Posted April 07, 2016

Dessimu
Irish ☕ good
Registered: Aug 2014
From Denmark

timppu
Favorite race: Formula__One
Registered: Jun 2011
From Finland
Posted April 07, 2016
First of all, there is the argument that prostitutes are always victims who are being oppressed, that's why they shouldn't be punished. (Not that I personally believe that, albeit that may many times be the case too, at least in many parts of the world.). Especially the feminists like this approach because then they can punish the filthy men.
However I think the more important reason is that to my recollection some EU body or whatever has earlier made the decision that prostitution is a legal profession, hence you can't arrest prostitutes for selling sex (unless they are breaking some other law at the same time). So going after their customers instead is kind of a workaround to that.
Sure, selling sex is legal then... but buying it is not. How convenient, making it impossible to practice a profession without actually making it illegal.
However I think the more important reason is that to my recollection some EU body or whatever has earlier made the decision that prostitution is a legal profession, hence you can't arrest prostitutes for selling sex (unless they are breaking some other law at the same time). So going after their customers instead is kind of a workaround to that.
Sure, selling sex is legal then... but buying it is not. How convenient, making it impossible to practice a profession without actually making it illegal.
Post edited April 07, 2016 by timppu

Emob78
jack and coke plz
Registered: Dec 2012
From United States
Posted April 07, 2016
Just take all that shit, the terrorism, the prostitutes, the outdoor cafes, all that and send it to Vegas. Las Vegas can and often does fix all of those problems.
Because in the end, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Why? Because it never wants to leave.
There, I just did Nevada tourism for absolutely no reason.
Because in the end, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. Why? Because it never wants to leave.
There, I just did Nevada tourism for absolutely no reason.

timppu
Favorite race: Formula__One
Registered: Jun 2011
From Finland
Posted April 07, 2016

I think most feminists here consider themselves more to the left than right. Then again, the feminists themselves seem a bit divided by this question, as many of them at least here feel it should be up to the individual (woman) to decide whether she wants to sell sex or not, ie. taking that possibility out is taking control from women over their own lives. After all, why is prostitution illegal in islamic countries? Because they care for women's rights? :)
Feminist movement seems a bit divided on its stance to sex overall, ie. there are the more liberal feminists (who also say prostitution is ok as long as it is fully woman's own decision), and then the new moralists who'd want to abolish prostitution, porn movies... heck one notable feminist here (who recently moved to Sweden, figures) has even said that having sex with men is a "gender betrayal", ie. women should have sex only with women. :D
Note that "advocating" prostitution being legal is not the same thing as advocating e.g. brothels, or pimping. I guess I am also in this group:selling and buying of sex services should be legal, but at the same time:
- no brothels
- being a pimp should still be considered illegal, ie. prostitution should remain as "private enterprise" where no third party is actively taking a cut from you (this rules out the brothels too)
- prostitution in itself shouldn't necessarily be considered something that should be endorsed by the state, and services should be offered for prostitutes to also leave their profession, if they so wish.
So, a bit similar approach as to e.g. alcohol: it is not illegal, but not really endorsed either, and restrictions are applied over it. Plus there are services for alcoholics.
Post edited April 07, 2016 by timppu

Fonzer
Uncle robo cat
Registered: Apr 2015
From Slovenia
Posted April 07, 2016

However I think the more important reason is that to my recollection some EU body or whatever has earlier made the decision that prostitution is a legal profession, hence you can't arrest prostitutes for selling sex (unless they are breaking some other law at the same time). So going after their customers instead is kind of a workaround to that.
Sure, selling sex is legal then... but buying it is not. How convenient, making it impossible to practice a profession without actually making it illegal.

timppu
Favorite race: Formula__One
Registered: Jun 2011
From Finland
Posted April 07, 2016
Maybe so, but if you are a feminist suffering from misandry, a legislation which kicks only men (who are mainly the customers) to the balls is just perfect.
Also as I said, it might even be against some EU regulations to make selling of sex services illegal in itself, as it is considered as a valid profession. So, making _buying_ of sex services illegal instead is a workaround. Quite devious.
I kinda agree with your principle though: if some act (like buying of sex services) is considered illegal, then trying to lure people to commit such criminal acts should be illegal as well.
Also as I said, it might even be against some EU regulations to make selling of sex services illegal in itself, as it is considered as a valid profession. So, making _buying_ of sex services illegal instead is a workaround. Quite devious.
I kinda agree with your principle though: if some act (like buying of sex services) is considered illegal, then trying to lure people to commit such criminal acts should be illegal as well.

timppu
Favorite race: Formula__One
Registered: Jun 2011
From Finland

bela555
Nope...
Registered: Sep 2013
From Sri Lanka

KiNgBrAdLeY7
Слава России! ура́
Registered: Apr 2012
From Other

a4plz
Mafia dropout
Registered: Jan 2016
From Australia
Posted April 07, 2016

A lot of the hardship that prostitutes have to put up with is caused by society having zero sympathy for them, because despite the surge of sex positivity in the last few decades, it seems to be limited to the idea that "devoted couples can do anything they want together", and sex workers are not included in that bubble of tolerance. People are still very keen to place family values on a pedestal, as we can see from the attitudes that you mentioned:
"Would YOU marry a prostitute?"
Post edited April 07, 2016 by a4plz

timppu
Favorite race: Formula__One
Registered: Jun 2011
From Finland
Posted April 07, 2016

In her interviews, according to the (Finnish) prostitutes themselves, they saw as one of the biggest problem the social stigma, ie. how the rest of the society sees them. Not the fear of violence from customers, or fear of STDs, or what it causes to their own mental well-being, or anything else that is commonly claimed to be the dangers of prostitution by the anti-people.
Even the people who claim to care about the well-being of prostitutes (e.g. certain feminists) are considered as a problem, as they like to condescendingly present prostitutes in general as some kind of weak-minded losers who are lost and don't know what they are doing. Ie. if some prostitute suggests it is her own choice and she knows what she is doing, she can't be trusted any more than a drug addict about his drug habit. After all, since she is a prostitute, she must be somehow mentally ill.

muttly13
I must break you
Registered: Aug 2011
From United States
Posted April 07, 2016

- George Carlin

catpower1980
Hello World
Registered: May 2009
From Canada
Posted April 07, 2016


Shoot me if I talk too much about politics and do not encourage me.
So my idea for the quote here is that I believe they chose to ban paid sex for either of three reasons:
1. Because there is an illegal money flow from which politicians can't get a cut "for tax purposes"
2. To look more appealing for citizens and get a bigger mass of supporters by doing least work possible
3. To get a better kick out of forbidden paid sex themselves. Some politicians still do hire "escorts", rights?
Outside of the initial subject, it just shows how a small fraction of activists (be it from left/right/whatever) can get their way in a malfunctioning democracy when there is not a minimum of voters required.

Dessimu
Irish ☕ good
Registered: Aug 2014
From Denmark
Posted April 07, 2016
Are you kidding me? O_P No, actually, are they kidding me? Foreign prostitute for illegal act gets 400€?! I am surprised only because local citizens in Lithuania, who are working legal full time jobs, get a minimum salary of 350€ per month (on paper, with taxes not yet applied). Bollocks... Bollocks everywhere!

KiNgBrAdLeY7
Слава России! ура́
Registered: Apr 2012
From Other
Posted April 07, 2016

Of course this is no Bollocks, it is a plan! It is scandalous, a real INVASION! Brace yourselves, we haven't seen anything yet! This is only the beginning! Pay up for foreign trash, they are more valuable than the locals... :@ Locals can go die, starve, freeze to death, eat police brutality, while those apeish thugs roam free, police escorts them and the army cooks and cleans for them, instead of sending them where they should be, like ALL our logical neighbors do! THIS. IS. THE. PLAN.
Enjoy your culture, Europe and multiculturalism. Work hard, so trashfugees can be paid higher salaries than yours, for breaking things and mass producing babies.
Post edited April 07, 2016 by KiNgBrAdLeY7