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Posted April 26, 2016
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anothername: I'm pretty sure as an adult it is against the law to exclude me from buying these games; they are not Manhunter magnitude banned. Its just that they are safer with the "think of all the children!" route.
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Pherim: That's the proplem with these kind of "banned" games - it is NOT illegal to buy or own them (if you are 18 or older, of course), but depending on whether they are just "indiziert" (Put on the index) or "beschlagnahmt" (confiscated) it can be illegal to SELL them. Both Commandos (English version!) and Wolfenstein 3D are confiscated, so they cannot be sold within Germany. The other games are just put on the index, that means it is not allowed to advertise and openly sell them. Of course, when these laws were made, digital stores like GOG were not around, so now they rather completely block these titles. I don't know if it were possible to create a system that would allow Germans of legal age to buy them.

Anyway, it is very unlikely that buying these games one way or another could end "badly".
I didn't say buying the games would end badly. I said openly discussing ways to subvert GOG's method of abiding by German law could end badly, as in posts deleted and countermeasures taken to defeat said subversions.
Posted April 26, 2016
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paladin181: You realize openly discussing ways to defeat GOG's mechanism for abiding the laws of Germany could end badly, right?
For whom? Purchasing and owning these games is perfectly legal in Germany. Selling them to Germans is not (at least for GERMAN online shops, legal opinion is all over the place when it comes to foreign shops) but preventing Germans from buying them online by means of IP blocks is considered enough, so GOG's off the hook, too.

And at the end of the day, VPN will always work, so what's the point of working against some cookie tinkering to make these games visible?
Post edited April 26, 2016 by Randalator
Posted April 26, 2016
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Randalator: And at the end of the day, VPN will always work, so what's the point of working against some cookie tinkering to make these games visible?
I was just about to suggest that. If it fools Netflix, it sure can fool GOG.
Posted April 26, 2016
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Pherim: Well, pornography is a different matter - as pornographic material is automatically put on the index in Germany, it is not allowed to publicly advertise it and sell it openly.
Strange, some of the best European porn comes from Germany? In the nineties Maximum Perversum and associated labels, more recent John Thompson's labels. How can it be they have such proliferate and high-quality output if they're illegal?
Posted April 26, 2016
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DubConqueror: How can it be they have such proliferate and high-quality output if they're illegal?
The index does not mean something is illegal. It means you cannot advertise it, and you cannot have it on display at a store. An adult can come in the store, ask for the product, show proof of age, and get the item he asked for. A minor shouldn't be aware that they sell said object there, though if they do and ask for it, they should be denied access to it.
Posted April 26, 2016
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DubConqueror: How can it be they have such proliferate and high-quality output if they're illegal?
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JMich: The index does not mean something is illegal. It means you cannot advertise it, and you cannot have it on display at a store. An adult can come in the store, ask for the product, show proof of age, and get the item he asked for. A minor shouldn't be aware that they sell said object there, though if they do and ask for it, they should be denied access to it.
Does that mean there's no sexshops in germany? It would be hard to have a sexshop when it's forbidden to put your wares onto the displays and shelves.
Posted April 26, 2016
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DubConqueror: Does that mean there's no sexshops in germany?
I think they get around that by having an anteroom, where the age check is done, then access to the rest of the shop is provided. Haven't been to a German sex shop though, so can't really say what is and isn't provided there though.
Posted April 26, 2016
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JMich: The index does not mean something is illegal. It means you cannot advertise it, and you cannot have it on display at a store. An adult can come in the store, ask for the product, show proof of age, and get the item he asked for. A minor shouldn't be aware that they sell said object there, though if they do and ask for it, they should be denied access to it.
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DubConqueror: Does that mean there's no sexshops in germany? It would be hard to have a sexshop when it's forbidden to put your wares onto the displays and shelves.
They have black toned glass.
You only see the wares after you´ve entered the shop.
There are no anterooms as far as I know.
Post edited April 26, 2016 by NuffCatnip
Posted April 26, 2016
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DubConqueror: Does that mean there's no sexshops in germany? It would be hard to have a sexshop when it's forbidden to put your wares onto the displays and shelves.
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NuffCatnip: They have black toned glass.
You only see the wares after you´ve entered the shop.
There are no anterooms as far as I know.
Thanks for the insight (GOG doesn't have an 'Insightful' button).
Post edited April 26, 2016 by DubConqueror
Posted April 26, 2016
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NuffCatnip: They have black toned glass.
You only see the wares after you´ve entered the shop.
There are no anterooms as far as I know.
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DubConqueror: Thanks for the insight (GOG doesn't have an 'Insightful' button).
You´re welcome.
Posted April 26, 2016
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DubConqueror: Strange, some of the best European porn comes from Germany?
I only watch the Japanese stuff. Did I say I? I meant my very good friend watches the Japanese stuff, only.
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NuffCatnip: They have black toned glass.
You only see the wares after you´ve entered the shop.
There are no anterooms as far as I know.
There are. You just have to know the passwoid.
"Ken sent me."
Post edited April 26, 2016 by sunshinecorp
Posted April 26, 2016
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DubConqueror: Strange, some of the best European porn comes from Germany?
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sunshinecorp: I only watch the Japanese stuff. Did I say I? I meant my very good friend watches the Japanese stuff, only.
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NuffCatnip: They have black toned glass.
You only see the wares after you´ve entered the shop.
There are no anterooms as far as I know.
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sunshinecorp: There are. You just have to know the passwoid.
"Ken sent me."
You mean the password to get the quality goods?
Posted April 26, 2016
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NuffCatnip: You mean the password to get the quality goods?
The password to the back room.
*wink wink nudge nudge say no more say no more*
Posted April 26, 2016
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Pherim: Well, pornography is a different matter - as pornographic material is automatically put on the index in Germany, it is not allowed to publicly advertise it and sell it openly.
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DubConqueror: Strange, some of the best European porn comes from Germany? In the nineties Maximum Perversum and associated labels, more recent John Thompson's labels. How can it be they have such proliferate and high-quality output if they're illegal?
Not to mention Theresa Orlowski and Beate Uhse! :D
Posted April 26, 2016
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NuffCatnip: You mean the password to get the quality goods?
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sunshinecorp: The password to the back room.
*wink wink nudge nudge say no more say no more*
The safeword is"Banana", don´t you forget.
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