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Deus Ex: Mankind DividedIs this game really so badly optimized?(18 posts)(18 posts)
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Posted May 03, 2020
I'm sorry for the negative title, but I spent the last two hours looking up and down the internet for fixes...

This is a rig which can play modern titles very satisfactory at 4K, including 2019's SOTTR, Metro Exodus, Rage 2 as well as Far Cry Primal and other shooters newer than DXMD...

Machine includes a 2080 Super, i7-8700K, 16G RAM, loading from an NVRAM M2 SSD. No drama with any of those demanding, modern titles. I'm highlighting that to indicate that nothing about my basic windows config, drivers or hardware is set up badly, or otherwise misbehaving.

And yet, in this 2016 release, I have horrible frame time stutter ("Microstutter") even at 50 FPS, and in Praque where I just arrived, I have mini-hangs whenever I have moved a bit of distance (even inside the initial apartment), while the game seems to load something?

Opening the menu can also hang the game for a few considerable seconds. It's these hangs, more than anything else, makes me wish to delete it. For 4.50EUR I won't return it, but damned... this is a monster machine barely two years old, with a graphics card so much newer than anything available when this game was made. It shouldn't have issues with a three year old DX11 or DX12 graphics engine. On top of which it doesn't even look that brilliant.

Tried playing around with various fullscreen/windowed/vsync/alias settings, but no luck. I don't suppose there's some "magic fixes" around they forgot to include in this release?

There seems to be some real meat to this gameplay (I've never had a Deus Ex game before, so it's all new to me), but it's a true pain to enjoy with those technical downsides.
Post edited May 03, 2020 by RSColonel_131st
Posted May 03, 2020
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RSColonel_131st: I'm sorry for the negative title, but I spent the last two hours looking up and down the internet for fixes...

This is a rig which can play modern titles very satisfactory at 4K, including 2019's SOTTR, Metro Exodus, Rage 2 as well as Far Cry Primal and other shooters newer than DXMD...

Machine includes a 2080 Super, i7-8700K, 16G RAM, loading from an NVRAM M2 SSD. No drama with any of those demanding, modern titles. I'm highlighting that to indicate that nothing about my basic windows config, drivers or hardware is set up badly, or otherwise misbehaving.

And yet, in this 2016 release, I have horrible frame time stutter ("Microstutter") even at 50 FPS, and in Praque where I just arrived, I have mini-hangs whenever I have moved a bit of distance (even inside the initial apartment), while the game seems to load something?

Opening the menu can also hang the game for a few considerable seconds. It's these hangs, more than anything else, makes me wish to delete it. For 4.50EUR I won't return it, but damned... this is a monster machine barely two years old, with a graphics card so much newer than anything available when this game was made. It shouldn't have issues with a three year old DX11 or DX12 graphics engine. On top of which it doesn't even look that brilliant.

Tried playing around with various fullscreen/windowed/vsync/alias settings, but no luck. I don't suppose there's some "magic fixes" around they forgot to include in this release?

There seems to be some real meat to this gameplay (I've never had a Deus Ex game before, so it's all new to me), but it's a true pain to enjoy with those technical downsides.
Have you tried defragging the hard drive some defrag programs let you defrag the game folder seriously you need to!
Posted May 03, 2020
Defragging a SSD?
Posted May 03, 2020
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RSColonel_131st: Defragging a SSD?
You do have the game on a different HDD, Do you not?

If not you can still "Trim" your SSD using this

How to Enable or Disable TRIM on SSD in Windows 10
You can check and manage the TRIM function on your SSD with the help of Command Prompt or a third-party tool. Via Command Prompt, you need to enter the proper TRIM commands to check, enable or disable TRIM. While with the third-party software to be introduced, you can see directly whether TRIM is on from the software interface and enable or disable TRIM by toggling the button. Choose the way you prefer to apply.

Method 1. Manage TRIM on SSD via Command Prompt
If you are not sure about whether TRIM is in use, you can check if TRIM is enabled first.

To check if TRIM is on:
Step 1. Click the "Start" button on your computer and type cmd.

Step 2. Right-click "Command Prompt" and choose "Run as administrator".

Step 3. Enter the following command:

copy the next line!

fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify

If the query result is DisableDeleteNotify = 0, the TRIM support is enabled on your SSD. If the output is DisableDeleteNotify = 1, TRIM is disabled currently on your device.
Post edited May 03, 2020 by fr33kSh0w2012
Posted May 03, 2020
Hi,

No, all my games run from SSD. Win10 is on one 970Evo, and this game runs from another 970Evo, the same where for example Metro Exodus or Mass Effects Andromeda run from. Newer Games that look even better, and run even faster, with no load time hangups.

There's a third, a bit older SSD running other games from.

Win10 is aware of the SSDs, and Trim is enabled. Also, as you are certainly aware, Trim relates to write speed, not read speed.

Again, as I posted in my initial topic, this is an absolute PC hotrod built less than two years ago by a custom performance workshop (a friend of mine), the GFX card is less than one year old. I work in IT daily, and both my builder and I know how to set up a blazing fast gaming PC, which works with all other titles, even much newer ones.

What is it about this game that needs to be configured, that's my major question. I do not think trying to find basic setup problems with my machine is going to get us anywhere.

Sorry if that came across as snappy or ungrateful, but part of me really just don't get why this game has a million Google search results on "hangs on menu opening" and "microstutter" stuff, but it was obviously never really fixed:
Post edited May 03, 2020 by RSColonel_131st
Posted May 03, 2020
This game is famous for it's bad optimization, to the point the developer themselves do not recommends using DX12 or setting the game graphical settings to anything more then high, on some system even lowering MSAA settings do not improve game performance, it's the reason why all advanced graphical settings are disabled by default
Posted May 04, 2020
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RSColonel_131st: I'm sorry for the negative title, but I spent the last two hours looking up and down the internet for fixes...

This is a rig which can play modern titles very satisfactory at 4K, including 2019's SOTTR, Metro Exodus, Rage 2 as well as Far Cry Primal and other shooters newer than DXMD...

Machine includes a 2080 Super, i7-8700K, 16G RAM, loading from an NVRAM M2 SSD. No drama with any of those demanding, modern titles. I'm highlighting that to indicate that nothing about my basic windows config, drivers or hardware is set up badly, or otherwise misbehaving.

And yet, in this 2016 release, I have horrible frame time stutter ("Microstutter") even at 50 FPS, and in Praque where I just arrived, I have mini-hangs whenever I have moved a bit of distance (even inside the initial apartment), while the game seems to load something?

Opening the menu can also hang the game for a few considerable seconds. It's these hangs, more than anything else, makes me wish to delete it. For 4.50EUR I won't return it, but damned... this is a monster machine barely two years old, with a graphics card so much newer than anything available when this game was made. It shouldn't have issues with a three year old DX11 or DX12 graphics engine. On top of which it doesn't even look that brilliant.

Tried playing around with various fullscreen/windowed/vsync/alias settings, but no luck. I don't suppose there's some "magic fixes" around they forgot to include in this release?

There seems to be some real meat to this gameplay (I've never had a Deus Ex game before, so it's all new to me), but it's a true pain to enjoy with those technical downsides.
I don't have a solution for you, but a clarification.
I beat this game when it came out on Steam. Even being able to run it well, it was not very well optimized at that time and my fps were not the best, long loading times and so on.
My computer is by no mean so good as yours, but definitly more or less equal that the recommend specs for the game.
I'm playing the GoG version now with the same pc (without any change), and the game run infinitely better, it run perfectly. Having a much better experience now.
So, maybe it's something specific with your pc. Maybe because your hardware is way ahead than what was required then, something does not work properly. Like when you cannot play new generation games in the prior console (it doesn't really work like that in this case you know, just a quick example for clarify what i'm saying).
I'm sorry for not being able to help you, but perhaps knowing that the game works even better than years ago, you can focus and find where the problem is.
Posted May 04, 2020
Thanks, it's interesting to hear that it is an improvement over the original release.

Still, decided to uninstall it today. While it showed less hanging problems today walking trough Prague compared to yesterday, it had too much other stuff that just doesn't feel right for me personally (mostly I dislike the lighting engine/apperance and NPC faces up close).

Shame somehow, but I guess I'll have to wait for Cyberpunk 2077 to explore such a game setting...

Thanks all for helping out.
Posted May 04, 2020
I am actually requesting a refund because enough is enough, but for me, the game would not load the introduction mission until I limited the amount of CPU accessible by the game.

To do that, I had set the affinity in the Task manager (didn't even know it was a thing), to halve the number of core the game can use. And then, magic, it loaded.

My other beef is the absence of support for HID compliant controller (only xbox, really?) which means I had to use a software like x360ce to alleviate that. Still not as ridiculous as "oh noo, your CPU has too many cores!")
Posted May 04, 2020
Hmm, might this game indeed be confused by modern hardware?

Not something I usually expect on GOG....
Posted May 06, 2020
Are you running it using DX11 or 12? On my pc the DX12 version ran badly (like you are describing), but DX11 runs fine: 60+ fps @1440p high/max settings on a 1080ti.
Posted May 07, 2020
Very poorly optimized, or something else is going on.

I exceed all the recommended specs, and I'm getting display driver crashes, and overall terrible performance.
Posted May 16, 2020
The game ran badly back then and it still does. Now it won't even start with dx12 and I only upgraded to an I9 processor and 32gb ram since then. The devs really said that the game wasn't build and meant for the hardware back then, guess they wanted to live in the future
Posted May 21, 2020
can t complain at all, when it comes to the performance, constantly over 60+ FPS here.
Only use a GTX980 here, however it is buggy

System is a Ryzen 7 3700X, 16Gb RAM 3600 CL16, GTX980 and heavy adminstrated Win 10
Posted September 08, 2020
This game has high VRAM usage, if you ramp up graphics options to the max, 8 GB will not be enough.
I'd recommend sticking to DX 11, lower options from ultra to very high or high (especially textures and shadows), disable Contact Hardening Shadows and set MSAA to 4x or 2x. If you play in 4K you may need to lower some options further.
For me the game runs without any stutter / hitching at 1080p 120 Hz with a RTX 2070 Super, R 9 3900X and 32 GB RAM. I do notice that this game will actually use 8 cores, so if you have fewer cores that might also impact performance.
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