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lace_gardenia: Oh, who was banned then?
I was. By your request.

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lace_gardenia: Somehow I doubt that was the motivation given.
To be honest - now, after the ban, I don't give a shit about your motivation. I tried to kept it all civic, but no, you feminist nazi crowd do not accept any voice that does not agree with your high ideas of progressivism.

Want us to kneel and beg you for forgiveness? This will NEVER happen.
Post edited March 14, 2020 by Yunipuma
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lace_gardenia: Oh, who was banned then?
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Yunipuma: I was. By your request.

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lace_gardenia: Somehow I doubt that was the motivation given.
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Yunipuma: To be honest - now, after the ban, I don't give a shit about your motivation. I tried to kept it all civic, but no, you feminist nazi crowd do not accept any voice that does not agree with your high ideas of progressivism.

Want us to kneel and beg you for forgiveness? This will NEVER happen.
Dude, you don't sound like you are not giving a shit. I mean, maybe you don't, but the impression is the opposite. If I was lace_gardenia, I'd be gloating right now. Just a little bit though, I mean, it's still internet, however ... *gloat gloat gloat*
Post edited March 14, 2020 by altk
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Yunipuma: I was. By your request.

To be honest - now, after the ban, I don't give a shit about your motivation. I tried to kept it all civic, but no, you feminist nazi crowd do not accept any voice that does not agree with your high ideas of progressivism.

Want us to kneel and beg you for forgiveness? This will NEVER happen.
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altk: Dude, you don't sound like you are not giving a shit. I mean, maybe you don't, but the impression is the opposite. If I was lace_gardenia, I'd be gloating right now. Just a little bit though, I mean, it's still internet, however ... *gloat gloat gloat*
Well, I said I do not give a shit about her MOTIVATION, but I am very concerned about the CONSEQUENCES of her "motivation." Yes, she can gloats all the time she wants, but I shall not be a civic interlocutor anymore.
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altk: Dude, you don't sound like you are not giving a shit. I mean, maybe you don't, but the impression is the opposite. If I was lace_gardenia, I'd be gloating right now. Just a little bit though, I mean, it's still internet, however ... *gloat gloat gloat*
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Yunipuma: Well, I said I do not give a shit about her MOTIVATION, but I am very concerned about the CONSEQUENCES of her "motivation." Yes, she can gloats all the time she wants, but I shall not be a civic interlocutor anymore.
I think you mean to say civil.

Btw, I just read up on V, so you'll be able to fully customise it. What's the point of arguing about the visual aspects?
Post edited March 14, 2020 by altk
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Yunipuma: Well, I said I do not give a shit about her MOTIVATION, but I am very concerned about the CONSEQUENCES of her "motivation." Yes, she can gloats all the time she wants, but I shall not be a civic interlocutor anymore.
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altk: I think you mean to say civil.

Btw, I just read up on V, so you'll be able to fully customise it. What's the point of arguing about the visual aspects?
Yes, I meant civil. English is not my native language.

And I was responding to this passage, not the V's customization per se:
lace_gardenia: It isn't racist, but white hetero guys are such thin-skinned snowflakes and easily triggered by things not pandering to them..
Hey forum reactionaries, did i do that right? I tried to use all your favorite terms :)

About V's customization - we do not Know what we can customize at CURRENT build, because we were shown only old builds of the game. So the whole customization point is moot right now.
Post edited March 14, 2020 by Yunipuma
What the **** happened, Marcin? I don't even know if there will be any white people in this WOKE game. All I can see is black bulls and trann.ies. I would bet there will be ped.os included. Enough is enough! We won't accept this agenda anyway, so why waste resources? Retake control of your company, man. It is serious. You just alienate normal gamer and normal people from your games and company in general, and your target audience (LGBT+) will not buy this game, they don't play, and you know it. You hired too many freaks. Why? They only care about one thing – propaganda. How can't you see that? DO SOMETHING. I don't say ban all minorities, but letting them do anything they want... it's just the beginning of the collapse. And do something about your Twitter admins. They only push LGBT propaganda. I would be ashamed, but they are not :/

I think you will ban this (admins are woke far leftists), but I just wanted to say something to let you and other gamers know that people care, and we are many.
Post edited March 14, 2020 by ivanasw
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xgribbelfix: How is it racist if some people just want to see different designs of the main character? Probably worded it wrong, but still. It doesn't even matter how this V looks like since we can just create our own version.
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lace_gardenia: It isn't racist, but white hetero guys are such thin-skinned snowflakes and easily triggered by things not pandering to them..
Don't go there... Stop generalizing. I am a "white hetero guy" and not "triggered". I just don't get why there is such an outrage again over this matter.

They designed another female V, that's it. You either like it or don't or just don't mind it. I don't mind it, as i know that i will just design my own character.
Post edited March 15, 2020 by xgribbelfix
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Yunipuma: About V's customization - we do not Know what we can customize at CURRENT build, because we were shown only old builds of the game. So the whole customization point is moot right now.
I don't think you put 500 people to work for years just to alienate a large part of your customer base that cannot identify with a protagonist which is not of the same gender (appearance) like the player.
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ivanasw: What the **** happened, Marcin? I don't even know if there will be any white people in this WOKE game. All I can see is black bulls and trann.ies. I would bet there will be ped.os included. Enough is enough! We won't accept this agenda anyway, so why waste resources? Retake control of your company, man. It is serious. You just alienate normal gamer and normal people from your games and company in general, and your target audience (LGBT+) will not buy this game, they don't play, and you know it. You hired too many freaks. Why? They only care about one thing – propaganda. How can't you see that? DO SOMETHING. I don't say ban all minorities, but letting them do anything they want... it's just the beginning of the collapse. And do something about your Twitter admins. They only push LGBT propaganda. I would be ashamed, but they are not :/

I think you will ban this (admins are woke far leftists), but I just wanted to say something to let you and other gamers know that people care, and we are many.
But, don't you think the future will be more mixed than today? People migrate, cultures evolve .. i'm sure you are now where you are exactly because of some migrations long time in the past.

For me personally, it's more of a problem to immerse into the game if I can't customize the character fully to how i want it to be (including gender), than what the environment is going to look like. Since it's a role-playing game I assume there is going to be a great deal of freedom in how you approach your character creation. But, everything beyond that .. it's the authors freedom (admittedly somewhat biased to what can, or cannot be sold).
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Yunipuma: About V's customization - we do not Know what we can customize at CURRENT build, because we were shown only old builds of the game. So the whole customization point is moot right now.
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altk: I don't think you put 500 people to work for years just to alienate a large part of your customer base that cannot identify with a protagonist which is not of the same gender (appearance) like the player.
I'm sure Witcher games had more than 500 people worked on them. Wasn't really the problem. For women and non-whites too.
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altk: I don't think you put 500 people to work for years just to alienate a large part of your customer base that cannot identify with a protagonist which is not of the same gender (appearance) like the player.
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LootHunter: I'm sure Witcher games had more than 500 people worked on them. Wasn't really the problem. For women and non-whites too.
Yeah, but women and non-white people in the West/Europe had to traditionally cope with that (except in the world of RPGs). How much of the male gaming population that played the Witcher series would be able to make a switch?
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LootHunter: I'm sure Witcher games had more than 500 people worked on them. Wasn't really the problem. For women and non-whites too.
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altk: Yeah, but women and non-white people in the West/Europe had to traditionally cope with that (except in the world of RPGs). How much of the male gaming population that played the Witcher series would be able to make a switch?
What are you talking about? Cyberpunk 2077 will have customizable protagonist. No one would have to switch anything.

It's just PR department that make demos with white dude for major audience and black girl for SJW press. In the game you will decide your avatar appearance.

Also, most gamers don't care about sex or skin color of protagonist anyway.
Post edited March 15, 2020 by LootHunter
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LootHunter: Also, most gamers don't care about sex or skin color of protagonist anyway.
Most people DO care - because they want their character to be like they want it to be.
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altk: Yeah, but women and non-white people in the West/Europe had to traditionally cope with that (except in the world of RPGs). How much of the male gaming population that played the Witcher series would be able to make a switch?
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LootHunter: What are you talking about? Cyberpunk 2077 will have customizable protagonist. No one would have to switch anything.

It's just PR department that make demos with white dude for major audience and black girl for SJW press. In the game you will decide your avatar appearance.

Also, most gamers don't care about sex or skin color of protagonist anyway.
True, but you were mentioning Witcher which did not have a customisable protagonist. I am only talking about Cyberpunk 2077 in the context of this thread which has some people complaining about what they think is a political agenda taking over the development of the game.

As for whether, or not most gamers care about question of sex and race of protagonist, I doubt you are right. Of course, with customisable heroine, or a hero, much of this is just empty waffle.
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altk: Yeah, but women and non-white people in the West/Europe had to traditionally cope with that (except in the world of RPGs). How much of the male gaming population that played the Witcher series would be able to make a switch?
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LootHunter: What are you talking about? Cyberpunk 2077 will have customizable protagonist. No one would have to switch anything.

It's just PR department that make demos with white dude for major audience and black girl for SJW press. In the game you will decide your avatar appearance.

Also, most gamers don't care about sex or skin color of protagonist anyway.
... besides don't take my only chance of joining a discussion which contains words such as: SJW, triggered, (anti-)woke and my favourite -- snowflakes! You know, some of us are not on Facebook, or Twitter, or Discord, or whatever else ... I mean, I'm missing out on a whole lotta things :-P
Post edited March 15, 2020 by altk
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LootHunter: Also, most gamers don't care about sex or skin color of protagonist anyway.
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Yunipuma: Most people DO care - because they want their character to be like they want it to be.
And if they can't make their character like they want? Are you telling me all games without character customization are unpopular?
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altk: ... besides don't take my only chance of joining a discussion which contains words such as: SJW,woke and my favourite -- snowflakes!
And how else I'm supposed to call "journalists" (quote marks intentional) that praise new appearance of V in demo simply for being non-white?
Post edited March 15, 2020 by LootHunter