That is factually incorrect. There was no intent to deceive anyone. The GOG page might not have been clear about multiplayer, but throughout the D:OS kickstarter, etc, Larian was clear that the online multiplayer function would use Steamworks.

The first example I found, from the Reddit AMA; You can argue incompetence, if you are so inclined, but not malice.

it is plain insulting how Larian chooses to react to customers that were obviously and deliberately fooled. Even if there were doubts about their intent at start and i hoped for the best it is made obvious by how Larian reacts now. Just to make THAT CLEAR it was NOT the GOG page that wasnt clear in the first place! GOG is the one helping us and even giving us refunds even though it hurts them in the process.
the Larian page itself still says "GOG, Steam, Vault etc... No differences" for gods sake.

Larian was NOT clear about it and it was NEVER said by Larian that gog,vault versions have NO lobby/browser/substitute. This would have been the developers job!
in retrospect one can also argue mischievous deception on grounds that for example the multiplayer demo/beta wasnt made available outside of steam including the Larians own shop even!

how you can say that they were clear about it at the same time as your posting in a thread that whole reason is that you were unclear is puzzling to me. This is the most used thread on the whole divinity series page and between here and the review section there are enough posts to fill a paper basket (which Larian obviously does) with people that expected a lobby because of Larians previous statements!

I, personally, with no direction from or approval by Larian, refuted a statement that Larian deliberately lied by using a logical argument.

How exactly is that an insult or mistreatment?

I have not tried to claim Larian was always clear, or that anyone who got the wrong impression were at fault.

Why is it that you can use actual insults, but a reasoned response somehow is insulting?


The 'no differences' was in response to questions of compatibility between versions, not the specific implementation of multiplayer, and even in the unclear original post, it did say that DRM free versions would not use Steamworks.


The explanation of the multiplayer for DRM free versions and the original 'no differences' topic was unclear. Larian still explicitly stated elsewhere the multiplayer lobby would use Steamworks. They initially said there would be a non-Steamworks method for online multiplayer for the DRM free versions, and later specified it would be a direct IP connection.

Larian absolutely did not communicate that well, or explicitly state that everywhere that they should have.
The point I was trying to make, which is apparently some kind of mistreatment, was that Larian was not trying to deliberately deceive anyone.

yes mister no affiliation with Larian.. or should i say raze@larian.com
Global Moderator of official Larian Forums and Larian Advertiser since 2003. :D
and thats just what google turned up in 1 min.
(for example here: http://www.larian.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showmembers )
i could write all my points and facts again, or what any of the other dozens fooled customers wrote... but then again, maybe this sums it up for you.
treating your customers like they are dumb and not worth a single honest sentence. that is what is insulting and while we are at it wrong with the modern gaming industry overall.
maybe you actually think that you are helping the situation which Larian created themselves but instead you crush the last hope that Larian actually is a "ok" studio that just made a mistake. by posting your own opinion of how their vaguely written advertisements could be interpreted in your own opinion. and you dont give facts, you write your opinion and proof it by your opinion. which is by the way contradicting to what the customers experienced themselves.
your not helping anyone, your hurting everyone. Larian and the fooled customers that instead of help or at least a temporary official forum to form a matchup (which you could yourself make with your mod rights on the official forums) get teached by you about how they should have interpreted something in your opinion. contrary to what dozens others think.
you say "GOG, Steam, Vault etc... No differences" means that there is no gog lobby.
i say... w0000t!?

Larians faults left a bitter taste to begin with. Your and Larians overall behaviour now leaves disgust when hearing Larian.
Farewell, have fun

"The 'no differences' was in response to questions of compatibility between versions, not the specific implementation of multiplayer, and even in the unclear original post, it did say that DRM free versions would not use Steamworks."


SteamWorks features usually mean "inviting your friends in a game directly through Steam", "Steam Cloud Save support", "achievements", "game overlay UI" and "steam community guides".

It does NOT mean that 'You can't play the game against random people over the internet without portforwarding and direct IP connection DESPITE PAYING FULL PRICE."

You attributed my statements to be Larian's official reaction. I specified that these are my personal opinions, not those of Larian, and Larian had no input or influence on them.

Nowhere did I state, or try to imply, that I did not work for Larian.

I was hired by Larian at the beginning of last year. I joined the original Larian forum just after the release of Divine Divinity in 2002; the 2003 date is when the Larian forum software was updated.


Actually, I have given facts, they've just been ignored.


I can not create new forums. What's wrong with using the existing beta subforum for matchmaking?


I did not ever argue that, or anything close to that.


Because I said Larian did not deliberately try to deceive anyone?


Larian should have been clear about what they meant by Steamworks in the 'no differences' topic from the start. I have not claimed it was unreasonable that anyone assume there would be a lobby with the DRM free version of the game, or that people should have followed the D:OS kickstarter, etc, where more details were given about how multiplayer worked.

I recommend you running sys internals and run registry monitor ~> You'll see on your own how I need medical attention... Cry moar :)

So you're response that they weren't deceptive is some post on some outside site rather than the their stickied posts their own official forums? Lies that they changed after the fact that were posted to their own site. Bad idea trying to go to unofficial offsite forums when their own official forums had the deceptive lies posted; lies that they AFTER they were caught modified to show the real situation. After they had already ripped people off and sold inferior broken incomplete products. Nothing but deceptive slime tactics. The biggest post stickied to the top of every Dragon Commander forum and subforum on the official site contained the blatant lies about no significant differences that then needed "clarification". A complete lack of a usable multiplayer matchmaking system is a significant difference. Please show me some statements that counter the deception they did that is, was, and have been posted for as long and stickied as much as their lies and you might have a case. Such statements that also showed the real facts prior to any edits unlike the very stickied pack of lies at the top of every one of these official forums that got changed after the fact.

Funny, I pre-ordered Rise Of The Triad {has its own issues but that is another matter} at the exact same time and guess what I can play with Steam users just fine because that game came with with proper complete Multiplayer support. Larian LIED, plain pure and simple. They did so and then stickied the lies all over their forums in time to make sure pre-sales were quite high as their product got pushed across summer sales. Then after they were CAUGHT, AFTER THE GAME RELEASED they went back and admitted the truth, changing the stickied post at that time.


The post on their forums is still titled with the partial lie of "GOG, Steam, Vault etc... No differences"!. Even though the content has been editted to show the significant and major difference of broken, essentially incomplete multiplayer across a fractured community.

The more you try and defend this deceptive slimeball tactic the worse you make yourself and Larian look.

You want to make things right, Larian needs to turn their butts around and make good on this, and quickly.


FWIW, telling your customers you misinterpreted our intentional unclear and deceitful postings about no difference is not how to go about making things right.

If you were that worried about being spied on. you wouldn't be on the internet. Wake up , and stop trying to tell us what choices we should and should not make. You are making yourself to look like nothing but an ass.

No one is crying here , and especially about your opinions. I literally have no idea where "cry moar" is a relative response.

You can not claim anything on Larian's site doesn't matter because they can change it, while also claiming that anything on a different site doesn't matter because it is not on Larian's site.

My point was that Larian being unclear in the stickied topic you keep referring to was not a deliberate attempt to mislead people.

Logically, if Larian was deliberately lying in one place, would they tell the truth everywhere else, knowing that there was a great deal of overlap? Would they tweet and make a kickstarter update to advertise a Q&A session where they specifically state that online multiplayer uses Steamworks and the DRM free version uses a direct connection if they were trying to deceive anyone about that? There were people on GOG who knew that the online multiplayer for Dragon Commander would use Steamworks.

What happened was that Larian posted about concerns the DRM free versions would not be able to play with the Steam version, specified that they would able to but obviously not using Steamworks, but did not continue and explicitly list what Steamworks was being used for, or go into details of multiplayer for the DRM free versions (in part because that was not finalized at the time).


It was stated the online multiplayer was Steamworks before the stickied topic was made. That and GOG's original statement on multiplayer is what triggered the concern that the versions might not be compatible, which is why the topic was made in the first place.

You have missed the point - and you do not get internet at all. Your response is so disgraceful it makes me sick to read it. You have no idea what internet is and what its purpose was before facebook and commercialization occurred. You should get your facts straight you damn kids. You should fight for your rights. IF You agree on such you do not deserve peace or freedom. You live in a virtualization of what is made for you to buy and think.

For Me, I consider the matter settled. Settled not by Larian but instead by GOG. GOG has a great team and great people over there. GOG will of course get more of my business. Larian can expect nothing but the glowing praises their actions have burned as images into my mind for them.

Yep, you still need some doctor to help you and whole load of medicine.
Dizzyegg05, let's just leave our friend from USA in his own world full of wonders. Let us not feed the troll (although I just did, guilty as charged).

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