I remember that game..

I hope political stuff works for them, but from my experience they dont end up well in game industry, APB had skinhead problem and man it was bad rep, players didnt take it slightly. I would avoid political stuff, I get it they have no choice than go there but they should do it "game industry" style, basically you want to camouflage political stuff as s game. Yeah, thats why I said they should stick with Fiction and Fantasy, stronger its, more political stuff you can do, imho.

I dont know where this Cyberpunk Is political comes from. I played Cyberpunk Tabletop when I was kid and I cant remember much political stuff from the Corebook at least. Corebook itself was just fillied with tons of marketting talk.

I get that Cyberpunk is political by default, stuff like poverty, prostitution, drugs, etc.

This is the very point of a world set in a cyberpunk setting, and CDPR is representing it fantastically.

Like Mike Pondsmith himself said: "Cyberpunk isn't about saving humanity, it's about saving yourself".

I too are not very thrilled by this setting. While science fiction settings are fine for me, I am not all that interested in this world. Pity.

But what probably will kill any chance of me buying and playing Cyberpunk 77 is the multi player mode...

I hate multi player games. I only play single player and every time I made the error to buy a game which supported both, single player and multi player, I was disappointed and annoyed, because the Devs fiddled around with my game changing rules while I play. This owed to the usually small but very loud multi player and PvP community, which constantly yell that some things are too strong/weak and demand changes.

Then, while playing and building a strong character (without cheating, mind you) they go and change the rules. Also MP games often have totally senseless and annoying special rules which are necessary for MP balance. The last game I had this happen with was Stellaris. There are more. So - I will wait at least 1-2 months and follow the forums, wikis and other sources closely to see, if there is a chance I will enjoy this.

I do not hold my breath :(

You should play the original PnP version of the game. My family and I used to play it together nearly every weekend from the moment the kids got home from school till early Saturday morning when the sun was coming up. This, this is nothing close to the dark and gritty we played.

Also, you must not watch very much TV and movies because again, this ain't nothin' compared to what you can see on regular old TV.

But that's my point: I see real world's problems every day. In my free time I of course want to kick back and have some naive fun.

I suspect that I wouldn't like to build a house in night city. Not even in the more luxurious parts, because even there I would be uncomfortable. Maybe in the countryside among the Nomads, they seem at least halfway sane.

But then, of course, I would only drive around the countryside and never approach the city. Which somehow would defeat the purpose of the game.

Let's just hope that CD Project also implemented some more fun, philosophical and lighthearted moments. Maybe there is an AI I can play chess against ;)

The important thing (as I see it) is that the dystopian world must be balanced by other things.

It's easy to create a story so bleak, there is no point to it. Then all that is left is horrible people doing awful things to other horrible people. You need characters you can sympathize with.

Look at the original William Gibson books. If anything, the world is mostly background detail to the characters. The trilogy is pretty close to Noir in a way.

Exactly. I hope that there is also some philosophy and some amiable characters.

I just saw the new gameplay footage and I have to say I was disgusted ;) It's certainly something else than the run of the mill, happy fairy tale fantasy worlds.

But wow, cd project red will have to come up with a really compelling story to get me wading through that dung heap of a dystopian city ;)

Im not sure if they get too heavily into it. Ive always imagined this to be more like "introduction to Cyberpunk". This is after all Cyberpunk's debut and they need to save stuff for sequels. Yeah, Cyberpunk Universe has alot of cool stuff to show, like Roles, Gangs, Districts, Styles etc. But I could be wrong.

fun facts about the sprawl trilogy btw:
- gibson wrote 'neuromancer' on a mechanical typewriter
- he had pretty much zero computer knowledge at the time

Ive actually suggested that CDPR could hire professional Fantasy writer for Witcher 4. Like from Dragonlance series. They have written over 10+ Fantasy Books, so they should have lots of experience.

But as for Cyberpunk 2077. I dont think they need it. Just "reveal" the Universe should be their main focus. We know how CDPR played it when we play the game. Most players has no clue what Cyberpunk is. Stuff like Blade Runner is Cyberpunk keeps coming up all the time for example, when in reality its same as comparing cat to elephant.

Well, another fun fact: when Gibson first saw Blade Runner, he supposedly remarked that the film had captured the overall aesthetics of his books perfectly. LIke, he had an image in his head while writing, and that was it.

Also, cyberpunk is a pretty broad genre. Cyberpunk 2020 (the tabletop rpg) and cp2077 is (mostly) classic 1980's style cyberpunk, but that's not the only variation.

Broad? Wiki says Cyberpunk is "sub-genre" mainly because theres drugs and sex etc. Cyberpunk is sub-genre of science fiction, how I see it. Nothing what includes drugs and sex cant be "broad" genre or then world has reached its own dystopia.

If you are talking about classic cyberpunk, then sure. Genres aren't exclusive all-or-nothing though - a work can have some aspects of one genre and some of another. The idea of the dystopian corporate controlled world is quite common in itself - that's what i mean by it being a broad genre.

For example, more recent works tend to portray computer usage more like how it is now, with the negative and positive aspects of that. Just look at how the Shadowrun setting was updated between 3rd and 4th edition.