the game, and whenever an update happens, I test it without the client active to make sure no dodgy changes have happened before replacing said backup.
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Breja: It's this kind of nonsense that allowed DRM to take over gaming in the first place. "Yea, it sucks, but what can I do? I have to play this game! I'm forced to use it! It's not my fault! We live in a society!"
I'd agree with this statement if the Arkham series wasn't DRM free on EGS, that was soley the reason I went for them. I would never have even considered them otherways, nor would I ever have bought Ghostbusters on there if it hadn't been confirmed DRM free.

GOG has become a frustrating platform to support and I am not the only one who was seriously starting to think they would never get the Batman games at all. But you're right that it's not actually GOG's fault, I'll admit my wording was hyperbole based on emotion from losing my save data, all I could think of at the time was 'if this was a GOG release, my data would still be intact'.

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pds41: Steam does the same:

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9609-OBMP-2526

Interestingly, Steam also not only does a Scorched Earth on it's installed content, it also then salts the Earth by deleting it's install folder without asking you (along with any other files you've put in there - most uninstallers ask before deleting files that weren't part of the install package).
...and people are ok with this?

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Mister.Wolf: Doesn't Epic have cloud sync for the savegames?
It does, but as I never want to let myself become reliant on internet features I disabled it. Yes I can see the irony in that.
Post edited March 30, 2021 by ReynardFox
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pds41: Steam does the same:

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=9609-OBMP-2526

Interestingly, Steam also not only does a Scorched Earth on it's installed content, it also then salts the Earth by deleting it's install folder without asking you (along with any other files you've put in there - most uninstallers ask before deleting files that weren't part of the install package).
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ReynardFox: ...and people are ok with this?
It's Steam, so I suspect if you questioned it, 99% of the Internet would tell you that it's perfectly fine and exactly what you would expect, before then calling Epic a garbage company for doing the exact same thing.

Best practice would be to have a prompt saying "Would you also like to delete all your installed games - Yes/No".
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ReynardFox: ...and people are ok with this?
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pds41: It's Steam, so I suspect if you questioned it, 99% of the Internet would tell you that it's perfectly fine and exactly what you would expect, before then calling Epic a garbage company for doing the exact same thing.

Best practice would be to have a prompt saying "Would you also like to delete all your installed games - Yes/No".
I'm quite baffled how 'delete this yes/no' isn't an industry standard option at all. Even if it just left your data on the hdd, thats still a really sloppy way to handle uninstalling.
Post edited March 30, 2021 by ReynardFox