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Posted January 03, 2021
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R_M_B: Shit post abut game whatever you want, call me whatever you want and you only waste your time and energy, because the game I wanted exist. And I'm close to 200h total playtime with 120 h on single character that is still not on finial mission.

And even more then that - it has all the chances to become better after some technical fixes during next 6 to 12 months. And after that it will have even better chances to become a baseline for whole lot of different games, either sold separately or integrated in one as side activities.
I’m truly delighted for you that CP76 (no typo) turned out to be the game of your dreams and more.

But those of us who took the literal words of CDPR’s promises, countless trailer billings and associated as ‘the next gen’ rpg’ aren’t as easily pleased, and feel the game was mis-sold in more ways than one.

Plus, I’m obviously ‘old school’ - paying £50 for a game now should get me an optimised, stable game now - not in 6-12 months time as you suggest. Self-entitled, I know.
Post edited January 03, 2021 by Omarios
Posted January 03, 2021
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Omarios: Why are you hell bent on bringing up FO76 with me on every thread?

I’ve never played FO76, nor will I ever.

I’m delighted though that my avatar of Todd Howard annoys you so much.
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R_M_B: I guess he was just making fun of the typo you made.

But anyway that was just a side point - my main point that i keep repeating around here in different form is that: the game I expected exist now.

Shit post abut game whatever you want, call me whatever you want and you only waste your time and energy, because the game I wanted exist. And I'm close to 200h total playtime with 120 h on single character that is still not on finial mission.

And even more then that - it has all the chances to become better after some technical fixes during next 6 to 12 months. And after that it will have even better chances to become a baseline for whole lot of different games, either sold separately or integrated in one as side activities.
Yeah GOTY 2022

At this point the Ai is so trash, It's along the lines of something predating San Andreas something like original Saints Row.
Posted January 03, 2021
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R_M_B: Shit post abut game whatever you want, call me whatever you want and you only waste your time and energy, because the game I wanted exist. And I'm close to 200h total playtime with 120 h on single character that is still not on finial mission.

And even more then that - it has all the chances to become better after some technical fixes during next 6 to 12 months. And after that it will have even better chances to become a baseline for whole lot of different games, either sold separately or integrated in one as side activities.
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Omarios: I’m truly delighted for you that CP76 (no typo) turned out to be the game of your dreams and more.

But those of us who took the literal words of CDPR’s promises, countless trailer billings and associated as ‘the next gen’ rpg’ aren’t as easily pleased, and feel the game was mis-sold in more ways than one.

Plus, I’m obviously ‘old school’ - paying £50 for a game now should get me an optimised, stable game now - not in 6-12 months time as you suggest. Self-entitled, I know.
I actual agree on both points:
- some people bought marketing and promises and are now disappointed
- yes, looks entitled as f..k

But whatever suits you - I wish you to get your refund and carry on.
Posted January 03, 2021
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R_M_B: I actual agree on both points:
- some people bought marketing and promises and are now disappointed
- yes, looks entitled as f..k

But whatever suits you - I wish you to get your refund and carry on.
Sorry, just wanted to be 100% clear:

Do you really think that paying £50 for a video game and expecting that game to be running stable and free of significant glitches is ‘entitled as f—k’?

Do you genuinely think that? I just wouldn’t want to misunderstand you here.
Posted January 03, 2021
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R_M_B: I actual agree on both points:
- some people bought marketing and promises and are now disappointed
- yes, looks entitled as f..k

But whatever suits you - I wish you to get your refund and carry on.
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Omarios: Sorry, just wanted to be 100% clear:

Do you really think that paying £50 for a video game and expecting that game to be running stable and free of significant glitches is ‘entitled as f—k’?

Do you genuinely think that? I just wouldn’t want to misunderstand you here.
That is the problem with 1 / 0 approach - it never works in real life. So let me say it that way:

Paying whatever amount for a product or service give you right of getting that. And if it does not work - either right to get it fixed and refunded. And that is exactly what CPDR is doing now (minus the holidays delays).

Now paying whatever amount for a promise of a service that is not yet completely defined and ready, that is at best risky behavior - it might be what you wanted but it may as well be totally different. And specially so in realm of computer games - we all know for decades now that until they are launched, you cant really know how will pay like.
For me it was 3DO and HoMM4 back in 2002 but there are hundreds of more recent and prominent examples of that situation.

And from this perspective it is entitlement-ish behavior. And it is not hard to imagine some more di.k headed company that would simply refuse the refunds.

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I concentrated on "game is different" aspect but it generally apply to "game have issues at launch". That is actually much more common and widespread in general software industry, not only games.
Post edited January 03, 2021 by R_M_B
Posted January 03, 2021
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Omarios: Sorry, just wanted to be 100% clear:

Do you really think that paying £50 for a video game and expecting that game to be running stable and free of significant glitches is ‘entitled as f—k’?

Do you genuinely think that? I just wouldn’t want to misunderstand you here.
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R_M_B: That is the problem with 1 / 0 approach - it never works in real life. So let me say it that way:

Paying whatever amount for a product or service give you right of getting that. And if it does not work - either right to get it fixed and refunded.

Now paying whatever amount for a promise of a service that is not yet completely defined and ready, that is at best risky behavior - it might be what you wanted but it may as well be totally different. And specially so in realm of computer games - we all know for decades now that until they are launched, you cant really know how will pay like.
For me it was 3DO and HoMM4 back in 2002 but there are hundreds of more recent and prominent examples of that situation.

And from this perspective it is entitlement-ish behavior. And it is not hard to imagine some more di.k headed company that would simply refuse the refunds.

P.S.
I concentrated on "game is different" aspect but it generally apply to "game have issues at launch". That is actually much more common and widespread in general software industry, not only games.
Not being argumentative but my question is much simpler than that.

A video game rrp £50 should surely be expected to run stable and optimised, no?

Promises, missing features, pre-orders etc are not what I am talking about.

I am simply asking whether paying ‘full price’ for a product and expecting it to function on advertised specs without breaking/glitching/crashing frequently is entitled - yes or no.
Posted January 03, 2021
Told you everything I had to say - for me it is not so obvious in software, and computer games specifically. "breaking/glitching/crashing frequently" is normally expected right after launch as well as taking extra months to fix it.
Posted January 03, 2021
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R_M_B: "breaking/glitching/crashing frequently" is normally expected right after launch as well as taking extra months to fix it.
Ah, there we have it.

You appear to have been conditioned by games developers/publishers to believe being sold a broken product at launch is the rule, rather than the exception.

A real shame that so many people now repeat this mantra.
Posted January 03, 2021
We have a different axiolgy for sure.

What you call reasonable purchase decision I call risky investment in promises.
What I call cautious approach to delivery dates and software quality you call developers conditioning.

I'm not convinced and I do not intend to convince you, so we will have to agree to to disagree here.


Well, maybe just one closing sentence from me - we may have different approach to life but we also achieve different results. You seem dissatisfied and rather pessimistic while I'm happy where I'm and optimistic about future.

Could this be an objective evaluation of our different views?
Posted January 03, 2021
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R_M_B: We have a different axiolgy for sure.

What you call reasonable purchase decision I call risky investment in promises.
What I call cautious approach to delivery dates and software quality you call developers conditioning.

I'm not convinced and I do not intend to convince you, so we will have to agree to to disagree here.

Well, maybe just one closing sentence from me - we may have different approach to life but we also achieve different results. You seem dissatisfied and rather pessimistic while I'm happy where I'm and optimistic about future.

Could this be an objective evaluation of our different views?
Risky 'yes' Investment 'not even close', Digital content depreciates in value so quickly yet it's treated by so many as the greatest thing ever probably just me noticing the paid advertisers.
Posted January 04, 2021
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djoxyk: Why you had to waste your money on another game from CDPR after seeing how mediocre and broken all of their games are? even Witcher 3 is still buggy and unfinished, with lackluster physics and world interactions, unbalanced and useless RPG elements.
I would be hyped if CDPR will announce a movie or visual novel game. They are not capable to make anything beyond good graphics and linear story. You say 6 months but that's too generous, I'd say never. They need whole new scripting for AI, rebalancing, new animations for cut interactions, and much more.
Witcher 3 had captivating story and mediocre gameplay. CP 2077 uses same unfinished game engine with same issues. if they never fixed physics and collision in Witcher 3 something tells me they just not capable.

CDPR had to hire real programmers to work on their game engine instead of flushing that money into hype.
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xXJayeDuBXx: Look at you trying to make people think you know something.
do you have problem with that? hurts your fanboy feelings? I wonder how you fanboys justify mediocrity of CDPR games. Witcher 3 still has collision issues, game breaking bugs. In fact my game sessions rarely lasted more than 40-50 minutes because I always hit merchant UI bug where you can't exit merchant screen, stuck in textures without ability to break free or just crashed to desktop without any error. It's been 5 years, 2 DLCs and it is still a mess. And even if CDPR can fix bugs there's still game without physics, without separate textures for loot which is so gross. Even in 20 years old games you had ability to see loot on the ground, pick it up and you will see how it picks up. In Witcher 3 you loot a sword from enemy and it keeps laying on the ground. Or all loot are just sacks - good idea - no need to create object textures and animation for all these things, right? Witcher 3 is the worst shovelware in terms of engine, stability, gameplay, balance and RPG elements. And I can go for hours describing in detail because there's literally nothing done right (maybe except female characters and visuals).
How do you like NPC walking paths and AI in CP2077? These are cut off from Witcher 3, same stupid circling and animations. Or maybe it was great in Witcher 3 and now it is bad in CP 2077 all of a sudden? lol
Posted January 05, 2021
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wayke: It's pretty much the average time for other bad release titles, Beyond that Pirate everything.
After all the amazing numbers on Steam, things are slowing down pretty fast, they really don´t have 6 months, even if they still with a good user frequency.
https://steamcharts.com/app/1091500

I like free stuff, but a rush of free DLCs is not going to help, i mean, not in the improvements side.
Post edited January 05, 2021 by user deleted
Posted January 05, 2021
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wayke: It's pretty much the average time for other bad release titles, Beyond that Pirate everything.
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FTSO: After all the amazing numbers on Steam, things are slowing down pretty fast, they really don´t have 6 months, even if they still with a good user frequency.
https://steamcharts.com/app/1091500

I like free stuff, but a rush of free DLCs is not going to help, i mean, not in the improvements side.
Whoa, it went from 830K+ to less than 114K already, dang.
Post edited January 05, 2021 by Tracido
Posted January 05, 2021
I gave them my eddies, they can keep them. I hope the gonks use'm to make the game what is was supposed to be.

Fucking corpos ruin everything don't they?
Posted January 05, 2021
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xXJayeDuBXx: Look at you trying to make people think you know something.
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djoxyk: do you have problem with that? hurts your fanboy feelings? I wonder how you fanboys justify mediocrity of CDPR games. Witcher 3 still has collision issues, game breaking bugs. In fact my game sessions rarely lasted more than 40-50 minutes because I always hit merchant UI bug where you can't exit merchant screen, stuck in textures without ability to break free or just crashed to desktop without any error. It's been 5 years, 2 DLCs and it is still a mess. And even if CDPR can fix bugs there's still game without physics, without separate textures for loot which is so gross. Even in 20 years old games you had ability to see loot on the ground, pick it up and you will see how it picks up. In Witcher 3 you loot a sword from enemy and it keeps laying on the ground. Or all loot are just sacks - good idea - no need to create object textures and animation for all these things, right? Witcher 3 is the worst shovelware in terms of engine, stability, gameplay, balance and RPG elements. And I can go for hours describing in detail because there's literally nothing done right (maybe except female characters and visuals).
How do you like NPC walking paths and AI in CP2077? These are cut off from Witcher 3, same stupid circling and animations. Or maybe it was great in Witcher 3 and now it is bad in CP 2077 all of a sudden? lol
Since we have programs which we can update games on people's PC's to fix our problems, there should be no need for any of you to rage war against a gaming company that releases a game since 4 weeks ago. So get over with it.

Mommy and daddy won't fix your personal issues.
Post edited January 05, 2021 by VisualBlack
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