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"Pre-Order now" Seriously CDPR? Cyberpunk sure is a good game now after all of the patches. But offering pre order and pre order dlc after what happened before is really damn tone deaf. Makes me think CDPR has not learned a damn thing.
Post edited June 11, 2023 by DrNilsson
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DrNilsson: "Pre-Order now" Seriously CDPR? Cyberpunk sure is a good game now after all of the patches. But offering pre order and pre order dlc after what happened before is really damn tone deaf. Makes me think CDPR has not learned a damn thing.
Yeah, I was actually kind of shocked, they offer pre-order AND that the DLC will be 30.-
That is asking a lot for a DLC to a game that arrived this broken.
Many people expected the DLC to be free as an apology, I didn't. I knew it was gonna be massive and of course that would cost money, but 30 bucks? That is shocking.

Tone-deaf is a good expression, especially considering they are even offering a pretty lame incentive to pre-order.
Yupp, they learned nothing, and even worse, they seem to have completely arrived among the other AAA-publishers pulling a stunt like this.

Where is the company that actually criticized this type of predatory behaviour from other publishers and claimed to do right by gamers?
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DrNilsson: "Pre-Order now" Seriously CDPR? Cyberpunk sure is a good game now after all of the patches. But offering pre order and pre order dlc after what happened before is really damn tone deaf. Makes me think CDPR has not learned a damn thing.
Thats the point, they did, i think the problem was they released in old gen consoles. You are right though, they did fuckup, but they fixed things. What i really dont like is the crunch in the industry, people should not sleep at work, thats bullshit, release when its ready.
Post edited June 11, 2023 by JESUS.896
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The issue with the original CP release was a combination of it being rushed to all hell and people expecting the second coming of Christ in video game form.
It came out 2.5 years ago when it should probably have been delayed until about now to give devs the time they need to deliver a finished product that delivers on all the promises made.
But CDPR has been making an honest effort to address the issues in patches as best they can since then.

I'm actually amazed they held off on DLC for as long as they did and 30 bucks in current year money for a full expansion sounds pretty fair to me considering you're paying 20 for a damn costume in Diablo 4.

While I'm not thrilled about the preorder bonus leveraging FOMO I'm willing to give them a chance on this, assuming fixes for the game keep coming because there's still tons of bugs and issues to be addressed.
Post edited June 11, 2023 by Krawu
I just pre-odered the new DLC because Cyberpunk 2077 is a good game. At release it was a mess for sure but it's come a long ways since then - same as No Man's Sky. I'm sure the DLC will be well worth the $29.99 price tag. The game has modding so of course it will be improved even more long after the Sept 2023 release date.

And if we want CDPR to release more dope games in the future that are moddable then we have to support them. Simple as that. They made a mistake. They've long since made up for it and that should be commended and supported.

Also, after I pre-ordered it they sent me an email that says, "Thank you for believing in us" ... They know their reputation is on the line.
Post edited June 12, 2023 by ThoRn
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ThoRn: I just pre-odered the new DLC because Cyberpunk 2077 is a good game. At release it was a mess for sure but it's come a long ways since then - same as No Man's Sky. I'm sure the DLC will be well worth the $29.99 price tag. The game has modding so of course it will be improved even more long after the Sept 2023 release date.

And if we want CDPR to release more dope games in the future that are moddable then we have to support them. Simple as that. They made a mistake. They've long since made up for it and that should be commended and supported.

Also, after I pre-ordered it they sent me an email that says, "Thank you for believing in us" ... They know their reputation is on the line.
A certain space game also made a huge mistake, made up for it and still releases content for free but whatever.

OP, just don't buy and wait for a discount if you really want to play the DLC I am certainly just going to pass for now, luckily I have other stuff to play.
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Krawu: The issue with the original CP release was a combination of it being rushed to all hell and people expecting the second coming of Christ in video game form.
It came out 2.5 years ago when it should probably have been delayed until about now to give devs the time they need to deliver a finished product that delivers on all the promises made.
But CDPR has been making an honest effort to address the issues in patches as best they can since then.

I'm actually amazed they held off on DLC for as long as they did and 30 bucks in current year money for a full expansion sounds pretty fair to me considering you're paying 20 for a damn costume in Diablo 4.

While I'm not thrilled about the preorder bonus leveraging FOMO I'm willing to give them a chance on this, assuming fixes for the game keep coming because there's still tons of bugs and issues to be addressed.
Just because other people are willing to be damn idiots and pay 20 bucks for a costume in a single player game, that doesn't make it right and other games being horribly exploitative doesn't excuse a too high price-point here.
That approach is exactly why publishers treat us gamers like idiotic walking wallets instead of valued customers.

When will people learn to stop finding excuses and defend any BS publishers pull?

And no, the problem with the original release wasn't the people expecting the second coming of Christ. It was just people expecting that MOST of the things CDPR claimed would be in the release to actually be n the goddamn release. Again, how could you fault players for expecting to get a game that was anything like what was promised?
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Yekul: A certain space game also made a huge mistake, made up for it and still releases content for free but whatever.

OP, just don't buy and wait for a discount if you really want to play the DLC I am certainly just going to pass for now, luckily I have other stuff to play.
Exactly, why should we not hold CDPR to the standards they themselves used to have OR expect less of them than of a small indie developer?
Post edited June 12, 2023 by die-yng
I'm not mad about the 30 Eddies, but I agree.
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Not only "pre-order now", but lose out on game content if you don't.

Seriously, CDPR, screw you, especially after the game's messy launch.
It pisses me off to no end to force players to buy games early so not to miss out on game content, and I don't care how insignificant this pre-order bonus would be. This practice needs to die out and fast. Make a good game, get good reviews, and people will buy your game. Don't pull customers in with exclusive content before reviews hit.

I've sworn off pre-orders ages ago, but I made an exception, bought your game, full price, didn't ask for my money back when it turned out to be a mess, hoping you'd one day fix everything and fulfill your promises. Never again.

This pre-order bonus is just insulting.
Post edited June 12, 2023 by Gotcha
The original game did not deliver what it promised in its trailer (every choices matters, many possible routes development, etc...) even 2.5 years of patches after release, and now CDPR wants USD30 for a DLC (which many would agree should be made free to those early supporters who suffered from all sort of bugs)? Hell no, I would not consider buying the game until the GOTY edition is out, and on sale with a heavy discount (say USD25 or so for the complete content), The Witcher 3 was such a masterpiece, but Cyberpunk did not live up to the expectations....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X2kIfS6fb8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIcTM8WXFjk

The trailers are just so unreal compare to the actual game....
Post edited June 12, 2023 by ingramli
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ingramli: The original game did not deliver what it promised in its trailer (every choices matters, many possible routes development, etc...) even 2.5 years of patches after release, and now CDPR wants USD30 for a DLC (which many would agree should be made free to those early supporters who suffered from all sort of bugs)? Hell no, I would not consider buying the game until the GOTY edition is out, and on sale with a heavy discount (say USD25 or so for the complete content), The Witcher 3 was such a masterpiece, but Cyberpunk did not live up to the expectations....
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The trailers are just so unreal compare to the actual game....
Don't forget Cyberpunk 2077 was originally claimed to have a heavy focus on multiplayer roleplaying, then they said multiplayer would not be available at launch, but would be coming at a later date, and then they just quietly cancelled multiplayer entirely AFTER the game was out and had already made them a ton of money through preorders built on false promises, despite the abysmal state of its half-finished release.

Anyone claiming they should be commended for "fixing" the game is ignoring the fact that a large portion of the promised content was never added, and a lot of the game's systems are fundamentally broken compared to games that CD Projekt was comparing it to during development. Even some games from a decade or two ago offer a better open-world experience than what they managed to do. A lot of the glaring bugs and performance issues may have been addressed, but it's still not the game that was advertised.

And it's not that people had unrealistic expectations for it either, so much as it was that the developers promoted the game for years as being something largely different than what it ended up being, right down to deceptive trailers that were made to look as if they would be representative of actual gameplay. They were pushing it as a top-tier open-world experience that was to push boundaries, when in reality it was in many ways even not on par with many games far pre-dating the start of its development.

It's fine if they want to release a paid expansion at this point, but people should be smarter about not falling for the pre-order scam again. Pre-ordering only enables and encourages unfinished, rushed releases, since publishers already know they've made their profit on a game, giving them little incentive to actually finish it properly. You lose nothing by waiting until after a game has been released to purchase it, and have everything to gain. Not only can you make a more informed buying decision, but if anything is wrong with the game, you will have a much better experience playing it after those problems have been addressed.
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ingramli: The original game did not deliver what it promised in its trailer (every choices matters, many possible routes development, etc...) even 2.5 years of patches after release, and now CDPR wants USD30 for a DLC (which many would agree should be made free to those early supporters who suffered from all sort of bugs)? Hell no, I would not consider buying the game until the GOTY edition is out, and on sale with a heavy discount (say USD25 or so for the complete content), The Witcher 3 was such a masterpiece, but Cyberpunk did not live up to the expectations....
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The trailers are just so unreal compare to the actual game....
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Cryoburner: Don't forget Cyberpunk 2077 was originally claimed to have a heavy focus on multiplayer roleplaying, then they said multiplayer would not be available at launch, but would be coming at a later date, and then they just quietly cancelled multiplayer entirely AFTER the game was out and had already made them a ton of money through preorders built on false promises, despite the abysmal state of its half-finished release.

Anyone claiming they should be commended for "fixing" the game is ignoring the fact that a large portion of the promised content was never added, and a lot of the game's systems are fundamentally broken compared to games that CD Projekt was comparing it to during development. Even some games from a decade or two ago offer a better open-world experience than what they managed to do. A lot of the glaring bugs and performance issues may have been addressed, but it's still not the game that was advertised.

And it's not that people had unrealistic expectations for it either, so much as it was that the developers promoted the game for years as being something largely different than what it ended up being, right down to deceptive trailers that were made to look as if they would be representative of actual gameplay. They were pushing it as a top-tier open-world experience that was to push boundaries, when in reality it was in many ways even not on par with many games far pre-dating the start of its development.

It's fine if they want to release a paid expansion at this point, but people should be smarter about not falling for the pre-order scam again. Pre-ordering only enables and encourages unfinished, rushed releases, since publishers already know they've made their profit on a game, giving them little incentive to actually finish it properly. You lose nothing by waiting until after a game has been released to purchase it, and have everything to gain. Not only can you make a more informed buying decision, but if anything is wrong with the game, you will have a much better experience playing it after those problems have been addressed.
Pre-order proved itself not a viable business model because of greed. The original intention (give the devs who are short on fund upfront to finish the game) was good, but that honor system was abused, just like many others.

Normally it is fine for devs to release paid DLC, but I have a feeling that CDPR should have its devs to focus on improving the base game (taking an example, the Night City' NPC are still so lifeless, very limited interaction) as it is still under-delivered long after release, seriously, I missed the good old days in 1990s where most games are released with few bugs, full features.....
Post edited June 13, 2023 by ingramli
I'm not forgetting all of the things that were promised to be in the game before it released and now, three years later, still aren't in the game.

Wall running and other combat aspects, a "living city," random car battles, better police A.I., dynamic weather, gang rivalries, street cred, etc etc.

Instead of working to add what was promised, hyped or whatever they worked on a DLC they not only want you to pay for they want you to buy before it's even been released.

CD Projekt Red will have to do a hell of a lot to earn my hard earned money again.
Anyone looking to pick this up (or play the base game after the DLC drops) had better check this out first:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKTNAEz9PAQ

I read from some of the comments on the video that the extra required horsepower is needed for the new features: drive-by shooting/swordplay, dynamic weather, greater NPC interactions...

Nah, I'm not buying it.

GTA 5 had all of this in the base game 10 years ago. The extra horsepower is needed for the graphics, and the graphics alone. (Okay, maybe there's some unoptimization as well.)

If you haven't already you should probably download the installer for CP2077 right now because in a few months the game might be out of reach (technically, of course) for a lot of players.