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Posted December 13, 2020
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I don't know how many of you are in the same position as I am but I have given up on CP2077 until it has been significantly patched. In the games current state - for me at least - the game simply isn't enjoyable and in some cases unplayable with the issues I have experienced. I am seriously considering asking for a refund, I pre-ordered the game back at the E3 conference as I had a lot of confidence in CDPR with their history of being transparent and fair to the customer.
What I also find concerning is the behaviour of CDPR, rather than being honest and delaying the game again they have seemingly used really shady tactics to try and hide a lot of the issues with this game, especially with the consoles. The game wasn't ready and CDPR knew this. So rather than be honest about it and accept the flak they decided to play the card that EA and Ubisoft typically do and choose to mislead the customer by releasing an unfinished game.
The lack of acknowledgement and proper apology for this situation is also really poor form from CDPR. I am really disappointed with them especially given the examples they have set in the past.

I sincerely hope this isn't a change in the mindset of CDPR - I do believe they will sort the game out but I am afraid that I will never pre-order a game from CDPR again.

What a damn shame...
Posted December 13, 2020
Definitely. They also used Cyberpunk 2077 to headline DRM on GOG.
Posted December 13, 2020
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i do belief there is more to the table then what is generally known.....

who knows what other, maybe shady agreements where made ' forcing ' CDPR's hand

Its like government civil construction, with goverment issued projects regular braking both time and cost ( by the trillions i might add ) and the only uniter seems to be the cost .. you know what is truly going on

The public is just what it is, a money cow waiting to be milked
Posted December 13, 2020
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Radiance1979: i do belief there is more to the table then what is generally known.....

who knows what other, maybe shady agreements where made ' forcing ' CDPR's hand

Its like government civil construction, with goverment issued projects regular braking both time and cost ( by the trillions i might add ) and the only uniter seems to be the cost .. you know what is truly going on

The public is just what it is, a money cow waiting to be milked
Lol
Posted December 13, 2020
My guess is that they released it due to Corona/Xmas constellation. Meaning they expected to make more money by releasing it now in a (supposedly - I dont have it) buggy state than they would have made waiting a few more months.

Edit: Forgot - their fiscal year ends dec-31 or so!
Post edited December 13, 2020 by Zrevnur
Posted December 13, 2020
A part from a few glitches here and there (like being thrown 150m after a nice meeting with a wall in high-speed?), I really don't understand why some have trouble running it on their computer, other than, based on my experience in support, in many cases the problem is with the computer itself.

Just so you know, most people are actually running this game just fine. It's easier to complain than give positive feedback, but it's a shame you can't get it to run...
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Radiance1979: The public is just what it is, a money cow waiting to be milked
Isn't it always like that... could it be that we want to be milked?
Post edited December 13, 2020 by sanscript
Posted December 13, 2020
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Radiance1979: The public is just what it is, a money cow waiting to be milked
Well, my bovine self is ready to be milked, but I'll kick anyone who tries it with anything other than a DRM-free suction cup :).
Post edited December 13, 2020 by WinterSnowfall
Posted December 14, 2020
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Retroman88: I don't know how many of you are in the same position as I am but I have given up on CP2077 until it has been significantly patched. In the games current state - for me at least - the game simply isn't enjoyable and in some cases unplayable with the issues I have experienced. I am seriously considering asking for a refund, I pre-ordered the game back at the E3 conference as I had a lot of confidence in CDPR with their history of being transparent and fair to the customer.
What I also find concerning is the behaviour of CDPR, rather than being honest and delaying the game again they have seemingly used really shady tactics to try and hide a lot of the issues with this game, especially with the consoles. The game wasn't ready and CDPR knew this. So rather than be honest about it and accept the flak they decided to play the card that EA and Ubisoft typically do and choose to mislead the customer by releasing an unfinished game.
The lack of acknowledgement and proper apology for this situation is also really poor form from CDPR. I am really disappointed with them especially given the examples they have set in the past.

I sincerely hope this isn't a change in the mindset of CDPR - I do believe they will sort the game out but I am afraid that I will never pre-order a game from CDPR again.

What a damn shame...
Probably be called out or smth, but i refuned my pre order without playing it - didn't have time due to work but couldn't avoid reading a few reviews. Played buggy games before, but was sold on the worldbuilding, player choices.
Loved W2 for the different acts (still a bit hurt over lack of upgrade option for my W3 pre-order to GOTY ver.), enjoyed DA:O for different origins - doesn't seem like CP is ready yet.
Posted December 14, 2020
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sanscript: A part from a few glitches here and there...
A few glitches... Really... There are hundreds of videos documenting an absurd amount of bugs. From T-posing NPCs, disappearing crowds, changing cars and people when you turn around, broken traffic AI, teleporting police, broken car chases, wrong NPS voices and models, weird stretching palm trees, PREFAB MISSING, brain-dead combat AI, barrel-rolling motorcycles...

Either you are one of the luckiest people playing it and have monster hardware that can run it flawlessly... or you are lying.

CDPR scammed their buyers, so they could cash-in on COVID-19 Christmas season. They have cut a lot of promised content and released an incredibly buggy game... and why? Greed. Nothing more, nothing less.
Post edited December 14, 2020 by Nalkoden
Posted December 14, 2020
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Nalkoden: A few glitches... Really... There are hundreds of videos documenting an absurd amount of bugs. From T-posing NPCs, disappearing crowds, changing cars and people when you turn around, broken traffic AI, teleporting police, broken car chases, wrong NPS voices and models, weird stretching palm trees, PREFAB MISSING, brain-dead combat AI, barrel-rolling motorcycles...
Right, of course I'm lying because it runs petty well on my relatively normal computer. And I must be paid by CDPR also, right?

I run the game on an old RX480 and the game do run just fine. But I think you're confusing how the game runs with these missing/broken features. None of those mentioned are necessary game breaking (now, immersive breaking I can understand). The game is by no means bug or glitch free, never said it either, but no "monster hardware" can fix these things. Not even a "NASA computer". Have no idea where you get that from, because only CDPR can do something about them. The game engine don't just magically rewrites itself on the fly with a faster computer. O_o

Fallout 3 and Skyrim f.ex is actually more unstable in that regards, still, and this game is 3 only days old.

If you think CDPR are greedy and just scammed people then by all means, do that. I'm going to give them a chance before I mentally burn them on a stake. ;)

The creators of NMS did manage to correct most if not all of the problems the game was plagued with when it released, so...
Post edited December 14, 2020 by sanscript
Posted December 14, 2020
The Witcher 3 had some pretty bad bugs out the gate as well. I'm willnig to give them the time to fix it.
Posted December 14, 2020
I don't want to fling insults at CDPR and insult them, especially since most of the time in AAA development, 90% of devs are actually really passionate about making the games (to the point of sacrificing their health) while the business suits do a shit job managing the project and set unrealistic release schedules to meet some business deadlines.

So let's be really clear and say... Game looks like a lot of work was put into it, 100% props to everyone involved, I have no doubt that most of you wouldn't have released the game this way.
But to the business suits... Is this how you treat your customers? Don't try and sell unfinished products for full price and think it's alright to have customers wait for patches. In any other industry, this would be a scandal, but in the computer game business it's just another launch.

Then again, it's ultimately the mainstream customers' fault since they once again sprang the Release Day trap, even though barely any AAA game in recent history launched without problems. So really, can you blame even the suits? If my job was maximizing profits... Well, at this point it's clear that a high marketing budget excuses the release of a unfinished product.
Post edited December 14, 2020 by SomeGuy8504
Posted December 14, 2020
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sanscript: A part from a few glitches here and there...
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Nalkoden: A few glitches... Really... There are hundreds of videos documenting an absurd amount of bugs. From T-posing NPCs, disappearing crowds, changing cars and people when you turn around, broken traffic AI, teleporting police, broken car chases, wrong NPS voices and models, weird stretching palm trees, PREFAB MISSING, brain-dead combat AI, barrel-rolling motorcycles...

Either you are one of the luckiest people playing it and have monster hardware that can run it flawlessly... or you are lying.

CDPR scammed their buyers, so they could cash-in on COVID-19 Christmas season. They have cut a lot of promised content and released an incredibly buggy game... and why? Greed. Nothing more, nothing less.
Well everyone cries when they push back the release date. Then cry when it's not perfect. No one got scammed. YOU were the one who couldn't wait for the release and reviews to come out first. If anything blame yourself there bud
Posted December 14, 2020
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ramsey84c: Well everyone cries when they push back the release date. Then cry when it's not perfect. No one got scammed. YOU were the one who couldn't wait for the release and reviews to come out first. If anything blame yourself there bud
Makes perfect sense, if i sell you snake oil claiming to cure your condition, its your fault for buying it, im an honest citizen that just happened to get your cash and give you nothing in return, its all your fault and you should blame yourself bud.
Thats the world we are living in.
Post edited December 14, 2020 by kaboro
Posted December 14, 2020
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paladin181: The Witcher 3 had some pretty bad bugs out the gate as well. I'm willnig to give them the time to fix it.
I completely agree with this. I mean, I pretty much every open world RPG has been a buggy mess on release - just look at Bethesda's track record. I'm not sure why anyone thought this would be different (especially in the light of a global pandemic meaning loads of people are working remotely).

At the end of the day, there's only so much testing you can do internally - it's a toss up between spending loads of money on testing (and only picking up one or two more bugs) or getting it out in the wild and having hundreds of thousands of instances running and understanding what really isn't working properly.

Then again, perhaps I'm just more relaxed on things like this because I never buy/play anything on day 1. However, I should thank everyone who does, as these people are really funding the game developers and doing the testing!
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