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Posted December 01, 2017
Does anyone know if the latest patch finally fixed the camps so that the food supply actually dwindles? Last I played you could keep camping and hunting in the same place with no problems getting food, no matter how much was actually (supposedly) there, and it never went down.

Also, does campsite security actually factor into anything now? Last time I played all that mattered was the total guard strength (overall, not even per shift AFAIK) - and it didn't seem to change no matter what the security was. By which I mean, a camp with a total of 5 points worth of people guarding per shift would be 95% all the time, with security not mattering at all - which was disappointing considering how much campsite location changed this in Conquistador.
Posted December 01, 2017
The latest patch (1.0.7.2) isn't even on GOG yet and it's been out since 15th November. There's even a beta for patch 1.0.7.3. Logic Artists don't care about anybody not buying on Steam.
Posted December 01, 2017
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Hickory: The latest patch (1.0.7.2) isn't even on GOG yet and it's been out since 15th November. There's even a beta for patch 1.0.7.3. Logic Artists don't care about anybody not buying on Steam.
Goddammit, and it was only recently that we (finally) got the 1.0.7.1 patch - and it's likely that only happened after people started complaining about it.

This is getting ridiculous. It's not just this game or these devs either, which leads me to believe that GOG's process a) takes longer and b) requires more effort from developers (or both). Either way, GOG should really do something about it - surely they can't rely on "not being Steam" forever (pretty much the only reason many people stick with GOG - due to in theory not needing a client to play).
Posted December 01, 2017
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Hickory: The latest patch (1.0.7.2) isn't even on GOG yet and it's been out since 15th November. There's even a beta for patch 1.0.7.3. Logic Artists don't care about anybody not buying on Steam.
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squid830: Goddammit, and it was only recently that we (finally) got the 1.0.7.1 patch - and it's likely that only happened after people started complaining about it.

This is getting ridiculous. It's not just this game or these devs either, which leads me to believe that GOG's process a) takes longer and b) requires more effort from developers (or both). Either way, GOG should really do something about it - surely they can't rely on "not being Steam" forever (pretty much the only reason many people stick with GOG - due to in theory not needing a client to play).
This isn't GOG, this is Logic Artists. They used to have their own forum, but that got shut down in favour of them using the Steam community as a surrogate. That's where all their 'official' communications with the public are held, including official announcements. Have you ever seen a Logic Artists official announcement or even developer post on GOG? No.
Posted December 01, 2017
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squid830: Goddammit, and it was only recently that we (finally) got the 1.0.7.1 patch - and it's likely that only happened after people started complaining about it.

This is getting ridiculous. It's not just this game or these devs either, which leads me to believe that GOG's process a) takes longer and b) requires more effort from developers (or both). Either way, GOG should really do something about it - surely they can't rely on "not being Steam" forever (pretty much the only reason many people stick with GOG - due to in theory not needing a client to play).
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Hickory: This isn't GOG, this is Logic Artists. They used to have their own forum, but that got shut down in favour of them using the Steam community as a surrogate. That's where all their 'official' communications with the public are held, including official announcements. Have you ever seen a Logic Artists official announcement or even developer post on GOG? No.
Good point - I do remember their forums back when Conquistador had come out. I even joined them briefly, but due to laziness stopped visiting shortly after, and only noticed that they were gone around when Viking came out (and I tried to check them).

The question though is, why did they do this? Sure, they couldn't be bothered keeping their own forum, and the Steam forums probably get more traffic - those would be considerations.

My point though was that there are a number of games where patches are delayed, and even if those delays are entirely the fault of the developer, the question would be WHY?

The easy answer is "Steam is more popular, Gog has far fewer sales, therefore they don't care as much" - which is no doubt true of some devs - but I also think a contributing factor could potentially be that GOG's process for devs to submit patches and the like could be more annoying than Steam's.

Note that I'm not giving any devs here a "valid" excuse or anything - they should definitely try harder - but I also think that if it's so much easier for devs to release patches on Steam, then maybe there's something GOG could learn from their process - as long as it doesn't compromise GOG's no-DRM values etc. of course.
Posted December 01, 2017
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Hickory: This isn't GOG, this is Logic Artists. They used to have their own forum, but that got shut down in favour of them using the Steam community as a surrogate. That's where all their 'official' communications with the public are held, including official announcements. Have you ever seen a Logic Artists official announcement or even developer post on GOG? No.
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squid830: Good point - I do remember their forums back when Conquistador had come out. I even joined them briefly, but due to laziness stopped visiting shortly after, and only noticed that they were gone around when Viking came out (and I tried to check them).

The question though is, why did they do this? Sure, they couldn't be bothered keeping their own forum, and the Steam forums probably get more traffic - those would be considerations.

My point though was that there are a number of games where patches are delayed, and even if those delays are entirely the fault of the developer, the question would be WHY?

The easy answer is "Steam is more popular, Gog has far fewer sales, therefore they don't care as much" - which is no doubt true of some devs - but I also think a contributing factor could potentially be that GOG's process for devs to submit patches and the like could be more annoying than Steam's.

Note that I'm not giving any devs here a "valid" excuse or anything - they should definitely try harder - but I also think that if it's so much easier for devs to release patches on Steam, then maybe there's something GOG could learn from their process - as long as it doesn't compromise GOG's no-DRM values etc. of course.
All valid points, but GOG is an official outlet for their game. Why, then, do they not bother to even acknowledge this side of their customer base? It doesn't take more than a minute or two to log in and post the same announcements that they do on Steam (forgetting patches for a moment) or to tell this user base that "patch xx is coming in xx days". The reason is, as I said, they don't care because GOG (or any other outlet) is not Steam. Heck, their last patch incorporated Stream Workshop -- they should join Valve.
Posted December 02, 2017
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Hickory: All valid points, but GOG is an official outlet for their game. Why, then, do they not bother to even acknowledge this side of their customer base? It doesn't take more than a minute or two to log in and post the same announcements that they do on Steam (forgetting patches for a moment) or to tell this user base that "patch xx is coming in xx days". The reason is, as I said, they don't care because GOG (or any other outlet) is not Steam. Heck, their last patch incorporated Stream Workshop -- they should join Valve.
I completely agree with you there. At least when they released Conquistadors they seemed slightly more responsive on GOG. For Viking, I've seen maybe three messages from one of them? And the last of those was a long time ago - as you say, they don't even bother acknowledging our presence here.

They probably treat all other non-Steam shops the same - though that doesn't make it right. I think what you mentioned straight up speaks volumes - namely that they no longer even have their own forum, and use Steam forums exclusively now, apart from the (very) occasional post on the Codex (so the Codex gets more info on patches than we do here, and they're not even a shop!).
Posted December 03, 2017
Well...

Again, a patch long available on Steam mysteriously 'appears' two days after being mentioned it's not on GOG.

Same thing as here. Twice in a row. That's not coincidence.
Posted December 03, 2017
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Hickory: Well...

Again, a patch long available on Steam mysteriously 'appears' two days after being mentioned it's not on GOG.

Same thing as here. Twice in a row. That's not coincidence.
Well if it's not a coincidence, then that would mean the devs have sent it to GOG because of it being mentioned on this forum. That would mean that the devs have checked this forum recently, therefore there's someone over there checking this forum on a regular basis at least.

One possible conclusion to draw from this: they're monitoring this forum to see if/when someone complains about the lack of patch, and only once they see such a complaint do they actually send it to GOG.

So... on the one hand, they're not ignoring us entirely, but on the other hand, they're seeing what level of service they can get away with here because it's extra effort they'd rather not do?

Or maybe they're relying on Galaxy stats to let them know how many GOG users have played the game recently - which I'd seriously suggest they don't base anything on since I suspect many GOG people would be like me and turn all that stats crap off, or not use Galaxy at all.
Posted December 03, 2017
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Hickory: Well...

Again, a patch long available on Steam mysteriously 'appears' two days after being mentioned it's not on GOG.

Same thing as here. Twice in a row. That's not coincidence.
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squid830: Well if it's not a coincidence, then that would mean the devs have sent it to GOG because of it being mentioned on this forum. That would mean that the devs have checked this forum recently, therefore there's someone over there checking this forum on a regular basis at least.

One possible conclusion to draw from this: they're monitoring this forum to see if/when someone complains about the lack of patch, and only once they see such a complaint do they actually send it to GOG.

So... on the one hand, they're not ignoring us entirely, but on the other hand, they're seeing what level of service they can get away with here because it's extra effort they'd rather not do?

Or maybe they're relying on Galaxy stats to let them know how many GOG users have played the game recently - which I'd seriously suggest they don't base anything on since I suspect many GOG people would be like me and turn all that stats crap off, or not use Galaxy at all.
Or... somebody from the GOG team sees the complaints here and takes it up with Logic Artists?

Let's be honest here, if L.A. *are* monitoring this forum then that makes their behaviour even worse: monitoring while explicitly refraining from communication is the very definition of ignoring. Unacceptable.
Posted December 03, 2017
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Hickory: Or... somebody from the GOG team sees the complaints here and takes it up with Logic Artists?
Also possible, and more likely now I think about it.

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Hickory: Let's be honest here, if L.A. *are* monitoring this forum then that makes their behaviour even worse: monitoring while explicitly refraining from communication is the very definition of ignoring. Unacceptable.
Yes that's definitely worse, although no matter how the matter was resolved, one would think that if they're so far behind on patches that people are starting to complain, that they (LA) would take it upon themselves to at least acknowledge this. Ideally they would also do something about it so that the delays aren't as bad for future patches, but I don't see this happening.
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