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Fallout Seriesclassic vs not classic(17 posts)(17 posts)
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Posted December 21, 2015
what is the difference between fallout 1/2/tactics and their counterparts with "classic" suffix?
i own all three games in classic version. but now there are these games without classic for sale?
whats the difference? do i have to purchase them again?
Posted December 21, 2015
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The 'Classic' versions are the original Interplay versions with extra goodies. The current Bethesda versions don't have those goodies, and some logos were removed. Also the resolution patch was added to the new version. Other than that, the games are the same. No, you don't have to re-purchase them, since you have the better versions: you can add the patch yourself.
Posted December 22, 2015
I have the classic version, and I noticed something else. The classic version is compatible with Mac OS X, but the new version is not. That is not really fair to Mac owners who didn't get a chance to get the game before they changed it. Why would they do something so underhanded to their customers like this?
Post edited December 22, 2015 by iamdaman13
Posted December 22, 2015
Any updates (OS compatibility, etc.) to the Bethesda version will be added to the Interplay (Classic) version, right?
Posted December 22, 2015
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Drosa: Any updates (OS compatibility, etc.) to the Bethesda version will be added to the Interplay (Classic) version, right?
I doubt it. Interplay does not have the copyright any longer, Bethesda does, which is why GOG had to remove the classics from sale.
Posted December 22, 2015
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Drosa: Any updates (OS compatibility, etc.) to the Bethesda version will be added to the Interplay (Classic) version, right?
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Hickory: I doubt it. Interplay does not have the copyright any longer, Bethesda does, which is why GOG had to remove the classics from sale.
Actually, if you download the installers from Fallout Classic, you get the Bethesda re-release since the games returned to GOG. The bonus items are from the Interplay release though. I do wish I still had the older installers around though. Not that I have a problem with the Bethesda installers. The GOG versions actually work better than the Steam versions on my Windows 10 system.

Flynn
Posted December 22, 2015
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FlynnArrowstarr: Actually, if you download the installers from Fallout Classic, you get the Bethesda re-release since the games returned to GOG. The bonus items are from the Interplay release though.
does this mean, the bonus content from interplay is gone?
and which bonus items were these?
Posted December 22, 2015
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honx: does this mean, the bonus content from interplay is gone?
and which bonus items were these?
Pictures are very related. (In attachments)
The bonus items. IDK which ones are in the new versions, only the manual if I reckon correctly?
Classic ones also have no Bethesda shitty launcher and old Highres patches. Better to get newer ones from NMA and F1 Fixt and F2 Restoration Project/Unofficial Patch
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FlynnArrowstarr: Actually, if you download the installers from Fallout Classic, you get the Bethesda re-release since the games returned to GOG. The bonus items are from the Interplay release though.
Wew lad, good that I haven't downloaded the new installers then. I still have the old ones on my home server.
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Post edited December 22, 2015 by dewtech
Posted December 23, 2015
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FlynnArrowstarr: Actually, if you download the installers from Fallout Classic, you get the Bethesda re-release since the games returned to GOG. The bonus items are from the Interplay release though.
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honx: does this mean, the bonus content from interplay is gone?
and which bonus items were these?
If you bought the games before they were pulled, you have the Fallout Classic games in your library. These were updated with the Bethesda installers but the bonus content from the Interplay versions are still there. The new catalog titles have the Bethesda installers, but have fewer bonus items.
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FlynnArrowstarr: Actually, if you download the installers from Fallout Classic, you get the Bethesda re-release since the games returned to GOG. The bonus items are from the Interplay release though.
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dewtech: Wew lad, good that I haven't downloaded the new installers then. I still have the old ones on my home server.
Yeah, I do wish I'd kept a copy of the Interplay installers. I do have them on disc from a Fallout Trilogy set, but still... I do still have all the bonus items. Not certain how my Interplay installers had disappeared off my home storage system either.

In regards to the Bethesda vs. Interplay versions, I've experienced no problems using Fixt or Fallout 2 Restoration on either version. No problems playing either version "vanilla" as well. =)

Flynn
Post edited December 23, 2015 by FlynnArrowstarr
Posted December 23, 2015
the only thing that the Bethesda version has that we classic owners don't have is The Elder Scrolls: Arena and The Elder Scrolls Chapter II: Daggerfall. But you can get it free from Bethesda:

Arena: http://www.elderscrolls.com/arena/
(or even better here: [url=http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Arena:Files]http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Arena:Files[/url] (include all the patches the Bethesda one lack)
Daggerfall: http://www.elderscrolls.com/daggerfall/

But would have liked to have them here too :P
Post edited December 23, 2015 by te_lanus
Posted December 23, 2015
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te_lanus: the only thing that the Bethesda version has that we classic owners don't have is The Elder Scrolls: Arena and The Elder Scrolls Chapter II: Daggerfall. But you can get it free from Bethesda:

Arena: http://www.elderscrolls.com/arena/
(or even better here: [url=http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Arena:Files]http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Arena:Files[/url] (include all the patches the Bethesda one lack)
Daggerfall: http://www.elderscrolls.com/daggerfall/

But would have liked to have them here too :P
Bethesda versions are pointless for Daggerfall and Arena. Get wiwiland ones. Ahh Arena you posted, Daggerfall is here :[url=http://wiwiki.wiwiland.net/index.php/Daggerfall_:_Installer_Daggerfall]http://wiwiki.wiwiland.net/index.php/Daggerfall_:_Installer_Daggerfall[/url] and English page here [url=http://wiwiki.wiwiland.net/index.php?title=Daggerfall_:_DaggerfallSetup_EN]http://wiwiki.wiwiland.net/index.php?title=Daggerfall_:_DaggerfallSetup_EN[/url]

Also Daggerfall and Arena you get on GoG I just have for catalog completion (because I bought Morrowind here aswell (bought it for the 4th time, DVDs are shite) )
Post edited December 23, 2015 by dewtech
Posted December 29, 2015
GOG should be a bit more transparent about this...
Posted January 02, 2016
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glassedsilver: GOG should be a bit more transparent about this...
I kind of agree, but I'm guessing that they can't be without a lot of agro from Bethesda over the fact that both versions are identical.
Posted January 03, 2016
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glassedsilver: GOG should be a bit more transparent about this...
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Navagon: I kind of agree, but I'm guessing that they can't be without a lot of agro from Bethesda over the fact that both versions are identical.
In that case, drop the game from GOG's catalogue.

I'm here to get a no BS experience, so if a publisher can't stand a label clearly marking that a) I got that game already and b) I got a better version and that others who don't have the game are told about the substantial changes as well, I don't really feel too comfortable anymore about the other things I'm shopping.

GTA San Andreas on Steam comes to mind...
Or Crazy Taxi... wow, where's all the cool music that I remember rocking out to?
Yea, somewhere it might be hidden in a long text, but I'm sick and tired of this hunting for every single detail for every single game I'm getting.
My Steam library is almost 600 games strong, I have hundreds of physical games, I have nearly 100 games in GOG already and then there's all those non-Steam/GOG digital games I have from elsewhere (freeware, purchases made elsewhere, etc) - I'm a collector and I'm very willing to spend a good portion of my income on games, but I don't want to basically "work for free" in my free time to find out a) if I'm getting shafted and b) why and c) to which extend.

I've always enjoyed GOG's approach about being fair about global pricing, apparently mostly avoiding censored versions of games - either you can buy it or you can't, a simple and fair approach instead of Steam forcing adult gamers into the ominous "German version" if you happen to be, well German, as I am.

To see this softening up is irritating at best and worrying at least, because now I know that apparently I have to do the good old "Do I get shafted here" dance too and that's especially upsetting as I actually wanted to make GOG my go-to store for digital games on PC (or digital games in general as I avoid digital-only on consoles like the plague)

If Bethesda (or Activision who now own Bethesda) forced GOG in their contract to be this shady or otherwise the deal is bust then this also reflects very poorly on Bethesda.
Now, I doubt we'll ever hear the truth, because as with every "niche complaint", there is no pressure and GOG could just fly away with just a minority of the users ever having heard about this whilst they rock out to the good vibes of "hey, look we're the good guys with the all-optional Galaxy client" and they'd be right to rock out to that, but I'd really feel more comfortable about all this if I saw that this is a one-off slip up and ideally picked up by GOG.

Not holding my breath though I have to admit.
Posted January 03, 2016
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glassedsilver: In that case, drop the game from GOG's catalogue.
They have.

Insofar as they've removed the Interplay version. That exists only in the libraries of those who bought it. They need a separate Bethesda version solely because it has fewer extras. The only alternative would be to remove the extras from people who bought the Interplay version. So they've already made the most logical choice in how to handle this.

Your complaint is very niche, yes. We're talking about 18 / 19 year old games here. It's not like they're going to get any major updates without a big song and dance being made about it like with the Enhanced Editions of Infinity engine games. So why would you need to have it spelled out?

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glassedsilver: (or Activision who now own Bethesda)
Have a link for this, because I've never seen or heard anything about this and it's the kind of thing that would get mentioned a lot.
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