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I didnt get it. If I become Senechal, how another Dragon appear so new Arisen could come?
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Wrath-Amon: I didnt get it. If I become Senechal, how another Dragon appear so new Arisen could come?
Because becoming Seneschal isn't the end of the quest. Your own end is what started the process
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Wrath-Amon: I didnt get it. If I become Senechal, how another Dragon appear so new Arisen could come?
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ussnorway: Because becoming Seneschal isn't the end of the quest. Your own end is what started the process
Alright, then when Savan became Senechal, how another dragon appeared? Cuz obviously he didnt commit sepuku
my impression is that the Seneschal sends the Dragon
either that or some Power above the Seneschal sends it
There's only two real choices:

You fight the seneschal and lose >> Now YOU are the dragon.
You fight the seneschal and win >> You become seneschal. IF you commit seppuku >> New dragon is born.

Edit: You also have to realise 2 things. The story is weak... very weak, and nobody tells you what the hell is going on at any point. This may be because of point 2: the lore is unfleshed and is often contradictory. Capcom are not the best story tellers...
Post edited April 25, 2019 by Hickory
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Hickory: There's only two real choices:

You fight the seneschal and lose >> Now YOU are the dragon.
You fight the seneschal and win >> You become seneschal. IF you commit seppuku >> New dragon is born.

Edit: You also have to realise 2 things. The story is weak... very weak, and nobody tells you what the hell is going on at any point. This may be because of point 2: the lore is unfleshed and is often contradictory. Capcom are not the best story tellers...
if you commit seppuku then that is an act of will... in the lore of this game everything comes into being from acts of will and that is why humans are arision instead of lower beasts like goblins

now to be picky commiting seppuku does not make a new dragon... at least this isn't shown to be so but what it does do is inspire your pawn to make their own act of will (not something a pawn can noramlly do) and they become [the new] you

if you want to beleave they then live out their life as you in a romance sunset or that they (as the new arision) have their own adventures, one day sitting in the chair of seneschai & sending out the new dragon then thats up to you
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Hickory: There's only two real choices:

You fight the seneschal and lose >> Now YOU are the dragon.
You fight the seneschal and win >> You become seneschal. IF you commit seppuku >> New dragon is born.

Edit: You also have to realise 2 things. The story is weak... very weak, and nobody tells you what the hell is going on at any point. This may be because of point 2: the lore is unfleshed and is often contradictory. Capcom are not the best story tellers...
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ussnorway: if you commit seppuku then that is an act of will... in the lore of this game everything comes into being from acts of will and that is why humans are arision instead of lower beasts like goblins

now to be picky commiting seppuku does not make a new dragon... at least this isn't shown to be so but what it does do is inspire your pawn to make their own act of will (not something a pawn can noramlly do) and they become [the new] you

if you want to beleave they then live out their life as you in a romance sunset or that they (as the new arision) have their own adventures, one day sitting in the chair of seneschai & sending out the new dragon then thats up to you
The thing is, there IS no official "lore". All of the "lore" in this game is inferred from gameplay, mostly by wiki users, as far as I can tell. Show me an official Capcom lore guide? As for wiki, attached is the lore flowchart, which clearly shows that if you commit seppuku a new dragon attacks.
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Post edited April 25, 2019 by Hickory
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Hickory: All of the "lore" in this game is inferred from gameplay
correct... the part I'm talking about with acts of will and why humans (not golblins) can only be arision is told to us by the dragon in a cut scene with your romance other before the final battle

the in game final scene is this https://windowsforum.com/media/2019-04-24_0005_1-png.729/full ... there is no dragon

however, as i said if you want to assume your pawn then goes on to raise another dragon someday then i'm fine with that... its just not shown to be so in the game when you pick that ending

now I don't use wiki guides & i like to learn a game by playing it. I will sometimes come back to the forums and ask fellow players for hints if a get stuck "how to kill this or that dragon etc" but i don't know what it says in the wiki by people who may or may not have played the game
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Hickory: All of the "lore" in this game is inferred from gameplay
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ussnorway: correct... the part I'm talking about with acts of will and why humans (not golblins) can only be arision is told to us by the dragon in a cut scene with your romance other before the final battle

the in game final scene is this https://windowsforum.com/media/2019-04-24_0005_1-png.729/full ... there is no dragon

however, as i said if you want to assume your pawn then goes on to raise another dragon someday then i'm fine with that... its just not shown to be so in the game when you pick that ending

now I don't use wiki guides & i like to learn a game by playing it. I will sometimes come back to the forums and ask fellow players for hints if a get stuck "how to kill this or that dragon etc" but i don't know what it says in the wiki by people who may or may not have played the game
A true believer. No point arguing with one of those. As I said, there is no lore and the story and inferred lore are extremely suspect.

Edit: typo.
Post edited April 25, 2019 by Hickory
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ussnorway: correct... the part I'm talking about with acts of will and why humans (not golblins) can only be arision is told to us by the dragon in a cut scene with your romance other before the final battle

the in game final scene is this https://windowsforum.com/media/2019-04-24_0005_1-png.729/full ... there is no dragon

however, as i said if you want to assume your pawn then goes on to raise another dragon someday then i'm fine with that... its just not shown to be so in the game when you pick that ending

now I don't use wiki guides & i like to learn a game by playing it. I will sometimes come back to the forums and ask fellow players for hints if a get stuck "how to kill this or that dragon etc" but i don't know what it says in the wiki by people who may or may not have played the game
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Hickory: A true believer. No point arguing with one of those. As I said, there is no lore and the story and inferred lore are extremely suspect.

Edit: typo.
Do you realize that actually there is some OFFICIAL lore, since there is Dragons Dogma Online in Japan, wich clearly has LORE. Any Japan guy here? Though I must admit, in DD:DA story is kinda flawed. My thoughts that after commiting seppuku you break the endless cycle and ppl start living on their own. Mb... until some secret shenanigans happens and here we are... with another Senechal and Dragon or mb this world now is free to live on its own. But I clearly dont understand how new Dragon appeared after Savan became Senechal.

Savan defeat the Dragon and return hearts to their shareholders. World in ruins. He jumps off the cliff and defeat Senechal or mb come to empty heavenly throne with a sign "vacancy". Then he wakes up one day on his own cloud, tired of messing with stupid and pathetic humans and acts like "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!" and sends the Dragon, made from nothing to burn and pillage and and create new Arisens, then stole their beloved... and all these choice drama. It keeps him entertained like watching "Game Of Thrones" on widescreen with whole year Netflix subscription. Until some Arisen actually defeats the Dragon and came to Senechal angry, like an poor actor who's salary is not enough for this drama. If Senechal defeats the Arisen - you get a raise and now you are main antagonist, now you can fly around and troll the hell out of thousands ppl, taking their hearts, stealing their beloved, so new season of "GoT" starts. Until one day some lucky fella finish off the Senechal and either starts doing all these crap again like "Who's boss now, mthfckrs?!" or just drives a dagger into his heart in the act of "Screw you guys, Im going home", cuz he dont want another season and the plot is boring and "It already was in Simpsons".

Happy End.

Side not: Thought there are a lot of parallel worlds where drama never ends. So I assume that someday your own happy world could be "raked" again, cuz some Dragon ACCIDENLTY fell into your world from the Rift like walking into the opposite gender bathroom, cuz either Arisend or Senechal or both aint educated enough to choose the world #XXX they belong to.
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Wrath-Amon: Do you realize that actually there is some OFFICIAL lore, since there is Dragons Dogma Online in Japan, wich clearly has LORE. Any Japan guy here? Though I must admit, in DD:DA story is kinda flawed
Dragon's Dogma is on-line anyway. And the fact there is another version does not mean there is any lore written down.

... the plot is boring and "It already was in Simpsons".
Heh! I kinda like your precise.
Hey, new to GOG, but been playing DDDA for a few months now (just bought it here, though, and the download just finished so I'll be playing after writing this)

I just want to ask, where is everyone getting the idea that the Arisen "breaks the cycle" after stabbing themselves with the Godsbane? The Arisen still ends up being the Senechal (whether in your own NG+ offline or on someone else's). My assumption was that stabing yourself is still part of the cycle. When Savan gives you his Godsbane, he pulls the sword out of his chest, meaning that he probably tried to off himself at one point. I'm thinking that a Senechal can only be killed by another Senechal wielding Godsbane.
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Aeridis: I'm thinking that a Senechal can only be killed by another Senechal wielding Godsbane.
how it works when you use the Godsbane on yourself or someone else is shown in Game... there are a few 'endings' but some of them don't really end things
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Aeridis: I'm thinking that a Senechal can only be killed by another Senechal wielding Godsbane.
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ussnorway: how it works when you use the Godsbane on yourself or someone else is shown in Game... there are a few 'endings' but some of them don't really end things
But what I'm asking is why do people think stabbing yourself ends the cycle? Your character still remains as Senechal until a new Arisen kills them with the Godsbane.
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ussnorway: how it works when you use the Godsbane on yourself or someone else is shown in Game... there are a few 'endings' but some of them don't really end things
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Aeridis: But what I'm asking is why do people think stabbing yourself ends the cycle? Your character still remains as Senechal until a new Arisen kills them with the Godsbane.
Cuz after act of suicide you've shown the end scene where you fall from the sky with ur beloved pawn. Thats why, so Senechal throne became vacant