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zeogold: snip
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RWarehall: Why don't you read your own posts? Like I said, you seem to be clueless how insulting you are...

"frequently obsess"
"you lose a lot of your rep from just being you"
"spiteful, vitriol-filled rants"
Yes, you obsess over rep a lot since you consider it a huge issue. I'd argue the latter apply considering that this is about the third or so time I can remember when you've called me a "troll" and "an example of what's wrong with this forum" for disagreeing with you and suggesting you shouldn't communicate so angrily all the time. Saying you're angry and talk about rep a lot is a bit different from being told you have "half a brain" or being called a "fool", "moron", "dolt", and "troll".
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RWarehall: Maybe you can tell me what these "wonderful changes" are going to be because they talked to 6 users under an NDA and how GoG is going to change forever...
Honestly? I doubt there'll be any anytime soon. Again, I was never defending GOG.
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RWarehall: It clearly isn't a priority to stop some script kiddie abusing their forum API...
Dude, they never even stopped Alaric when he made that "Soon..." thread replicator. I don't even think they gave into his demands when he said he'd give everybody tools to wreck the forum with if they didn't make the fixes he sent them within 6 months. They've been promising to fix rep for, what...4 years?
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RWarehall: Here's the thing...

What changes? Why does everybody think "great things" are coming? GoG has told us NOTHING. But people somehow think that since 6 people flew to Poland to repeat all the things we've been asking for for years, that something is going to happen now?
Err, there is hardly anyone here actually discussing this event, it is remarkably empty for something so unprecedented.
Those that are here, are a echo chamber of the small amount that post everywhere else.
The other half being those involved....so no, not everyone thinks a great change is a coming.
As many haven't said boo to a goose.
Sadly lacking more input from the community as a whole, but really what is there to say.
6 people had a nice trip, whoopee shit, gog may or may not act on that, it's gog, slower than a three legged dog.
We sit and wait like fucking fruit cakes waiting to be topped.

With you on rep, but it doesn't appear to even be on gog's radar.
Seems we are all stuck with it.
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RWarehall: Step 1: Eliminate rep and downvoting.
New forum should fix that, when it arrives. No use (in my opinion) spending resources in something you will scrap.

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RWarehall: Step 2: And the bigger issue...LISTEN AND COMMUNICATE!
Also in the works. Not something specifically mentioned during the visit (at least from what I recall), but on emails later on.
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RWarehall: Step 1: Eliminate rep and downvoting.
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JMich: New forum should fix that, when it arrives. No use (in my opinion) spending resources in something you will scrap.
Speaking of "scrapping the old forum":
Will all the old posts be destroyed just like what happened to the PMs?
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Klumpen0815: Will all the old posts be destroyed just like what happened to the PMs?
Hopefully not. We did say that there is a trove of knowledge in quite a few of the older threads and that they should be preserved, which may complicate the migration a bit.
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Klumpen0815: Will all the old posts be destroyed just like what happened to the PMs?
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JMich: Hopefully not. We did say that there is a trove of knowledge in quite a few of the older threads and that they should be preserved, which may complicate the migration a bit.
By your knowledge of „things that happened on GOG earlier“, do you think that there will be a new blank forum in let‘s say the year 2030? ;)

@RWarehall: Reading your last posts here, I can understand why you lost reps. Zeogold was just stating the hard facts for what GOG does and why. Even so I don‘t like that, I can follow his explanations and in the last 1-2 years, I have come to a solution for me to deal with GOG (and that is not a positive way for GOG).
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john_hatcher: By your knowledge of „things that happened on GOG earlier“, do you think that there will be a new blank forum in let‘s say the year 2030? ;)
No. This forum will have been replaced by then, but whatever forum is in use will not be blank.
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john_hatcher: By your knowledge of „things that happened on GOG earlier“, do you think that there will be a new blank forum in let‘s say the year 2030? ;)
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JMich: No. This forum will have been replaced by then, but whatever forum is in use will not be blank.
As far as I‘m concerned wheneverthis change happens, posts will be lost. That‘s just what I wanted to say.
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john_hatcher: That‘s just what I wanted to say.
Best to say that then instead of skirting around it.
But no, I don't think posts will be lost during the transition, though that may make the transition a bit more complicated.
Honestly, if they DID nuke all the posts in this forum, at this point, I wouldn't even be mad. I'd just...accept it. I'd be too worn down to be mad anymore. At least it'd mean they finally made a change for once.

Can't wait until they build us a new forum from the ground up! I have complete confidence in the team responsible for this, who will definitely not leave after a few years with a new team coming in who will have no clue how to use it and not have been told how to perform basic functions like blocking people.
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zeogold: Can't wait until they build us a new forum from the ground up! I have complete confidence in the team responsible for this, who will definitely not leave after a few years with a new team coming in who will have no clue how to use it and not have been told how to perform basic functions like blocking people.
Oh, I wish I could be this optimistic about changes that GOG is planing.

@JMich: Will be more clear in my wording.
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zeogold: Honestly, if they DID nuke all the posts in this forum, at this point, I wouldn't even be mad. I'd just...accept it. I'd be too worn down to be mad anymore. At least it'd mean they finally made a change for once.

Can't wait until they build us a new forum from the ground up! I have complete confidence in the team responsible for this, who will definitely not leave after a few years with a new team coming in who will have no clue how to use it and not have been told how to perform basic functions like blocking people.
Yes, a new forum would be fine whenever it comes. For now I myself am just hoping for them to fix the hyperlink mess (including the broken German special characters I told them about weeks ago) and add the possibility to set classic installers as the default option.

I am a bit sad that they still did not fix the former yet since it's definitely a bug that wasn't there before so it should not be that hard to fix (and if this mess is necessary to use the GOG anti spam system then I'd rather prefer the spammers).

The classic installer default setting is something I already am able to use because of the amazing work of adaliabooks however I would love to see it here officially as soon as possible so that at least some people would stop worrying about GOG going completely Galaxy only. I know it would mean a lot to several people and that is why I am interested in it as well.

I know that there are many that don't believe in GOG anymore (and it's hard to blame them for it) but when GOG lately announced that they have to remove several games they announced it on time and also were honest about the fact why they had to do so. So I can see improvement here ... maybe it is just because I want to but maybe it is actual improvement. I also saw improvement in the fact that elcook obviously was following the thread and answering questions in it so they want to communicate. It is not a big step but these things should not be overlooked just because of things that happened in the past imo. Think about how this would have been on steam i.e. They would just have removed the games without any announcement at all and even if there would have been an announcement they wouldn't have answered any questions. I don't even know if they HAVE mods doing such things.
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RWarehall: So this is the GoG who are supposedly "listening". If they really were, they
Now down almost a full 1000 rep, I can tell you. GoG doesn't care at all!

All of you can keep holding your breath for changes until you suffocate.
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zeogold: I'll be honest with you here, I suspect that what you were told was just stuff to keep you quiet about the rep, and despite it being fairly underhanded, I'm not surprised it was done. You frequently obsess over this imaginary number and all of us have told you time and time again literally none of us judge you by it, but instead by your posts. And there's a pretty simple workaround for the link thing since that, like everything else in this place, is broken at best. The only possible counter-argument that could be mustered would be "But new people will judge by it!", which is true, but realistically, how often does that happen? When was the last time we even GOT a new poster who didn't just show up to ask a singular question before leaving (and we'd be lucky if they even respond to the answer)? Not to mention that there's bound to be a slight disconnect/something clicking in their brains if they see a supposedly "bad" user post something polite and informative.
I could even go into the fact that, on top of whatever scamming has happened to you and I sympathize with, you lose a lot of your rep from just being you. Half your posts in this place are spiteful, vitriol-filled rants that make it hard to agree with you even if you're right about whatever you're talking about. I've seen you take multiple "low rated" posts and point to them as examples of how you were done wrong without taking into account the fact that the posts were paragraph after paragraph of expletives and rage. I don't doubt you're on some kind of script as well, but you should take this into account.
Fables' entire job is pretty much PR, so it wouldn't exactly be in line for her to come out and openly say "we don't give a crap about rep" or "there's been multiple complaints about you associated with these downvotes".

Putting all that aside...
What was discussed (or at least, what I HOPE was discussed) were things regarding the STORE and how THAT could improve. It's not a big secret that GOG barely cares about the forum (if at all), and why should they? Seriously, ask yourself how much business they'd lose if this place shut down overnight without warning. 5% of the userbase at BEST would even notice, about 3% would actually care. It would be morally correct for them to invest time and energy into listening to the people who built them up, sure, but in terms of business, they could drop us all like a hot potato and hear nothing but praise for the rest of the company's existence as "the lovely people who let us play GWENT" or something similar. Idealistically, I hope they'd prove me wrong about this, but in reality? Yeah, right.
I didn't used to be this pessimistic on the subject, but looking at what's gone on for as long as I've been here, I honestly believe that the only way they could truly fix the forum at this point would be to wipe out the whole thing and start from scratch, which isn't even remotely important to them. What GOG invited the Magnificent Six for was more for their own purposes, i.e. gathering information from their most notable users who are actually intelligent and offer constructive criticism (rather than, y'know, "Where Is My Steam Key" Customer #814). At least, that's the best I can figure, otherwise they would've turned this into some big PR thing (after all, it'd be fantastic for PR and showing how much they "care about their userbase" - but they chose not to take advantage of it).
So you're fine with a person clad in official GOG clothing who literally gives the middle finger to a customer complaint due to their own forum software being exploitable - even if only concerns something as little as forum rep?

The Glorious 6 are just that: big PR.
I don't have the details how they were selected: frequently active poster that defend GOG against any valid criticism or just the luck of the draw or due to some calculations based on their forum registration date.

The OP just reeks of PR and offered "help" in writing it.

2) DRM-Free: I doubt you can convince me that this paragraph wasn't written by GOG's PR department. "DRM-Free is here to stay" sound like a PR slogan. "Even if the industry moves towards online..." doesn't really sound like something a random person who just got invited to visit GOG HQ would say. Too sophisticated.

4) Galaxy Installers: the negativity it caused is acknowleded, but immediately excused with "no malice" and "naïveté". 6 random people are putting out such a sophisticated combined effort in terms of language while at the same time being apologetic for GOG? You can't be that blind to not see those flags.

6)+7) Apparently GOG knows that the current forum software sucks - but I'm getting told by our Glorious 6 that a proper one would take such a long time that it can't be specified. And knowing that the software sucks GOG wanted feedback on how to improve moderation. Doesn't that sound irrational? You know the software is junk but instead of making it your highest priority you rather tweak moderation.

Too lazy to dissect more using this junk forum software.

Though I'm really curious about 3 things:
1. are the Glorious 6 under a NDA or a similar gag order
2. how much of the OP was written by the Glorious 6 - and how much was "provided" by GOG.
3. If there is no NDA in place: how come out of those 6 there is no one with a sharp tongue like mine and capable of critical thinking and logical reasoning.
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MarkoH01: I know that there are many that don't believe in GOG anymore (and it's hard to blame them for it) but when GOG lately announced that they have to remove several games they announced it on time and also were honest about the fact why they had to do so. So I can see improvement here ... maybe it is just because I want to but maybe it is actual improvement. I also saw improvement in the fact that elcook obviously was following the thread and answering questions in it so they want to communicate. It is not a big step but these things should not be overlooked just because of things that happened in the past imo. Think about how this would have been on steam i.e. They would just have removed the games without any announcement at all and even if there would have been an announcement they wouldn't have answered any questions. I don't even know if they HAVE mods doing such things.
I hate to sound like the raincloud here, but, as much as I'm appreciative that we did get notified, I'd be a bit happier if they'd done it via, y'know, an actual front-page news announcement rather than another forum thread. There's truly only a handful of us who read the forum on a regular basis. If you weren't lucky enough to have noticed it in the few days it was active, then tough luck for you. I wouldn't have even known about it myself if not for being told about it by the Discord group. There isn't even any kind of notification on the game pages themselves that they're going anywhere, which would've at least partly made up for it. The only thing I can say is a notable improvement here is that elcook was following the thread and actively responding, which is great. Other than that? I'm not really instilled with much more hope.
Heck, look at the thread we're on. They only gave you guys...what a week or so's worth of notice? A week to just drop everything and fly on over to a different country? Shouldn't things like this be common sense?
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p1881: Though I'm really curious about 3 things:
1. are the Glorious 6 under a NDA or a similar gag order
2. how much of the OP was written by the Glorious 6 - and how much was "provided" by GOG.
3. If there is no NDA in place: how come out of those 6 there is no one with a sharp tongue like mine and capable of critical thinking and logical reasoning.
You've obviously not read the thread at all then.

Yes, they all signed NDAs, they had to as they were privy to all sorts of confidential GOG info.

As for the language used being too 'sophisticated' etc. do you even know JMich or any of the others involved? I certainly wasn't at all surprised by the language, JMich is and always has been quite knowledgeable about a whole range of industry related stuff. And none of the others are exactly inarticulate morons..

I'm not even sure what you mean by this, if you read the thread you would see there was a lot of sharp questions and honest opinions about GOG exchanged when they went. Not a lot of it can be discussed openly due to the NDAs but I trust those involved and if they say it was said then I believe them.