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Posted August 07, 2014
I recently completed Divine Divinity and Beyond Divinity.
Now i decided to give Divinity 2 a try.

However, i have a problem which is somewhat ruining the experience for me.
According to FRAPS, the game runs steady 60fps, however when i turn around, the game looks and feels very choppy.

So, the turning doesn't go smoothly, but has kind of lag.

I tried with three different mice + with xbox360 controller (using xpadder), didn't help.
I tried a different display, didn't help.

My PC shouldn't be the problem (i7 3770k @ 4,5ghz, 2xGTX680 SLI, 16Gb 1600mhz DDR3).

I tried forcing vsync via nvidia inspector,that didn't help either.

I tried to lower settings to the minimum, didn't help either.

I am running out of ideas, does anyone have a fix or idea what to try with it?
Posted August 07, 2014
- Try running it as administrator.
- Try disabling sli from your nvidia control panel.
- Try updating directx and/or video card drivers, if the above fails. (be careful though)
Posted August 07, 2014
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Vythonaut: - Try running it as administrator.
- Try disabling sli from your nvidia control panel.
- Try updating directx and/or video card drivers, if the above fails. (be careful though)
It is already set to run as administrator by default.
Tried with SLI disabled earlier, no difference.
I manually installed DX9 package and my video card drivers are always up to date, so no help there either.

Thanks for the ideas anyway!
Posted August 07, 2014
I got it a bit better, still not perfect though.

I disabled a few settings from in game graphics options:
-AA
-Vsync
-Framerate limiter

Then i did changes via nvidia inspector / nvidia control panel
SLI AA 16x + AA transparency multisample (so, second card is only handling AA, first card handles everything else)
Maximum pre-rendered frames = 1
Vsync on + framerate limiter at 58fps.

It is now playable, although i can still detect the choppy camera movements easily.
I watched a few youtube gameplay videos and the same choppy camera was visible in those too, so maybe there is nothing to be done with it.

I can admit that i am over sensitive about issues like lag, choppy camera etc, so maybe it is not as big problem for other people :)

I will still play it though, i guess i get used to the camera being what it is, when i play some more.

Still, if anyone has ideas that i haven't tried yet, i am more than willing to hear about them and try them out.
Post edited August 07, 2014 by MTM1977
Posted August 07, 2014
Just to clarify this - you *only* see a lag when turning, not when moving or using abilities? And by lag do you mean a small delay between mouse-click and game response - or do you mean a stuttering display typical of low framerates?

If turning only shows a problem, then check memory usage (both system memory, with Task Manager and GPU memory using a utility like MSI Afterburner). If you're short of either, then any action involving loading new data (and turning could result in lots of new textures being loaded) may result in disk swapping which could explain an apparent delay.

Divinity 2 isn't particularly demanding by modern standards though (and a 680GTX shouldn't have any issues whatsoever - Div 2 should only use around 500MB out of 2GB VRAM) so if you do have any memory issues, it will likely be other software using excess RAM in the background.

Another possibility is security software - more advanced programs can control (and block) the setting of keyboard/mouse hooks. Doing this for Div 2 (and many other games) can seriously limit their performance or make them unresponsive to user input.
Posted August 17, 2014
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AstralWanderer: Just to clarify this - you *only* see a lag when turning, not when moving or using abilities? And by lag do you mean a small delay between mouse-click and game response - or do you mean a stuttering display typical of low framerates?

If turning only shows a problem, then check memory usage (both system memory, with Task Manager and GPU memory using a utility like MSI Afterburner). If you're short of either, then any action involving loading new data (and turning could result in lots of new textures being loaded) may result in disk swapping which could explain an apparent delay.

Divinity 2 isn't particularly demanding by modern standards though (and a 680GTX shouldn't have any issues whatsoever - Div 2 should only use around 500MB out of 2GB VRAM) so if you do have any memory issues, it will likely be other software using excess RAM in the background.

Another possibility is security software - more advanced programs can control (and block) the setting of keyboard/mouse hooks. Doing this for Div 2 (and many other games) can seriously limit their performance or make them unresponsive to user input.
You described the problem nicely with this comment:
or do you mean a stuttering display typical of low framerates?

Only that framerate is constant 60fps...
My GTX 680 cards are 4Gb versions, so i have 4Gb of VRAM and system RAM amount is 16Gb, so i find it hard to believe it would be memory related.

I have managed to get used to it after putting more hours in, but still would be nice to get it fixed though :)

edit:
I am using Kaspersky Internet Security, it should be one of the most lightest one when it comes to background tasking...
Post edited August 17, 2014 by MTM1977
Posted August 18, 2014
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MTM1977: You described the problem nicely with this comment:
or do you mean a stuttering display typical of low framerates?
Only that framerate is constant 60fps...
If you're seeing low framerates but the GPU is reported as rendering at 60fps, that suggests a bottleneck elsewhere limiting your system's ability to send data to the GPU (i.e. they may be rendering at 60fps but repeating the same frame a couple of times).

In that situation, I would suggest checking CPU and disk utilisation, using utilities like Process Explorer or Process Hacker, both of which can offer more detail than Task Manager.

Things to check are that (a) if you have a multi-core CPU, that a few cores are being used (if everything is happening on just one core you may have an affinity problem) and (b) that you do not have heavy disk I/O from other processes (in most cases, a process using all available HDD/SSD bandwidth will slow down everything else).
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MTM1977: I am using Kaspersky Internet Security, it should be one of the most lightest one when it comes to background tasking...
If you've not already tried this, disconnect your PC from the Internet and disable Kaspersky, to see if that makes any difference.
Post edited August 18, 2014 by AstralWanderer
Posted August 18, 2014
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MTM1977: You described the problem nicely with this comment:
or do you mean a stuttering display typical of low framerates?
Only that framerate is constant 60fps...
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AstralWanderer: If you're seeing low framerates but the GPU is reported as rendering at 60fps, that suggests a bottleneck elsewhere limiting your system's ability to send data to the GPU (i.e. they may be rendering at 60fps but repeating the same frame a couple of times).

In that situation, I would suggest checking CPU and disk utilisation, using utilities like Process Explorer or Process Hacker, both of which can offer more detail than Task Manager.

Things to check are that (a) if you have a multi-core CPU, that a few cores are being used (if everything is happening on just one core you may have an affinity problem) and (b) that you do not have heavy disk I/O from other processes (in most cases, a process using all available HDD/SSD bandwidth will slow down everything else).
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MTM1977: I am using Kaspersky Internet Security, it should be one of the most lightest one when it comes to background tasking...
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AstralWanderer: If you've not already tried this, disconnect your PC from the Internet and disable Kaspersky, to see if that makes any difference.
Didn't have time to try without Kaspersky yet, but i will try later.
Meanwhile, this is how my system currently performs:
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/2612613

So there shouldn't be any major bottlenecks.
I have tried to put CPU affinity to just one core, but that didn't help. It works best when i use the "lockstep mode".

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I tried with Kaspersky disabled, didn't have any effect.
Post edited August 18, 2014 by MTM1977
Posted August 20, 2014
I got it a bit better again.
I disabled Intel Speedstep from UEFI, so now the rig runs at 4,5ghz constantly.
It seemed to make it a bit smoother.

Could be that for some reason the speedstep didn't work correctly with this game and at least at times it run the cpu at 1,6ghz.
Posted August 20, 2014
Thanks for the update - didn't think about Speedstep but a reduction to 1.6GHz certainly could have an impact.
Posted March 24, 2015
Sorry to bumb this old thread, but my game is finally running smoothly, so i thouht i'd update it.

I am still not sure what the problem was, but a lot has changed after the last post.

I sold my old gaming PC and recently built a new one.

This new one is running only one GPU (GTX 980) and the old had SLI configuration (2xGTX680), so that could be one reason.

Another big change is that my old display was 60hz display (IPS panel, so not ideal for gaming).
New one is 144hz with G-sync, so that could also be the reason.

CPU was also updated, old one had i7 3770k, this new one has i7 4790k. However, i don't think that affects it... could be of course, but i would guess that the single gpu vs SLI or the different display is the key here.

Anyway, i started the game again, i have played for several hours already and it has been running butter smooth with everything maxed out. So, what ever was the cause, is gone now and i can fully enjoy the game :)
Posted March 24, 2015
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MTM1977: Anyway, i started the game again, i have played for several hours already and it has been running butter smooth with everything maxed out. So, what ever was the cause, is gone now and i can fully enjoy the game :)
Great! I'm glad it's working for you now.

I have a seven year old tower running XP that I use for gaming (I like mostly older games), and D2DC always ran great for me. The graphics were so smooth it actually surprised me. I could even alt-tab in and out whenever I wanted with no problems or slowdowns. I mention that only to show that whatever glitch you were having is not normal.

I must say, I really really enjoyed this game, and I don't usually like "action" cRPGs that much. I hope you have fun with it.
Posted March 25, 2015
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MTM1977: Anyway, i started the game again, i have played for several hours already and it has been running butter smooth with everything maxed out. So, what ever was the cause, is gone now and i can fully enjoy the game :)
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UniversalWolf: Great! I'm glad it's working for you now.

I have a seven year old tower running XP that I use for gaming (I like mostly older games), and D2DC always ran great for me. The graphics were so smooth it actually surprised me. I could even alt-tab in and out whenever I wanted with no problems or slowdowns. I mention that only to show that whatever glitch you were having is not normal.

I must say, I really really enjoyed this game, and I don't usually like "action" cRPGs that much. I hope you have fun with it.
It was a weird problem, no doubt about that. The previous PC i had, shouldn't have had any problems with the game, but for some reason it just didn't work.

In my previous post i made the guess that it was either SLI or the display.
Now that i think about it, i did try it without SLI, but that didn't help.
So, my guess now is that it just didn't "play along well" with the IPS panel.

The "choppines" was something that i have not seen in other games. According to fraps it was running stable 60fps, but it didn't look smooth like it should have.

Now i am using this display:
http://www.displaylag.com/benq-xl2420g-144hz-g-sync-gaming-monitor-review/

This time i disabled the frame limiter from the Div2 settings and it runs like it should. FPS is constantly between 130-144 and no "choppines" is visible :)

After i have completed this, it is time for Original Sin. Already have a friend for co-op, so it should be fun :)
Posted March 25, 2015
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MTM1977: After i have completed this, it is time for Original Sin. Already have a friend for co-op, so it should be fun :)
Sounds good!

D2DC is the only Larian game I own, but I liked it enough that I plan on getting the others at some point.
Posted March 26, 2015
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MTM1977: After i have completed this, it is time for Original Sin. Already have a friend for co-op, so it should be fun :)
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UniversalWolf: Sounds good!

D2DC is the only Larian game I own, but I liked it enough that I plan on getting the others at some point.
I completed Divine Divinity last summer, it was a lot of fun. A great game in my opinion.
After that i completed Beyond Divinity. It wasn't as good as DivDiv, but it was still an ok game.
So, now i am working my way through the series, i started this Div2 already last autumn, but due to selling my PC i never finished it. Luckily i didn't get too far in it at that time, so i am already at the same point in my new game.

In hindsight, selling my PC at that time was stupid. I just didn't have any time to play and a friend needed a new gaming PC so i sold mine... Well, the good thing is that now i have a better PC, so it turned out ok i think :)
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