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Posted June 07, 2018
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USERNAME:kohlrak#Q&_^Q&Q#GROUP:4#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:44#Q&_^Q&Q#And people were telling me as a child that it's OK to be a self-taught coder, because there's a shortage of qualified individuals.#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:44#Q&_^Q&Q#
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Everyone whines and complains about millennials not working, then millennials complain about pay. The reality is, credentialism is at fault. You have to go into debt for thousands of dollars for the rest of your life and into your retirement just so you don't have to shack up with someone to live alone?

Everyone who tackles the problem comes to the conclusion that either minimum wage must be increased (which doesn't solve the problem, as prices increase with it) or to start a business, which can get ugly, too. Software related startups are the only ones remotely viable, because it costs nothing to get started. That said, how long until you're replaced when people find that there's cheaper labor outside of the US?

And the "free uni" idea doesn't solve the problem, either, since you're just redirecting the cost to somenone else (via taxes), who usually ends up being the people who are struggling. Then, they want experience with that degree.
Posted June 07, 2018
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kohlrak: That said, how long until you're replaced when people find that there's cheaper labor outside of the US?
Ne-ver! Most companies (unless they need to lose a ton of money for tax purposes or are suffering from horrible internal political struggles) do not want anything to do with outsourcing. It's been available for decades and sometimes some companies try it but it never ends well for them so they discontinue the practice.

It takes several days for a US software developer (especially a senior) to find a job. People leave their companies because they don't like the brand of coffee in the kitchen. I'm not that petty and I do rather love my team and boss, but I still have to clean my mailbox from recruiters' email on regular basis.

Any of these companies can easily go an hire an outsourcer in another country but ... yea.

P.S. — We'll be replaced by AI one day for sure, but not by outsourcers.
Post edited June 07, 2018 by Alaric.us
Posted June 07, 2018
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USERNAME:kohlrak#Q&_^Q&Q#GROUP:4#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:46#Q&_^Q&Q#That said, how long until you're replaced when people find that there's cheaper labor outside of the US?#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:46#Q&_^Q&Q#
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I keep hearing about these magic desperate recruiters, but i never see them. I remember one time someone went out of their way to try to prove to me that it was easy for someone like me with my skills to get a job anywhere, since everyone's so desperate for me, yet his "advice" was that the way to do it is to email the lead dev. I proceeded to do so, only to find out his email wasn't actually listed. The person got frustrated with me and said that i wasn't trying hard enough. I also got the impression this guy was one of these recruiters, too, who had trouble finding talent in their own area. I chalked it up to employers being clueless due to levels of separation from the employees they're trying to find, like in every other market.
Posted June 07, 2018
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kohlrak: I keep hearing about these magic desperate recruiters, but i never see them. I remember one time someone went out of their way to try to prove to me that it was easy for someone like me with my skills to get a job anywhere, since everyone's so desperate for me, yet his "advice" was that the way to do it is to email the lead dev. I proceeded to do so, only to find out his email wasn't actually listed. The person got frustrated with me and said that i wasn't trying hard enough. I also got the impression this guy was one of these recruiters, too, who had trouble finding talent in their own area. I chalked it up to employers being clueless due to levels of separation from the employees they're trying to find, like in every other market.
I am sorry you had these problems. My own experiences, and those of my friends, are vastly different.
Posted June 07, 2018
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USERNAME:kohlrak#Q&_^Q&Q#GROUP:4#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:48#Q&_^Q&Q#I keep hearing about these magic desperate recruiters, but i never see them. I remember one time someone went out of their way to try to prove to me that it was easy for someone like me with my skills to get a job anywhere, since everyone's so desperate for me, yet his "advice" was that the way to do it is to email the lead dev. I proceeded to do so, only to find out his email wasn't actually listed. The person got frustrated with me and said that i wasn't trying hard enough. I also got the impression this guy was one of these recruiters, too, who had trouble finding talent in their own area. I chalked it up to employers being clueless due to levels of separation from the employees they're trying to find, like in every other market.#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:48#Q&_^Q&Q#
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Which is cool. Now i'd like to know why. is it an "experience" element (i have not "professional" experience)? Is it certification? Is it locale? Is it looking in the wrong place? Is it target (your preference for webdev)? I'm curious why you and your friends are different.
Posted June 07, 2018
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kohlrak: Which is cool. Now i'd like to know why. is it an "experience" element (i have not "professional" experience)? Is it certification? Is it locale? Is it looking in the wrong place? Is it target (your preference for webdev)? I'm curious why you and your friends are different.
Let's take this into a private chat. I'm sure the rest of the people in this thread don't want to see us discussing this for hours on end.
Posted June 07, 2018
I get those all the time from "Microsoft" and "Telstra" they always have thick Egyptian/Indian accents

They tell me "There is something wrong with my computer"

They then tell me "Go to your computer and 'Open in up'"

They say "Hop on it"

One time I yelled at them "Who the Fuck do you think you're playing!"

I then Yell "You're a scammer!"

They always say " eeegh... Who told you that"

Then they hang up in my ear

I never get those phone calls ever since.
Posted June 07, 2018
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fr33kSh0w2012: I get those all the time from "Microsoft" and "Telstra" they always have thick Egyptian/Indian accents

They tell me "There is something wrong with my computer"

They then tell me "Go to your computer and 'Open in up'"

They say "Hop on it"

One time I yelled at them "Who the Fuck do you think you're playing!"

I then Yell "You're a scammer!"

They always say " eeegh... Who told you that"

Then they hang up in my ear

I never get those phone calls ever since.
Another favorite of mine, for when i'm not trying to go back to sleep, is to watch TV or play a game or something with them on the line. Bonus points the longer you can keep them on the line.
Posted June 07, 2018
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A current employee gripe is that one gets stuck training their replacement. The new gripe will be that one is programming their replacement?

Ouch.
Posted June 07, 2018
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HereForTheBeer: A current employee gripe is that one gets stuck training their replacement. The new gripe will be that one is programming their replacement?

Ouch.
The idea of programming a computer capable of programming equally or more complex tasks than you can handle is strange, possibly even impossible. You can't understand anything more complex than yourself, which is a conundrum. Honestly, i think we'll see the AI focus more on the boring tasks like HTML and boiler-plate tasks.
Posted June 07, 2018
I got a strange call...

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Posted June 07, 2018
Next time try this:

*scammy phone caller*
C: "Good morning Mr. XY, do you have a moment to talk about..."

Me: "One moment. This is not Mr. XY. This is inspector Mertens, homicide department. You are calling at a crime-scene. Please stay on the phone, we will need to take your personal details."

C: "What?"

Me: "What kind of relationship did you have with the deceased?"

C: "What? I had no relationship with him. I don't know anything!"

Me: "If you didn't have any relationship with Mr. XY, business or other, then why did you call?"

C: "I ... uhm, I just wanted to..."

Me: "Ah, you're an illegal scam caller. Is that it? Please don't hang up and let us speak to your superior. We are tracing your call right now."

C: *hangs up in panic*
Posted June 07, 2018
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tinyE: I got a strange call...

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A male call or a mail call?
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