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Posted April 28, 2011
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karx11erx: You reaction is completely exaggerated. I didn't call you any of what you are claiming. Don't call me hostile because you don't like being told that you have made a mistake. You did not "just relay what you saw". You added some pretty hefty interpretation. Please don't to try and talk yourself out of it when an apology would have been appropriate.

Your link is already broken because I have published a software update last night. Don't worry though, people have managed to find the most recent download so far.

Btw, there is absolutely no point of quoting an entire post right above a reply to it in the response.
You're not listening to reason. Like I SAID, I had no intention of paint a picture that you're deceiving people. I relayed what I FOUND. You want the link I was at, HERE:

I started here:
http://www.descent2.de/d2x.html#downloads

Clicked on THIS link (http://www.descent2.de/files/d2x-xl-win-1.15.189.exe) which for some reason kept taking me back to HERE! http://www.descent2.de/donations.html

Maybe it was a fluke. I don't know.
Maybe I just suck at the internet. Lord knows I have to have others go to http://lmgtfy.com/ in order to find things for me, because it doesn't even matter that I type in the same god damned thing, THEM clicking on it for some reason works where my search strings (exact same search strings) do NOT.

Be that as it is, I will say--AGAIN, I had no intention of INSULTING you, no intention of ACCUSING you, and no intention of any HOSTILITY. So PLEASE just back up, take a deep breath, and take what I said at face value. It is what I was getting on your page. I would not have said it if I hadn't already tried multiple times to get it. I mean, it's not like it was the first time I'd ever been to your page, nor the first time I'd ever downloaded D2X-XL, and if you want something ironic, you and I played together two years ago or so, so it's not like I don't already know YOU.

If you want an apology, then you have it! I'm sorry for making accusatory statements! It was not the INTENT!
Posted April 28, 2011
You are the one not listening to reason. You didn't find something, started to make wild assumptions and rant about it here, instead of going to the right place and kindly ask for help there. You also didn't perform the slightest effort to find what you are looking for. I have explained that in length already, and I am not the only one seeing it that way. I never assumed you did that on purpose, but you did it. For some reason you just seem not to see where you failed in that.

When I click on that link, a download is offered to me.

Your description at least finally sheds some light on the issue. What has probably happened is that the download wasn't available when you first tried it (maybe because I was still in the process of uploading it, or maybe due to some connectivity problem). Now if you try to access a file on my site that isn't available you get redirected to the downloads page (not the donations page!) in an attempt to help you in finding what you are looking for. That's what it does at least for me. Apparently some page with an invalid link is still in your browser's cache. So please clear your browser cache and reattempt the download, or for for heaven's sake get the file from Sourceforge if the built-in auto-updater of D2X-XL doesn't work. Having some old stuff in the browser cache is a pretty common problem, so if you have problems finding stuff on the inet in the future you may want to try and clear it, and then reattempt your search.


Future_pilot,

we're not jumping down each other's throats. There's a litlte conflict going on, but nothing dramatic. The usual occasional bump in life. I am not mad at Halcyon - just pointing out where he went wrong and could have done better.

Did you try the latest versions of D2X-XL? It runs pretty well even on integrated Intel graphics after my removing a single bottleneck in the D2X-XL code. I have tested it on such hardware and it worked great even with some effects enabled (colored light, light maps, some smoke ...). If you need help with it, just ask in my forum.
Post edited April 28, 2011 by karx11erx
Posted April 28, 2011
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karx11erx: You are the one not listening to reason. You didn't find something, started to make wild assumptions and rant about it here, instead of going to the right place and kindly ask for help there. You also didn't perform the slightest effort to find what you are looking for. I have explained that in length already, and I am not the only one seeing it that way. I never assumed you did that on purpose, but you did it. For some reason you just seem not to see where you failed in that.

When I click on that link, a download is offered to me.

Your description at least finally sheds some light on the issue. What has probably happened is that the download wasn't available when you first tried it (maybe because I was still in the process of uploading it, or maybe due to some connectivity problem). Now if you try to access a file on my site that isn't available you get redirected to the downloads page (not the donations page!) in an attempt to help you in finding what you are looking for. That's what it does at least for me. Apparently some page with an invalid link is still in your browser's cache. So please clear your browser cache and reattempt the download, or for for heaven's sake get the file from Sourceforge if the built-in auto-updater of D2X-XL doesn't work. Having some old stuff in the browser cache is a pretty common problem, so if you have problems finding stuff on the inet in the future you may want to try and clear it, and then reattempt your search.


Future_pilot,

we're not jumping down each other's throats. There's a litlte conflict going on, but nothing dramatic. The usual occasional bump in life. I am not mad at Halcyon - just pointing out where he went wrong and could have done better.

Did you try the latest versions of D2X-XL? It runs pretty well even on integrated Intel graphics after my removing a single bottleneck in the D2X-XL code. I have tested it on such hardware and it worked great even with some effects enabled (colored light, light maps, some smoke ...). If you need help with it, just ask in my forum.
Would you at least accept my apology?

Clearly your explanation of what happened IS what happened and I had no way of knowing that perhaps--!--the download was simply not available at the time and took me to the donate page.

What happened to me is what happened to me and I saw your name, recognized your name, saw that you were on here recently, and made a point that IF there was indeed an issue with your website page that perhaps it needs fixed, and for the reasons I stated ("possible legalish issues") a good reason TO take care of it. I was not saying "why are you trying to steal from me?" or anything of the kind.

I ALSO would like to point out that I'm not mad at you EITHER, but you are really frustrating me by repeating my 'transgression' against you as if it was with malicious intent.

In the mean time, I'm not sure if its just a digit problem, but I downloaded .189 and the game is telling me I have .188 installed immediately after I the installed .189 download.

Ok--Apparently when you run "update" from inside the game it only goes one update at a time. I ran it again ingame and now have .189.
Post edited April 28, 2011 by HalcyonLeuthcorp
Posted April 28, 2011
I had failed to update the version number, but I had fixed that about 2 hours ago and uploaded that, so your comment is strangely out of sync.

The updater always directly installs the latest version - other versions aren't available anymore, as I delete them from SF.net and my web server.
Post edited April 28, 2011 by karx11erx
Posted April 28, 2011
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karx11erx: I had failed to update the version number, but I had fixed that about 2 hours ago and uploaded that, so your comment is strangely out of sync.

The updater always directly installs the latest version - other versions aren't available anymore, as I delete them from SF.net and my web server.
Then I guess I did it literally right before you updated. See what I mean about my internet talent? I only know how to download and browse fail.
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karx11erx: I had failed to update the version number, but I had fixed that about 2 hours ago and uploaded that, so your comment is strangely out of sync.

The updater always directly installs the latest version - other versions aren't available anymore, as I delete them from SF.net and my web server.
Also, I'm the guy you're helping on sourceforge with the framerate issue. I'm getting an XRSF attempt detected when trying to reply to you.

Rebirth runs without issue, and I've updated every driver I've found that isn't already up to date.
Post edited April 28, 2011 by HalcyonLeuthcorp
Posted April 28, 2011
What is an "XRSF attempt"?
Posted April 28, 2011
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karx11erx: What is an "XRSF attempt"?
No idea.
I had to log out and log in three times to finally respond on sourceforge.

By the way, if you have AIM, I'm Leuthesius on there. Maybe direct interaction would better solve the problem?
Posted April 28, 2011
Sure - if you can squeeze your computer through the AIM connection over to my desktop ...
Posted April 28, 2011
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karx11erx: Sure - if you can squeeze your computer through the AIM connection over to my desktop ...
Not what I meant. You helped me out two years ago over aim with no qualms. Why are you being so difficult?
Posted April 29, 2011
Go get Rebirth and be happy.
Post edited April 29, 2011 by karx11erx
Posted April 29, 2011
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karx11erx: Go get Rebirth and be happy.
Nice.

So you yell at me.

Claim I'm insulting you.

Refuse to help on sourceforge once I tell you that I'm the one you're helping there.

Say you're not mad at me but take actions that suggest otherwise.

Claim that I'm insulting your work when I'm doing nothing of the sort.

Delete my thread on your forum so that nobody ELSE can help me.

Claim that I'm insulting you because I "dare" to compare XL to Rebirth, which you call "Stillbirth".

Despite me backpedaling and apologizing for what you thought to be an insult when it was nothing but concern, you then you ban me from your forums.

You sir, are a piece of work.

You sir, are part of the reason the Descent 2 Community has been slowly dying.

You are just a jerk.




On a side note, I want to point out that the people who create mods have a huge impact on which one is better.
Posted April 29, 2011
Where have I been yelling at you? You aren't even ashamed to resort to plain lies. Ironically, you are also the one who is posting insults. I never had to resort to that.

It is typical for people like you that they do not have the slightest insight in their own contribution to problems they have, but always try to blame others, and have to hurl crap at their presumed scapegoat at every possible occasion.

You have received lenghty explanations for all of your (technical) problems, their potential causes and possible solutions from me, and chose to ignore all of it. Instead, despite of my best and polite efforts to calm you down, you keep jumping in my face with it.

This is the third time now that I am telling you that I need some hardware like yours to find out about your issue, and all your childish hissy fits and stomping the foot on the ground won't change that. So you need to be patient and wait until I have that opportunity - and use Rebirth for the time being if you so direly want to play Descent.

Your refusal to accept that is a clear indicator for me that the real problem lies somewhere else. I believe that you are the kind of self-centered and demanding primadonna that just cannot be satisfied, and all the time and effort I have spent on you were therefore a waste of time.

People like you always show their real nature in the end. You have turned out to be a source of grief for me, and that's the last thing I need. Rest assured that whoever will come across this thread will leave it without a doubt who is the problem here.
Post edited April 29, 2011 by karx11erx
Posted April 29, 2011
What am I lying about?

Lets see:

The part where you stopped helping me after I told you who I was on sourceforge?

No wait, you did.

The part where you deleted my post on your forums seeking further help from your community?

No wait, you did that too.

The part where you took me comparing Rebirth to XL and claiming it "angry and hostile?"

No wait, you did that too!

Or how about banning my user ID from your forums after the fact?

Still no lies here boyo, because you did that as well.

As far as self-centered and demanding primadonna that cannot be satisfied, look at yourself in the mirror. Even after lengthy explanations and even apologies from your misunderstandings of my words, you have simply refused to accept any form of apology and continue to believe that I am out to get you.

You have no idea how to take constructive criticism because apparently D2X-XL is your life, and anyone who doesn't agree with something that you believe in is simply a nuisance to be gotten rid of.

And for sources of grief, hop in my shoes. What started as a concerned post turned into you banning me for requesting help. If it wasn't a donation I handed you a couple years ago, I'd demand my money back.

People like you have a tendency to shove their own personal doubts, inconsistencies, and emotions onto others.

You are frigging ridiculous, you lack simple understanding, you lack the capacity to look at something as constructive, or look at something as concern. Everything to you--EVERYTHING!--is a personal attack on you. It is ridiculous. YOU are ridiculous.
Post edited April 29, 2011 by HalcyonLeuthcorp
Posted April 29, 2011
Alright seriously guys. Stop. If you've got a problem with each other use email. I'm sure there's "contact me" link on karx's website. This whole thread has become entirely derailed, and the exact thing is happening that I desperately wanted to avoid. So please. Just stop. Thanks!
Posted April 29, 2011
Where have I been yelling at you? You aren't even ashamed to resort to plain lies.
I haven't been yelling at you. That makes your statement a lie.

Couldn't you figure that, or didn't you want to?

I also couldn't find myself saying you were insulting me anywhere in my posts here.

What is wrong with you? Are you on drugs? Or just confused? Or what?

I am tired of this. Go figure why I banned you from my forum.
Post edited April 29, 2011 by karx11erx
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