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Hello everyone,
I wanted to ask some advice. I have invested a lot of time on Daggerfall and have built my character up to a pretty substantial level. Now I am going through the main quest and have acquired the dust of restful death from Medora at Direnni Tower. Now I have to use it on Lysandus' Tomb. The problem is, I don't know the location of Lysandus' Tome. According to the internet, I am supposed to get the location from a previous quest called Castle Llugwych. I had, earlier in the game, received the letter activating this quest and asking me to meet an agent of the Underking at some Tavern in some town, but the quest has timed out because I was involved in another quest at the time, and now the letter seems to have vanished from my inventory. Now I seem to be wandering around aimlessly with no way to activate this quest, find Lysandus' Tome, and progress in the main quest. Does anyone know what to do? Am I totally screwed? I would find it very hard to believe that the game would be that poorly designed. Is there any way to correct this? Thank you for your time.
As far as I know, Daggerfall doesn't let you fix this issue, which leaves reloading an older save file or hacking your current one only.
Do you have a save file from before you missed the date with the agent? If not, you could search for a hacking guide or use THAW ([url=http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:Thawbin.zip]http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:Thawbin.zip[/url]). According to the description, "THAW will restart one of the seven subplots from the main quest in Daggerfall. You can use THAW to recover from inadvertently saying No to the wrong NPC at the wrong time. Or to revive a subplot which won't start for some reason."

I have no personal experience with THAW, nor do I know exactly what the 7 subplots are (I guess it's "Medora" in your case), but you could give it a try. Back up your save files before using it, then run it and find out what happens. In the worst case, you restore your save files.

Time is an essential component of the Daggerfall quest system, and missing a quest completion date may have severe consequences, from damaging your reputation up to making it impossible for you to complete quest lines or even the main quest (which has probably happened in your case).
I myself never ask for a quest without saving the game first. And when I get a message that someone is waiting for me somewhere, I also save the game immediately afterwards so that I am able to go back to this point, should something go wrong.
And bear in mind that you can have more than 6 save games (as many as you want) by creating backup copies of the save file directory - with the risk to get lost, unless you introduce some admin system for managing those backups :-).
Thank you very much for the reply. I did not have the foresight to keep older save files so I am going to have to try the THAW thing. Let's hope it works.
One word of advice: Whenever you play a game that is known or likely to be buggy, *always* save early and often, and in multiple slots.

This applies to all Bethesda games, as well as to most non-ancient WRPGs in general. It's a good practice for other genres as well, and especially important if you are playing an In Development game, or are alpha or beta testing a game.
Sound advice! And not only for buggy games: There are many reasons why you might wish to revert back to an older save.

totaldepravity: Have you been successful with THAW?
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Greywolf1: Sound advice! And not only for buggy games: There are many reasons why you might wish to revert back to an older save.

totaldepravity: Have you been successful with THAW?
Truthfully, I'm not very good with computers and I haven't figured out how to use it.
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totaldepravity: Truthfully, I'm not very good with computers and I haven't figured out how to use it.
Perhaps you know someone who can help you?

From reading the description of THAW, it appears to be quite simple for someone with a basic knowledge of PC's (of course, I can't guarantee that it works):
- download the file THAWBIN.ZIP from the link in my earlier post and extract it into your DAGGERFALL folder
- create a backup copy of the SAVE0 to SAVE5 folders within DAGGERFALL (or of the DAGGERFALL folder as a whole - it's easier to do, but requires 600 MB of disk space, if that's an issue for you)
- create a shortcut for the file THAW.EXE
- right-click on the shortcut file (which must be in the DAGGERFALL folder) and select "Properties"; you should see a small window with several tabs and a box containing the word "thaw" underneath the tabs; there you add a number between 0 and 5 for the save file slot, and the name of the subplot you want to reset, in your case the line should read something like (without the quotes) "thaw 3 medora", if you want to reset the Medora subplot in the 4th of your 6 save files (small or capital letters make no difference)
- alternatively you can open a new file in NOTEPAD, type the line above, and save it to something like THAW.BAT in your DAGGERFALL folder (this is important, otherwise you have to tell THAW where Daggerfall is installed, which is explained in the THAW readme, too).
- then you simply double-click either the shortcut file or the THAW.BAT file, which should do the trick.
- then you open the modified save file and check whether or not you like the result; if you are not happy, you restore your backup files.

I just had a quick look myself, and it may not be as simple as it looks. The reason is that you may not be able to run the THAW.EXE on a modern PC - it didn't work for my Windows 10 PC. In this case, you have to use DOSBOX:
- extract THAW.EXE to your DAGGERFALL folder and perform the backup step I have described above
- go to the DOSBOX folder inside the DAGGERFALL folder (for the GOG version of Daggerfall) and double-click the DOSBOX file
- a small window opens showing the entry "Z:\>" with a blinking cursor
- there you enter (without quotes) "mount c nnn" where nnn is the exact path of your DAGGERFALL folder, followed by ENTER
- when you see the blinking cursor again, you enter (without quotes) "C:\" followed by ENTER, and then the line (again without quotes) "thaw n medora" where n is the number of the save file you want to reset, followed by ENTER
- when you see the blinking cursor again, you enter the word EXIT, and press ENTER, which should close the DOSBOX window
- then launch Daggerfall and check the result of the action.

Two final comments:
- Be careful with the save file numbers: When you load a savegame from within Daggerfall, you are shown the six savefile slots as a 2x3 rectangle. The one in the top left is SAVE0, the one to the right of it is SAVE1, the left one in the second line is SAVE2, the right one SAVE3, etc.
- Don't forget: It's only my guess that MEDORA is the right subplot. If it doesn't work with MEDORA, you might try one of the other 6 subplot names listed in the readme file for THAW (it's the file THAW.HTML)

Good luck!
Post edited February 24, 2016 by Greywolf1
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totaldepravity: Truthfully, I'm not very good with computers and I haven't figured out how to use it.
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Greywolf1: Perhaps you know someone who can help you?

From reading the description of THAW, it appears to be quite simple for someone with a basic knowledge of PC's (of course, I can't guarantee that it works):
- download the file THAWBIN.ZIP from the link in my earlier post and extract it into your DAGGERFALL folder
- create a backup copy of the SAVE0 to SAVE5 folders within DAGGERFALL (or of the DAGGERFALL folder as a whole - it's easier to do, but requires 600 MB of disk space, if that's an issue for you)
- create a shortcut for the file THAW.EXE
- right-click on the shortcut file (which must be in the DAGGERFALL folder) and select "Properties"; you should see a small window with several tabs and a box containing the word "thaw" underneath the tabs; there you add a number between 0 and 5 for the save file slot, and the name of the subplot you want to reset, in your case the line should read something like (without the quotes) "thaw 3 medora", if you want to reset the Medora subplot in the 4th of your 6 save files (small or capital letters make no difference)
- alternatively you can open a new file in NOTEPAD, type the line above, and save it to something like THAW.BAT in your DAGGERFALL folder (this is important, otherwise you have to tell THAW where Daggerfall is installed, which is explained in the THAW readme, too).
- then you simply double-click either the shortcut file or the THAW.BAT file, which should do the trick.
- then you open the modified save file and check whether or not you like the result; if you are not happy, you restore your backup files.

I just had a quick look myself, and it may not be as simple as it looks. The reason is that you may not be able to run the THAW.EXE on a modern PC - it didn't work for my Windows 10 PC. In this case, you have to use DOSBOX:
- extract THAW.EXE to your DAGGERFALL folder and perform the backup step I have described above
- go to the DOSBOX folder inside the DAGGERFALL folder (for the GOG version of Daggerfall) and double-click the DOSBOX file
- a small window opens showing the entry "Z:\>" with a blinking cursor
- there you enter (without quotes) "mount c nnn" where nnn is the exact path of your DAGGERFALL folder, followed by ENTER
- when you see the blinking cursor again, you enter (without quotes) "C:\" followed by ENTER, and then the line (again without quotes) "thaw n medora" where n is the number of the save file you want to reset, followed by ENTER
- when you see the blinking cursor again, you enter the word EXIT, and press ENTER, which should close the DOSBOX window
- then launch Daggerfall and check the result of the action.

Two final comments:
- Be careful with the save file numbers: When you load a savegame from within Daggerfall, you are shown the six savefile slots as a 2x3 rectangle. The one in the top left is SAVE0, the one to the right of it is SAVE1, the left one in the second line is SAVE2, the right one SAVE3, etc.
- Don't forget: It's only my guess that MEDORA is the right subplot. If it doesn't work with MEDORA, you might try one of the other 6 subplot names listed in the readme file for THAW (it's the file THAW.HTML)

Good luck!
Thank you very much. I will give it a try tonight when I get back.
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totaldepravity: Truthfully, I'm not very good with computers and I haven't figured out how to use it.
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Greywolf1: Perhaps you know someone who can help you?

From reading the description of THAW, it appears to be quite simple for someone with a basic knowledge of PC's (of course, I can't guarantee that it works):
- download the file THAWBIN.ZIP from the link in my earlier post and extract it into your DAGGERFALL folder
- create a backup copy of the SAVE0 to SAVE5 folders within DAGGERFALL (or of the DAGGERFALL folder as a whole - it's easier to do, but requires 600 MB of disk space, if that's an issue for you)
- create a shortcut for the file THAW.EXE
- right-click on the shortcut file (which must be in the DAGGERFALL folder) and select "Properties"; you should see a small window with several tabs and a box containing the word "thaw" underneath the tabs; there you add a number between 0 and 5 for the save file slot, and the name of the subplot you want to reset, in your case the line should read something like (without the quotes) "thaw 3 medora", if you want to reset the Medora subplot in the 4th of your 6 save files (small or capital letters make no difference)
- alternatively you can open a new file in NOTEPAD, type the line above, and save it to something like THAW.BAT in your DAGGERFALL folder (this is important, otherwise you have to tell THAW where Daggerfall is installed, which is explained in the THAW readme, too).
- then you simply double-click either the shortcut file or the THAW.BAT file, which should do the trick.
- then you open the modified save file and check whether or not you like the result; if you are not happy, you restore your backup files.

I just had a quick look myself, and it may not be as simple as it looks. The reason is that you may not be able to run the THAW.EXE on a modern PC - it didn't work for my Windows 10 PC. In this case, you have to use DOSBOX:
- extract THAW.EXE to your DAGGERFALL folder and perform the backup step I have described above
- go to the DOSBOX folder inside the DAGGERFALL folder (for the GOG version of Daggerfall) and double-click the DOSBOX file
- a small window opens showing the entry "Z:\>" with a blinking cursor
- there you enter (without quotes) "mount c nnn" where nnn is the exact path of your DAGGERFALL folder, followed by ENTER
- when you see the blinking cursor again, you enter (without quotes) "C:\" followed by ENTER, and then the line (again without quotes) "thaw n medora" where n is the number of the save file you want to reset, followed by ENTER
- when you see the blinking cursor again, you enter the word EXIT, and press ENTER, which should close the DOSBOX window
- then launch Daggerfall and check the result of the action.

Two final comments:
- Be careful with the save file numbers: When you load a savegame from within Daggerfall, you are shown the six savefile slots as a 2x3 rectangle. The one in the top left is SAVE0, the one to the right of it is SAVE1, the left one in the second line is SAVE2, the right one SAVE3, etc.
- Don't forget: It's only my guess that MEDORA is the right subplot. If it doesn't work with MEDORA, you might try one of the other 6 subplot names listed in the readme file for THAW (it's the file THAW.HTML)

Good luck!
Thank you for taking all the time to answer my question, but I just can't get it to work. The first solution won't work under my current version of windows so I tried the second solution using DoxBox.

When I open DosBox from my Daggerfall folder and the "Z:\>" prompt appears, I type:

Mount c C:\Program Files (x86)\GalaxyClient\Games\Daggerfall and it tells me, "Directory C:\ Program Doesn't Exist." (even though it does exist).

So then I try it without the first c as such: Mount C:\Program Files (x86)\GalaxyClient\Games\Daggerfall

and it tells me: "Usage MOUNT Drive-Letter Local-Directory
For Example: MOUNT C d:\dosprogs
This makes the directory d:\dosprogs act as the C: drive inside DOSBox
The directory has to exist."

I've tried it over and over again but I give up. But thank you anyway for trying to help. Take care.
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totaldepravity: When I open DosBox from my Daggerfall folder and the "Z:\>" prompt appears, I type:

Mount c C:\Program Files (x86)\GalaxyClient\Games\Daggerfall and it tells me, "Directory C:\ Program Doesn't Exist." (even though it does exist).

So then I try it without the first c as such: Mount C:\Program Files (x86)\GalaxyClient\Games\Daggerfall

and it tells me: "Usage MOUNT Drive-Letter Local-Directory
For Example: MOUNT C d:\dosprogs
This makes the directory d:\dosprogs act as the C: drive inside DOSBox
The directory has to exist."

I've tried it over and over again but I give up. But thank you anyway for trying to help. Take care.
My apologies for not pointing out that there might be an issue with folder and file names.
DosBox adheres to the old 8-byte restriction of the DOS operating system: no folder or file name was allowed to be more than 8 characters long. Obviously, "Program Files ..." is more than 8 characters long.
There are 2 solutions: The first one is to copy your Daggerfall folder to a place where all names involved are less than 8 characters long. I myself use a folder I call C:\prog\ or D:\prog for my games. Others use names like C:\games or so (which also has the advantage to reduce the control of the Windows operating system over what you are doing - but that's a different story). In addition, you could change the name of your Daggerfall folder to "dagger" (without quotes) or something similar (at most 8 characters long. As an example: The full path name of my Daggerfall installation is d:\prog\dagger.
With that done, you can start DosBox again and enter "mount c c:\prog\dagger" (without quotes) or whatever your path is, and you'll see it works.
The issue with that is that you would have to either change the whole method of calling Daggerfall afterwards, or you would have to copy the contents of the new Daggerfall folder back to the old place, and then run Daggerfall in the normal way.
If you want to avoid this, you can use the second method, where you leave all files where they are:
The second method is to use DosBox' method to deal with longer folder and file names: DosBox takes the first 6 characters of the folder or file name and appends "~n" (without quotes) to it. n is a sequential number, which comes into play when you have several folders or files whose names have the first 6 characters in common. If there is only one, n is always 1.
So C:\program files ... becomes c:\progra~1 (unless there is a second folder whose name is C:\progra...), and your whole Daggerfall path would become C:\Progra~1\Galaxy~1\Games\Dagger~1. So you could try to enter
"mount c C:\Progra~1\Galaxy~1\Games\Dagger~1" (without quotes). If this doesn't work, you could try "mount c C:\Progra~2\Galaxy~1\Games\Dagger~1" (ideally, you find out how many C:\progra... folders you have before running DosBox).
Please let me remind you to backup the save folders in your daggerfall folder before starting the process.

I know this is a cumbersome and tedious process, but I have no better idea how to help you without sitting in front of your PC.