Posted October 07, 2017
Nicole28
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zeogold
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Posted October 07, 2017
There's something I'm a bit confused about:
Why was regional pricing even discussed? Isn't that a bit of an old and dead point by now?
Why was regional pricing even discussed? Isn't that a bit of an old and dead point by now?
PaterAlf
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Posted October 07, 2017
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Yes, but still a very important point and for many users the beginning of the "downfall" of GOG, because it was the first of their principles that they threw away.
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Posted October 07, 2017
zeogold: There's something I'm a bit confused about:
Why was regional pricing even discussed? Isn't that a bit of an old and dead point by now?
PaterAlf: Yes, but still a very important point and for many users the beginning of the "downfall" of GOG, because it was the first of their principles that they threw away. Why was regional pricing even discussed? Isn't that a bit of an old and dead point by now?
Breja
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Leroux
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Posted October 07, 2017
john_hatcher: Someone in the german forum (or it was here) asked the BPjM or jugendschutz.net and they said what I said above. Polen is not Germany and the worst that could happen is that a CEO (or whoever is "the boss") they could (not WILL!) get arrested when they travel to Germany but a) there must have been an incident and b) to my knowledge this never happened to anyone anywhere.
Well, maybe it's just me, but if that is the worst that can happen, frankly, if I was that CEO, I wouldn't want to risk the off-chance of being the first guy this happened to on his vacation. ;) I don't like this anymore than you do, but I don't expect someone to take all the risk for his personal life and business and play Robin Hood for me, just so I can get my games uncensored. I'd rather resort to piracy myself in that case.
Post edited October 07, 2017 by Leroux
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Posted October 07, 2017
john_hatcher: Regarding censorship and Germany:
Someone in the german forum (or it was here) asked the BPjM or jugendschutz.net and they said what I said above. Polen is not Germany and the worst that could happen is that a CEO (or whoever is "the boss") they could (not WILL!) get arrested when they travel to Germany but a) there must have been an incident and b) to my knowledge this never happened to anyone anywhere. Can you tell me why I can buy Wolfenstein 3D (just the first game that came to my mind) from amazon.fr, even so there is a german Amazon company??? Why don't they get problems? Because there are no laws broken.
Not sure if this is the case but please don't forget that GOG also has legal contracts with all of their publishers and it might be that they want GOG to play it safe so they won't get in any trouble. Of course that is just an assumption. I will see if I can find out anything more about the issue that I can tell you. Like said before I can just reassure you that they are actively trying to make the situation better and I was told a few details about the "how" I unfortunately are not allowed to disclose. This is not over for me as well since I hate censorship with a pasion. Someone in the german forum (or it was here) asked the BPjM or jugendschutz.net and they said what I said above. Polen is not Germany and the worst that could happen is that a CEO (or whoever is "the boss") they could (not WILL!) get arrested when they travel to Germany but a) there must have been an incident and b) to my knowledge this never happened to anyone anywhere. Can you tell me why I can buy Wolfenstein 3D (just the first game that came to my mind) from amazon.fr, even so there is a german Amazon company??? Why don't they get problems? Because there are no laws broken.
john_hatcher: This is where I don't believe in GOG anymore. Changes over the last 2-3 years where only negative (form my point of view). Many might see this different, but for me the regional rippoff and ceonsorship is not worth a game or two more. PRINCIPLES! That is what is important to me.
I am here with you as well regarding the "principles" part. How can I believe somebody who is dropping one principle after another? However there are (like usually) two sides of the medal. If you stick to all of your principles but in the end are losing what was the base of those principles (meaning the busness itself) what use are these principles then? GOG never wanted to drop any of those principles and they assured us several times that DRM-free will never fall. If you think a bit about it a bit more the second principle "no regional pricing" is also still kind of intact since at least they are offering store credit for the difference (which is much more Steam ever did). I still don't like it but it seems as if there's no real way around it when it comes to newer games if you take into consideration that every publisher could go Steam only instead to have regional prices assured. According to GOG most classic games still don't have regional prices. The last principle according to the front page is "Money back guarantee" and I never had any difficulties with that. john_hatcher: Regarding "DRM free is only for singleplayer":
If this is the case why did they forget to mention it? Where can I read it today on the GOG page that DRM free is only singleplayer related? Maybe I'm missing something, besides the fact that in "good old times" say never mentioned this.
This imo depends on the definition of DRM (and this was discussed as well when we were there) which seems to be a bit different for everyone. In case you are saying that DRM-free is meaning not to be online at all real MP is out of the question. As long as the game however has a working SP mode it still can be played offline therefore I would consider it still DRM-free (It's still the same game there are just a few features that requires me to be online but I don't have to use them to enjoy the game the same). Is it possible for you to give me DRM-free MP examples? What do you consider being "DRM-free" exactly? If this is the case why did they forget to mention it? Where can I read it today on the GOG page that DRM free is only singleplayer related? Maybe I'm missing something, besides the fact that in "good old times" say never mentioned this.
john_hatcher: Regarding Gwent and single player mode:
Maybe this is the same promise as made here ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRdfYwvGTos and we all know how this ended. Until this supposedly single player campaign is here, I can't play GWENT because of DRM. Simple as that for me.
I have no counter argument for this at this moment. Maybe this is the same promise as made here ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRdfYwvGTos and we all know how this ended. Until this supposedly single player campaign is here, I can't play GWENT because of DRM. Simple as that for me.
john_hatcher: You are not the one to tell anyone what might happen in 2 months. This is GOGs job, but they just leave the customers in the dark and the come up with new implementations of things no one ever asked for, like the overview of your games where you can't sort manually and once in a while some poor basrad comes along and complains about this and all he/she gets it the forum "police" to show up and tells him/her how stupid he/she is and this changed a long time abo and the current situation is good.
And no officials will be there to maybe just say "we fucked this feature up and will probably never change this". This would be at least a true statement, but why not just ignore this guy.
"We" also cannot tell anybody what actualy WILL happen we can only tell what they told us (or at least part of this) and hopefully we can do a bit more than simply saying "we cannot tell you anything but we are aware" which often is GOGs reply. If however GOG would WANT to leave the customers in the dark there would not be a reason for this whole Q&A at all. If they only had wanted our input we could have skipped to the point where they were asking US questions and they also could simply have sent us an e-mail or sth. Hovewer before it came to that point it was the other way around and we were asking them (with discussions of course). Of course you just cannot be sure about any of this before they finally changed the things. When they have done the things they told us when we have gone from talking to doing ... before that nothing is a guarantee. I completely understand that what we are doing here is nothing more than trying to shed a bit more light on the whole situation.And no officials will be there to maybe just say "we fucked this feature up and will probably never change this". This would be at least a true statement, but why not just ignore this guy.
drmike
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Posted October 07, 2017
*sigh* You know you're tired when you read that as "violated".
Doggie and Kitty friendly office?
I do it four times a year in a Kinko's (or what was Kinko's) office. That's why they stick a fax machine in there. :)
Doggie and Kitty friendly office?
I do it four times a year in a Kinko's (or what was Kinko's) office. That's why they stick a fax machine in there. :)
Post edited October 07, 2017 by drmike
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Posted October 07, 2017
tinyE: I just noticed I am low rated for making fun of Gabe Newell in this thread. :P
How this place has fallen.
A few years ago I would have praised. XD
The kicker is, I bet a lot of the people who negged it are the same people in this very same thread bitching and moaning about how GOG is becoming too much like Steam. :P
some would say how it has grown. this place was always a bubble of Valve disapproval that skewed into irrational territory. but it seems that sweet sweet Gaben is getting his due here now as well.How this place has fallen.
A few years ago I would have praised. XD
The kicker is, I bet a lot of the people who negged it are the same people in this very same thread bitching and moaning about how GOG is becoming too much like Steam. :P
mechmouse
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Posted October 07, 2017
tinyE: I just noticed I am low rated for making fun of Gabe Newell in this thread. :P
How this place has fallen.
A few years ago I would have praised. XD
The kicker is, I bet a lot of the people who negged it are the same people in this very same thread bitching and moaning about how GOG is becoming too much like Steam. :P
Must have missed those comments.How this place has fallen.
A few years ago I would have praised. XD
The kicker is, I bet a lot of the people who negged it are the same people in this very same thread bitching and moaning about how GOG is becoming too much like Steam. :P
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Posted October 07, 2017
drmike
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JMich
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