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timppu: I don't understand 4k for anything at this point. For people with 4k TVs, what content exactly are you watching at that resolution?
Yeah, me neither.
In Italy TV broadcasts are at 1080i only for the main channels (the rest is SD), UHD systems are rare (many people still buy DVDs..), the average connection speed is probably <=10Mbps in the big cities and modem-like everywhere else.
4K is basically useless at the moment here..

Also, everything is full of horrible DRM..
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phaolo: In Italy TV broadcasts are at 1080i only for the main channels (the rest is SD)
What are the "main channels" in Italy?

In Finland I think the only free aired TV channels shown in HD are those by our national (state) TV company, YLE. They have, I think, 4 channels they show (also) in HD. Of course these are not really "free" because everyone has to pay the state annually to finance YLE, kind of a tax. I presume in e.g. UK there is a similar system for BBC, and so on...

Then we have several private TV companies which have several free TV channels financed by TV ads... but the thing is that they have kept only their SD channels free for anyone to see. They have HD sister channels for them, but in order to see the HD channels, you have to pay for some cable TV company or such to view them. So pay to see in HD what you can see for free in SD.

That has been the situation for many many years now. I have no idea if this is about to change anytime soon so since I am not buying any cable TV channels or such, all I can see in HD are those four national HD channels which usually show some fat lady singing in an opera (culture) or a live broadcoast from a boring parliament meeting where they are arguing about the increase to the national diaper benefit for families or some such important political things.
Post edited February 09, 2017 by timppu
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darthspudius: I have to admit, I don't understand the fuss of 4k for gaming.
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timppu: I don't understand 4k for anything at this point. For people with 4k TVs, what content exactly are you watching at that resolution? Are there already lots of 4K movies on Bluray discs or such, is Netflix showing lots of 4K movies and TV series (how fast and reliable internet connection does it need for streaming those without hiccups and visual artifacts) etc.?

It just feels silly to me how I've had a HDTV for years now, yet still I am 90% of the time watching old SD content on it that our TV companies still show. There are a couple of (free) HD channels, but all the other HD channels are behind pay walls. And no I don't have a Bluray player either.

I guess Netflix would be the most probable source for me even for basic HDTV content (unless I'd want to watch the bigger US Netflix selection through VPN or such, in which case I think it is not HD quality anymore, coming overseas...). I have no idea where I'd get 4K content. Watch the same 4K demo video over and over again that comes with the TV?
Summing it up right there.
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JK41R4: Why 12k though? It just seems very incongruous, you'd expect 8k or 16k.

Anyway, I'll only be doing 4k or above when it's very affordable (I should be able to get at least the GPU and Monitor capable of doing it for less than $300)
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darthspudius: I have to admit, I don't understand the fuss of 4k for gaming. It comes across as the latest fad, one that just isn't practical for the average gamer.
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JK41R4: Not necessarily, it will probably become standard in the future. It may not be practical now, but the technology will get cheaper. (Heh, maybe even in the 9th console gen.)
Remind me in 7/8 years... or more. :D
Post edited February 09, 2017 by darthspudius
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phaolo: In Italy TV broadcasts are at 1080i only for the main channels (the rest is SD)
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timppu: What are the "main channels" in Italy?
I meant the most known and accessible ones (free and national tv).
They're about 10 (and with only 3 owners).
The paid channels are probably all HD by now.
Post edited February 09, 2017 by phaolo
I downgraded from a 4K 60hz monitor to a 1080p 75hz flicker free blue light filtered monitor. Not killing my eyes in the long run is more important. That last $450 4K Dell monitor hurts my eyes, not because of the high res, but it didn't have the eye comfort technology.
Post edited February 09, 2017 by eksasol
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eksasol: I downgraded from a 4K 60hz monitor to a 1080p 75hz flicker free blue light filtered monitor. Not killing my eyes in the long run is more important. That last $450 4K Dell monitor hurts my eyes, not because of the high res, but it didn't have the eye comfort technology.
https://justgetflux.com/
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Klumpen0815: Is this still gog.com where svga is already kinda modern?
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Lin545: 16 or 256 colors? Or maybe 65535 colors? Its kinda important, hard to do with 512kb video memory...
Using Amiga' HAM mode to get 4096 colours ;)
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Lin545: 16 or 256 colors? Or maybe 65535 colors? Its kinda important, hard to do with 512kb video memory...
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fishbaits: Using Amiga' HAM mode to get 4096 colours ;)
HAM rely on a special design and could not work on SVGA.
The later version, HAM8, could show 262144 colours at the same time.
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eksasol: I downgraded from a 4K 60hz monitor to a 1080p 75hz flicker free blue light filtered monitor. Not killing my eyes in the long run is more important. That last $450 4K Dell monitor hurts my eyes, not because of the high res, but it didn't have the eye comfort technology.
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Klumpen0815: https://justgetflux.com/
It's not good enough. The monitor I have uses direct current to power the backlight so there is no flickering.

Also with the monitor's built in filter mode, I can use the software dispcalGUI to apply colorimeter color profile to improve the color, so while the blues are reduced physically by the monitor, the program can improve the screen colors so it doesn't look like yellow piss without physically introducing more bluelight.

It would be weird to use two color correction software at the sametime.
Post edited February 09, 2017 by eksasol
I'm still waiting for the ultimate standard of 24K golden gaming.
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PookaMustard: Pssht. How about 140p gaming?

But seriously, it is pointless. Impressive, but pointless. If 8K gaming is pricy, 12K gaming is even moreso out of the question. It's a good thing that resolutions are a preference rather than something functional.
Yeah this is sorta where I just shake my head and say it's all too ridiculous.

There were tons of great games coming out in SD before the switch to HD. The push hs since seen a sharp decline in good games and a huge increase in ports with marginal changes in graphics.

I just don't see the point. Other than being able to not require AA at all, I don't see otherwise how such high resolutions really are going to help, not to mention each time you bump up you require something like 8x the processing power as before. And more or less, only the top gaming rigs could probably support half of it anyways, so we're probably looking at games that are going to go from 50Gb to 300Gb.

So I don't see the point.
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timppu: I don't understand 4k for anything at this point. For people with 4k TVs, what content exactly are you watching at that resolution? Are there already lots of 4K movies on Bluray discs or such, is Netflix showing lots of 4K movies and TV series (how fast and reliable internet connection does it need for streaming those without hiccups and visual artifacts) etc.?
Good question... While original film can be rescanned at higher resolution to get you a 4k or sharper experience, it tends to just show off more and more flaws rather than being better.

Also apparently when going to the switch to digital recording, most only go to a 2k resolution, so it will have to be upscaled, and most movies that make special effects only go to a 2-2.5k mastering or something in that area. This means unless they take the time to remaster movies at even higher resolution, that it's pointless, possibly too much time, or using algorithms to filters like bicubic in order to fill the gaps and give a higher resolution feel. While you can double a resolution that way and more or less not notice, I wouldn't want to go any further than that.
Post edited February 09, 2017 by rtcvb32
I am still sad that the computer monitors LOST 120 pixels heightwise ten years ago. Using two monitors certainly makes sense to me for some games and three looks like it suits racing games (not my cup of tea).